What proof would you need? (2)

jpcedotal · Feb 3, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
Just like He does all the children who die in infancy you mean?

And are, by grace, allowed to go directly to Him instead of having to face a world that only wants to destroy everything that is good and righteous?

We all live in a sinful world by our own making...and that is the point God is trying to make. Christians don't get a free ride here on earth. We suffer the same pains and hurts and unfairness that everyone else faces...and still we point toward God.

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
If it makes you happy to know that none of your thoughts is your own, fine.

Tell that to those who have called me and my church 'backwater', chief.

I get it either way.

If I espouse basic doctrine, I'm 'brainwashed' or 'indoctrinated'; and if I freethink, then I'm 'backwater' or 'cultish'.

So don't think for one moment I'm going to take your point with anything other than a grain of salt.

It's not what we say that counts with you guys, it's what we are.

Mr Strawberry · Feb 3, 2012

jpcedotal said:
And are, by grace, allowed to go directly to Him instead of having to face a world that only wants to destroy everything that is good and righteous?

We all live in a sinful world by our own making...and that is the point God is trying to make. Christians don't get a free ride here on earth. We suffer the same pains and hurts and unfairness that everyone else faces...and still we point toward God.

Oh, is there a specific age in childhood at which one stops getting a free ride to heaven? What age is that?

begt · Feb 3, 2012

jpcedotal said:
That's is the next step in the evolution worldview. Once an intelligent being can no longer be ignored as the "force" behind it all, instead of turning to God, atheists will turn to the stars.

I'm not sure you understand what evolution is.

Evolution deals with the diversity of life, not its origin. Evolution is not a world-view. Abiogenesis is the best explanation for the origin of life on earth, evolution occured after life started.

Mr Strawberry · Feb 3, 2012

AV1611VET said:
Tell that to those who have called me and my church 'backwater', chief.

I get it either way.

If I espouse basic doctrine, I'm 'brainwashed' or 'indoctrinated'; and if I freethink, then I'm 'backwater' or 'cultish'.

So don't think for one moment I'm going to take your point with anything other than a grain of salt.

It's not what we say that counts with you guys, it's what we are.

Well, I can understand how difficult it must be when you find yourself in a position where the ideas of the greatest minds in history are denied you. One isn't left with much to play with.

I can't really judge you on what you are. I don't know what you are. I can only see what you post/say.

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

begt said:
Depends on how you define godlike. I'm sure that if any extraterrestrials were able to travel to our planet we'd regard them as godlike (very advanced technology-wise).

Cute how you Arab-phoned that.

Remember saying this?

begt said:
If there was a god he would perhaps consider revealing himself on CNN or something.

Somehow "god" got changed to "godlike" after I addressed your point, didn't it?

Mr Strawberry · Feb 3, 2012

AV1611VET said:
No, it's not -- let me correct you with basic doctrine.

I said:

The Tribulation period will be a 7-year period, starting with the Rapture and ending with Armageddon.

The first 3½ years will consist of peace, but the second half will consist of the Antichrist breaking his peace-pact with Israel and mandating the Mark of the Beast.

3½ years later, Jesus will show up and put an end to it all.

I see. In the meantime I suppose you don't have any indications of when the Antichrist is planning to show up? In years, I mean.

jpcedotal · Feb 3, 2012

begt said:
First, I would try to determine who this character was. If it truly was Jesus I'd ask where he had been all these years, in hiding and expecting others believe he existed.

I'd ask if he approved of everything in the old testament and why he sacrificed himself on the cross and "died for our sins" (twisted evil stuff). I wouldnt call such a character "lord".

Of course this will never happen but assuming it would.

He did it for you and me. He saves us from this world and from ourselves. The world itself is proof of what happens when man is left to his own devices and wisdom.

You wanna see the path of total atheism? Look around. The world is not getting better. For every one step forward man makes in technology and medicine, we take 10 back the overall morality in the world.

Atheism and all non-Christian belief systems will eventually destroy the world, both morally and physically...this is fact.

For Christians, we know that before this happens, Jesus is coming back.

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

Greg1234 said:
I wonder where bimbo is. Oh where oh where oh where is bimbo? Where can bimbo be?

Picking strawberries?

begt · Feb 3, 2012

jpcedotal said:
And are, by grace, allowed to go directly to Him instead of having to face a world that only wants to destroy everything that is good and righteous?

