What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

What the Bible condemns, Jesus may not.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

What the Bible condemns, Jesus may not.

How merciful our God is indeed! But we should do our best to "go and sin no more"

 

[Ohioprof]

I'm a guy! ty though. (I can see how one would see my name as girly..)

Oops. My bad. I apologize. I did not look carefully to see that you are male. But my comment still applies. LOL.

 

[Catherineanne]

What the Bible condemns, Jesus may not.

Thank God for that!

There is not one person on earth who can escape the wrath of Scripture.

 

[Catherineanne]

How merciful our God is indeed! But we should do our best to "go and sin no more"

We are indeed told to 'go and sin no more'. This is good and honourable behaviour.

We are not, however, told to 'go and tell other people to sin no more'. This is neither good nor honourable behaviour.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

We are indeed told to 'go and sin no more'. This is good and honourable behaviour.

We are not, however, told to 'go and tell other people to sin no more'. This is neither good nor honourable behaviour.

I think we are if they also claim to follow Christ! The lost don't care really about "sin" so we shouldn't shove it down their throats, but to our brothers and sisters, this command is as important to them as it is to us!

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Thank God for that!

There is not one person on earth who can escape the wrath of Scripture.

Indeed, the "law" brings death. That isn't to say it doesn't contain useful information on how we should live and useful information on how to obtain eternal life.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Jesus surely does. Jesus is God, Jesus is the Word of God.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:1, John 1:14

The Word was spoken out of the mouth of God before the Word was given a body.

God does not contradict Himself, neither is He mocked. (see Galatians 6:7)

What the Bible condemns, Jesus may not.

 

[IamRedeemed]

The Bible does not condemn God's intended use for our bodies.
What God condemns is ALL forms of MISUSE,
no matter what one's sexual desire is.

The bible condemns the sin of heterosexuality in hundreds of places

 

[IamRedeemed]

Before one can "recover" one must acknowledge what God has called sin,
and surrender that to the work of the Holy Spirit. But one cannot lobby
politically to make their sin "legal" and then expect God to condone it.
It doesn't work that way. Nor will anyone who does that be delivered
or encounter the road of "recovery".

Yes. They are the sins of mankind.

A Christian is like a recovering alcoholic. We can never claim to be free from sin, just recovering from it.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Absolutely.

Hebrews 10:26-31 says:

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Here it is in the Amplified Version:

For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. [There is nothing left for us then] but a kind of awful and fearful prospect and expectation of divine judgment and the fury of burning wrath and indignation which will consume those who put themselves in opposition [to God].


Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 10:26-31;&version=45;#cen-AMP-30161C
For we know Him Who said, Vengeance is Mine [retribution and the meting out of full justice rest with Me]; I will repay [I will exact the compensation], says the Lord. And again, The Lord will judge and determine and solve and settle the cause and the cases of His people. It is a fearful (formidable and terrible) thing to incur the divine penalties and be cast into the hands of the living God!

How merciful our God is indeed! But we should do our best to "go and sin no more"

 

[OllieFranz]

I think we are if they also claim to follow Christ! The lost don't care really about "sin" so we shouldn't shove it down their throats, but to our brothers and sisters, this command is as important to them as it is to us!

Actually, it is just the opposite. We are to preach the evangel ("Good Message" or "Good News") to the lost, showing them that not only can the Law not save anyone, but by the Law we are all deserving of nothing other than death, but that Jesus provides the answer, and that through His Grace.

But, while Christians are certainly to encourage one another and together we are to study the scriptures and grow in grace and learning, we are specifically commanded not to judge one another.

 

[Ohioprof]

The Bible does not condemn God's intended use for our bodies.
What God condemns is ALL forms of MISUSE,
no matter what one's sexual desire is.

Loving our spouses is certainly not "misuse" of anything. And we marry out of love, not sexual desire. You don't have to marry to have sex. Marriage is a lifelong love commitment.

 

[Ohioprof]

Absolutely.

Hebrews 10:26-31 says:

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Here it is in the Amplified Version:

For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. [There is nothing left for us then] but a kind of awful and fearful prospect and expectation of divine judgment and the fury of burning wrath and indignation which will consume those who put themselves in opposition [to God].


Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 10:26-31;&version=45;#cen-AMP-30161C
For we know Him Who said, Vengeance is Mine [retribution and the meting out of full justice rest with Me]; I will repay [I will exact the compensation], says the Lord. And again, The Lord will judge and determine and solve and settle the cause and the cases of His people. It is a fearful (formidable and terrible) thing to incur the divine penalties and be cast into the hands of the living God!

I have no worries that God will judge me negatively. I don't believe in that.

