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A possible closer site could be "Maiao iti", but I was unable to confirm a local sunrise when the Sabbath begins in Israel using the tools mentioned.
Brother, there is no natural reason for the IDL site. It can fall literally anywhere on Earth! Set is the IDL by a common shared count of days by everyone with the week. Israel wanted to change it because where it is doesn't make sense to them. They wanted to change it to fall on Israel, but because God scattered the Jews all over the world and they continued their tradition of keeping the Sabbath, no one can change the current site of the IDL without rebellion from some Jewish community around the world who has kept the Sabbath from the beginning. This understanding began with the realization that God capped the end of the first day with a "morning" and not an "evening".no mention of the man made IDL.
Brother, there is no natural reason for the IDL site. It can fall literally anywhere on Earth! Set is the IDL by a common shared count of days by everyone with the week. Israel wanted to change it because where it is doesn't make sense to them. They wanted to change it to fall on Israel, but because God scattered the Jews all over the world and they continued their tradition of keeping the Sabbath, no one can change the current site of the IDL without rebellion from some Jewish community around the world who has kept the Sabbath from the beginning. This understanding began with the realization that God capped the end of the first day with a "morning" and not an "evening".
Brother, thanks for the website. Based on the information on this new website about sunrise time, I have found a new island closer. Rekareka with a sunrise just one minute before sunset in Israel.
Brother, what I'm saying is that God set the international Date Line site when He taught Adam to count the days with the week in Eden. God could have been anywhere on the earth when He did this, but because He was in Eden, set was the International Date Line site in Eden and preserved by our tradition of counting the days with the week from the beginning.So you will concede that sunrise, at any given point on the earth, has nothing to do with some arbitrary line, created in the imagination of man; let alone that arbitrary line having any relevance to the location of Eden?
Brother, thanks for the website. Based on the information on this new website about sunrise time, I have found a new island closer. Rekareka with a sunrise just one minute before sunset in Israel.
Brother, what I'm saying is that God set the international Date Line site
Brother, I'm suggesting the Hebrews did not need an extended day to obey the rule of eating the Passover the same day it's offered because they knew what a day was before they were taught to remember the Sabbath in Israel that later confused them about what a day was.How about Egypt? Are you suggesting that all of Israel broke the first Pesach?
The Sabbath is an example of progressive revelation, where God is teaching us slowly the truth of the Sabbath until we fully understand it, in order to prepare those who are alive in the soon return of Jesus. This is clear from my church history: while having a prophetess in our church God showed us patience. Our church kept the Sabbath from 6 to 6 pm for 8 years prior to correcting the meaning of “evening” to sunset by reading the word of God. Later God confirmed through our prophetess what we found in His word and added that we would understand more later. Moses kept the Sabbath known from the beginning; a Sabbath revealed in creation week from morning to morning in which the word of God remained silent until the story of manna because God’s plan was to teach us to keep the Sabbath as He told Israel: in the Eden-time-zone as an example for us to understand later. The Sabbath shows God’s unbending grip on His word despite the misunderstanding by the humans God used to convey His truths.Are you suggesting that Israel, along with Moses, started breaking the Sabbath at Mount Sinai? If not, how did they know what time the sun was coming up in Israel?
Brother, I'm suggesting the Hebrews did not need an extended day to obey the rule of eating the Passover the same day it's offered because they knew what a day was before they were taught to remember the Sabbath in Israel that later confused them about what a day was.
The meat of their fellowship offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the day it is offered; they must leave none of it till morning. (Leviticus 7:15 NIV)
They knew what a day was from the beginning because they were not yet taught to remember the Sabbath in Israel that later confused them about what a day was.
They now think they need two days to do what God said to do in one. They eat the Passover on the 15th of Nissan while offering the meat on the prior supposed day of the 14th of Nissan. The only way to eat the meat on the day it is offered is if the day is from morning to morning and not from evening to evening as they remember the Sabbath.
The meat of their fellowship offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the day it is offered; they must leave none of it till morning. (Leviticus 7:15 NIV)
Brother, they end the day the same, on a "morning". I don't have to do any heavy lifting here because God has done it for me. You fell into God's plan to acknowledge that you see it in one passage before God's word convinces you with another passage.This has nothing to do with Pesach nor Hag Matzot.
Brother, they end the day the same, on a "morning". I don't have to do any heavy lifting here because God has done it for me. You fell into God's plan to acknowledge that you see it in one passage before God's word convinces you with another passage.
The meat of their fellowship offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the day it is offered; they must leave none of it till morning. (Leviticus 7:15 NIV)
The end of a day above is the same as the end of a day below.
Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. (Exodus 12:10 NIV)
The next passage is from a Rabbi trying to make since of it.
A Long Day
Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.” In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.
Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th. (Rabbi Yehuda Shurpin)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, it depends whether you are talking about a local day in Israel or a day of Eden remembered in Israel. If you are talking about when a day begins in Eden, yes, the corresponding time in Israel is "evening", but in Eden it's "morning". Remembered is the Sabbath in Israel on the Eden-Seventh-day that in Israel falls from the middle of the six-day to the middle of the seventh-day. Days in Israel are from "morning" to "morning" and remembered is the Sabbath 10 hours earlier than the local seventh day. The reason is that set were the days by God in the creation week from "morning" to "morning".the Shabbat begins on the ninth day at evening. At evening is when the ninth day ends, and the tenth day begins.
Brother, it depends whether you are talking about a local day in Israel or a day of Eden remembered in Israel.
Brother, other passages in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers say "between the evenings" and not just a simple "evening" as you found it in Deuteronomy. What time of day did Jesus die as our Passover sacrifice?No it doesn't.
Brother, other passages in Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers say "between the evenings" and not just a simple "evening" as you found it in Deuteronomy. What time of day did Jesus die as our Passover sacrifice?
Brother, I read the Deuteronomy passage as a brief chronological summery that skips the details because it speaks of "the appointed time of your going forth from Egypt" as also taking place in the evening. That took place well after the "evening" just like the sacrifice takes place well before the evening. During the night did death not come into the house of those with blood in their door posts and after the death of the son of the Pharaoh did he then let the Israelite go. The context is showing an in precise accounting, a chronological summary. So we go back to the rule that only a "morning" to "morning" weekday can fulfill. Jesus died during the light as our Passover sacrifice eaten during the night.Before sunset is between the evenings. Evening comes after sun has set. The Bible says what it says.
Brother, I read the Deuteronomy passage as a brief chronological summery that skips the details because it speaks of "the appointed time of your going forth from Egypt" as also taking place in the evening.
just like the sacrifice takes place well before the evening.
Brother, in the case of the Passover offering that represents Jesus, the offering was His death. Do you also force God to mean "evening" when He wrote "morning"? God could have said "evening" as He did in Leviticus, but He chose to say "morning" and not "evening" to cap the end of the first day because He is saying something different here than what He said in Leviticus. He is saying the days of creation week end in a "morning" because they begin in a "morning". "Evening" falls in the middle of the days of creation week separating the day-half from the night-half of the first day.I asked you before if you offer your dinner guests raw bloody meat; or do you prepare it and offer it at the table. It was a question to be seriously considered. You didn't answer. Perhaps you can answer this question: Is a fire offering complete at slaughter; or is putting it on the fire, part of the process of the offering?
Brother, in the case of the Passover offering that represents Jesus, the offering was His death. Do you also force God to mean "evening" when He wrote "morning"? God could have said "evening" as He did in Leviticus
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