You can't say that its fair for small children in AIDS ridden Africa to die undernourished in horrendous circumstances- because of diarrhea- just because they get to heaven faster.

That's not right. Not right at all. There's nothing merciful about that.

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
Is associating science with satan within forum rules?

What? you got something against Satan being a scientist?

jpcedotal · Feb 3, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
Oh, is there a specific age in childhood at which one stops getting a free ride to heaven? What age is that?

I think it is different for each individual. My brother believes it may even be as old as 30 because it gives the individual time to be in the world on his own...the the person one is going to be is fully developed around this age.

For me, it was around 12 but i really can't give you an actual experience. I can just look back and see where my own decisions started directly affecting my personal relationship with God. I did not take Jesus as my Lord and Savoir till my early 20's though.

Mr Strawberry · Feb 3, 2012

AV1611VET said:
What? you got something against Satan being a scientist?

I know for you that is the ultimate insult. I'm just curious as to where the forum rules stand on insults like that. It must be breaking one somewhere.

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
I see. In the meantime I suppose you don't have any indications of when the Antichrist is planning to show up? In years, I mean.

My friend, no offense, your lack of knowledge of even basic doctrine is quite telling; and you have no idea what you're arguing against, do you?

You're just using us as a springboard to vent pent-up frustration, aren't you?

As they say in Euchre: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

begt · Feb 3, 2012

jpcedotal said:
He did it for you and me. He saves us from this world and from ourselves. The world itself is proof of what happens when man is left to his own devices and wisdom.

You wanna see the path of total atheism? Look around. The world is not getting better. For every one step forward man makes in technology and medicine, we take 10 back the overall morality in the world.

Atheism and all non-Christian belief systems will eventually destroy the world, both morally and physically...this is fact.

For Christians, we know that before this happens, Jesus is coming back.

The world is in a bad state in many ways certainly. But there is still hope. The number of poor people in the world has been reduced drastically since 1990, as has the number of armed conflicts. In the early 1990's there were many wars going on in Africa simultaneously; now there's only a handful.

The Arab spring is still not over. We've seen many dictatorships crumble over the last year. Things are even looking up in Russia

**

The more secular a country is the more peaceful it is (you can look it up). About 10% of the American population are atheists, but they only make up less than 0.25% of the prison population!

Mr Strawberry · Feb 3, 2012

AV1611VET said:
My friend, no offense, your lack of knowledge of even basic doctrine is quite telling; and you have no idea what you're arguing against, do you?

You're just using us as a springboard to vent pent-up frustration, aren't you?

As they say in Euchre: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

That would be a NO then.

jpcedotal · Feb 3, 2012

begt said:
You can't say that its fair for small children in AIDS ridden Africa to die undernourished in horrendous circumstances- because of diarrhea- just because they get to heaven faster.

That's not right. Not right at all. There's nothing merciful about that.

God never promises fairness. He allows our sins to shape the world to show us that we are not the answer, HE is. Those children in Africa and children here in the US and children everywhere live in a sinful world...THAT'S where the hurt come from, not from God...from ourselves. When you look at those children or any children with problems or diseases, tell yourself that it is our fault...ALL of ours that that little girl or boy is hurting today...not God's.

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

jpcedotal said:
I think it is different for each individual.

Quite correct.

It's called the Age of Accountability, and it varies with each individual, depending on their circumstances -- (exposure to the Gospel, mental aptitude, etc.).

AV1611VET · Feb 3, 2012

Mr Strawberry said:
I know for you that is the ultimate insult. I'm just curious as to where the forum rules stand on insults like that. It must be breaking one somewhere.

Oh, my.

I refer to someone as a 'scientist', and you think I should be moderated?

Stop the press!

jpcedotal · Feb 3, 2012

begt said:
The world is in a bad state in many ways certainly. But there is still hope. The number of poor people in the world has been reduced drastically since 1990, as has the number of armed conflicts. In the early 1990's there were many wars going on in Africa simultaneously; now there's only a handful.

The Arab spring is still not over. We've seen many dictatorships crumble over the last year. Things are even looking up in Russia

**

The more secular a country is the more peaceful it is (you can look it up). About 10% of the American population are atheists, but they only make up less than 0.25% of the prison population!

And the Bible speaks of a time of world peace before Christ comes back and this is where you and people who believe like you will point at us Christians and say "Where is your God now?" And THAT will be when Christ shows back up.

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