 

[Catholicon]

The Bible does not condemn God's intended use for our bodies.
What God condemns is ALL forms of MISUSE,
no matter what one's sexual desire is.

A loving relationship IS NOT misuse.

 

[TexasSky]

A loving relationship IS NOT misuse.

I suspect that they are referring, specifically, to certain things that were published in the report of John Diggs, M.D., especially in regards to sodomy.

Diggs research found that in 75% of white gay males claimed to have more than 100 male sex partners, 15 % claimed to have between 100 to 249, 17% claimed to have 250-499; 15% claimed to have 500-999; and 28% claimed to have more than 1,000 sex partners in their lifetime.

Another report showed that 93% of lesbians reported they were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 sex partners in their lifetime.

So - one "abuse of the body" would be promiscuity. I think though, that should come off the table in the discussion because marriage would seem to change that result.


Next was the higher risk to physical health. Sodomy is a dangerous health practice. Beyond the generally higher risk of STD's in the homosexual community, the fact that anal tears risk introducing fecal matter into the blood system or that fecal matter entering the urinary tract significantly increases the risk of certain diseases, and you have "abuse of the body" in relation to that particular sexual activity.

Added to that simple fact is that the risk of such injuries is higher because of the physical design of the human body. A female reproductive area has lubrication glands, the anus does not. Thus, more friction is involved. This also increases STD risk as friction will damage condoms, and artificial lubricants can damage condoms.

The vaginia is created in such a way as to allow sexual activity without extreme stress on muscular tissue. Sodomy requires forcing muscles to function in manners that are totally different from their biological design, which increases the risk of trauma, stretching, and tearing. This results in issues on contenance and containment of fecal material.

The vaginia is equipped with a higher concentration of immune defenses. The rectum has a single cell layer, making it much more likely for infection to reach the blood system.

In regards to STD's. The highest presentation of syphilis is among homosexuals and bisexuals. The rate at which homosexuals present with these diseases is 3 to 4 times higher than among heterosexuals. This is probably related to promiscuity rates.

Since sodomy is considered to be most prominent among the homosexual male community, homosexual sex is viewed to be an abuse of the body, in contradiction to God's word.

However, all of that said - - - -I'll say this before others jump in to say it ----- heterosexuals who are promiscuous engage in highly at risk behaviors ALSO.

They are just (usually) different at risk behaviors.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The bible condemns the sin of heterosexuality in hundreds of places

Now that is an obtuse statement if I ever saw one. Heterosexuality is a normal state of everyone...at least at birth.

God instructs us that sex belongs within marriage. Outside of it is sin.

 

[Floatingaxe]

We are indeed told to 'go and sin no more'. This is good and honourable behaviour.

We are not, however, told to 'go and tell other people to sin no more'. This is neither good nor honourable behaviour.

What, in heaven's name, is the sin in exhorting our brethren? It is the honourable thing to do--it honours God!

 

[IamRedeemed]

A loving relationship which is inclusive of sexual relations outside of marriage
as prescribed by God, not laws of man, for one is fornication no matter who does it.

Secondly, our bodies are a living testament that what God has declared
detestable and abominable in His sight and dishonoring to our own bodies
regarding our use of them for sexual relationships with the same sex
is indeed the absolute truth.

If "orientation" was an option in the eyes of God, He
a) would have spoken of gay/bi and transgender marriage in a positive light
and
b) would have given us alternative bodies to use as we wish

A loving relationship IS NOT misuse.

 

[OllieFranz]

You're just building a house of cards. The bible does condemn the sin of homosexuality in various places. It would behoove you to study the Word of God with the view to knowing God, rather than fulfilling your agenda.

I have no agenda. I am a conservative Christian, and when I was saved, I chose to accept that the Scriptures, in their original manuscripts, were God-breathed, and profitable for for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)

I believe in reading the scriptures naturally. This means treating them as literally as possible, but recognizing poetic forms (such as similies and metaphors). Whenever there is any question about the intent of a verse, I ask how the original readers would have understood it. I also pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. Sometimes, in order to understand how the original readers would have understood a passage, it is necessary to examine other works written in the same culture and at the same time, or to read commentaries written as close in time to the scripture as possible, or to examine the archeological evidence.

I believed, as I had been taught, that the Bible condemns homosexuality, right up until I started studying what the Bible actually says, rather than what other people told me it said. It was the Bible, and the Holy Spirit that convinced me that while a certain action was forbidden to the Jews, and while fornication, adultery, and incest are wrong whether the other person is male or female, the Bible is deliberately silent on all private physical relations within a marriage covenant, and that covenants between God's people are blessed even when they are the same gender.