What part of "We're not under the law" dont you understand?

[Cribstyl]

It is spiritually discerned.

Yea, distilled spirits

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

The law that was added is the law dealing with the punishment or payment for sin. The "added" part is also saying that there was more before and now this portion has been added because of sin in the world. God's kingdom always had His Laws. Now they have a ordinance law on how to deal with sin.

Lol, a new spin that contradicts the bible.

 

[visionary]

If you only knew. I will be praying that you are taken into the Presence of God. Then you will understand.

 

[Cribstyl]

If you only knew. I will be praying that you are taken into the Presence of God. Then you will understand.

You did'nt know? I was born again into the spirit. The word of God is spiritual food. The stuff that you're cooking up is not taken from texts we can find. Sorry Pal.


CRIB

 

[visionary]

I will leave you in God's hands then.

 

[Cribstyl]

I will leave you in God's hands then.

Agreed
When you start preaching the word, I will say Amen. When you dont, I will let you know.
I have raised many questions about your statements and you've manage to duck them all.

I am not a scholar nor do I pretend to be. You're not preaching the truth or you would quote from where you're getting your understanding.

CRIB

 

[RND]

Skim through Ex20-24 and notice that God spoke more than 100 commandments before Moses recieved the tablets of stone in Ex 31.

And yet, the COI agreed to perform all that God had spoken.

Isnt it more interesting that Moses was first to write what God spoke in Ex 20?

Exd 24:4And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Isn't interesting how the people agreed to do what was spoken to them by both God and Moshe before it was written?

Exd 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Commentaries and questions can be hyped up to create questionable socalled facts.

Maybe, in some cases. But that doesn't really answer the question. If we are to live by every word spoken by God do we have to wait for it to be written down?

Exd 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

 

[RND]

Sorry Pal.

May I remind you of your pledge?

 

[RND]

Since you're touching on Paul's dialog- Rom 5:13 -for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.

Paul next words made it clear that he was talking about the original sin (Adam) and the law given through Moses
Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

CRIB

I wasn't referring to Romans 5:13. I was Referring to Galatians 3.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

 

[Cribstyl]

And yet, the COI agreed to perform all that God had spoken.

Isn't interesting how the people agreed to do what was spoken to them by both God and Moshe before it was written?

Exd 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

What's your point? Did the people do what they covenanted to do? What does this have to do with the commission and the doctrines Gentiles are taught?

Maybe, in some cases. But that doesn't really answer the question. If we are to live by every word spoken by God do we have to wait for it to be written down?

Exd 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

You walked in on me trying to present that the bible is the word of God. You're either in agreement or not?

CRIB

 

[RND]

What's your point?

That the Bible must somehow be correct. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

Did the people do what they covenanted to do?

No. Was that God's problem or there's? Was that indicative of a problem with God's commandments or their willingness to observe them?

What does this have to do with the commission and the doctrines Gentiles are taught?

Are gentiles taught a different set of rules than everyone else is that I'm not aware of?

You walked in on me trying to present that the bible is the word of God.

I did.

You're either in agreement or not?

With what? That the Bible is the word of God? Oh, you bet. I believe that with my whole heart.

Crib, if God's law was perfect, holy, just and good why would it need to be changed?

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, if God's law was perfect, holy, just and good why would it need to be changed?

Ask God, because, in the context this statement is taken from, the subject is that we're delivered from the law. Rom 7:6
The questions being raised by Paul is " Is it the law's fault?Rom 7:7 What's wrong with the law?Rom 7:13 Paul answers...No it's not the law's fault, the law is perfect, just and good...Rom 7:12

By isolating certain verses with commentary, Sabbatarians tend to ignor the real subject of the lesson of Rom 7 is that " we're divorced from," we're delivered from", and " we're are dead to the law."

Personally, I see it as an intentional effort to undermind the doctrine of faith by using isolated keywords about the law.
I see a teaching about the law being made by other teachers than Paul......If not, send me to his lessons about the law?


What do you see???
CRIB

 

[RND]

Ask God, because, in the context this statement is taken from, the subject is that we're delivered from the law. Rom 7:6
The questions being raised by Paul is " Is it the law's fault?Rom 7:7 What's wrong with the law?Rom 7:13 Paul answers...No it's not the law's fault, the law is perfect, just and good...Rom 7:12

Paul also reminds us that the carnal heart cannot keep the law because it is emnity against God's law. Law breakers "break" the law, those that obey the law don't.

By isolating certain verses with commentary, Sabbatarians tend to ignor the real subject of the lesson of Rom 7 is that " we're divorced from," we're delivered from", and " we're are dead to the law."

Unfortunately Crib, Romans 7 goes much deeper than the superficial treatment you just gave it. Remember the law is "spiritual" and works in the "inward man."

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Remember, Paul would have never known he was a sinner if it wasn't for the law.

Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Personally, I see it as an intentional effort to undermind the doctrine of faith by using isolated keywords about the law.

Funny isn't it Crib how Paul says we "establish the law" by faith?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I see a teaching about the law being made by other teachers than Paul......If not, send me to his lessons about the law?

How can you miss them?

What do you see???

I see consistent attempts, by lots of well meaning but obviously mistaken people to make the Ten Commandments the Nine Commandments and thus accomplish the goal of denying the Word of God in favor of the tradition of men.

"It is written...."

 

[Cribstyl]

Paul also reminds us that the carnal heart cannot keep the law because it is emnity against God's law. Law breakers "break" the law, those that obey the law don't.

Rewind.......... You asked a question.......Crib, if God's law was perfect, holy, just and good why would it need to be changed?

I replied...#73 .....It seems to me that God said He going to give a new covenant and you're saying "there is nothing new to give."

Unfortunately Crib, Romans 7 goes much deeper than the superficial treatment you just gave it. Remember the law is "spiritual" and works in the "inward man."

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Remember, Paul would have never known he was a sinner if it wasn't for the law.

Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.



Funny isn't it Crib how Paul says we "establish the law" by faith?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.



How can you miss them?



I see consistent attempts, by lots of well meaning but obviously mistaken people to make the Ten Commandments the Nine Commandments and thus accomplish the goal of denying the Word of God in favor of the tradition of men.

"It is written...."

What you're calling superficial is the main subject of the chapter which are these text below. These are direct command from God relating to His promises;Rom 7:4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
Rom 7:5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

The rest of the chapter are questions and explanations in which your commentary extract words to teach contrary to the truth.


CRIB

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Law breakers "break" the law, those that obey the law don't.

Show me the person who obeys. If a man claims that he does not sin, does such a man tell the truth? Is the whole world a prisoner of sin, or only part of it?

Unfortunately Crib, Romans 7 goes much deeper than the superficial treatment you just gave it. Remember the law is "spiritual" and works in the "inward man."

But I am carnal and am sold as a slave to sin.

Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 7:7 defines the very law to which we are to die.

Funny isn't it Crib how Paul says we "establish the law" by faith?

Funny isn't it RND how Paul confirms that we establish the law by faith and not by obedience? Funny isn't it how, in the very same chapter, Paul quotes the old testament passage that confirms that there is no one righteous, not even one?

I see consistent attempts, by lots of well meaning but obviously mistaken people to make the Ten Commandments the Nine Commandments

Who has done this? Neither Crib nor I hold this view. In fact, the law contained over 600 commands, all of which were a part of the ministry that brings death. We die to all of the law, not just one commandment.

and thus accomplish the goal of denying the Word of God in favor of the tradition of men.

Do you follow the word of God with respect to the passover? the feast of weeks? Day of atonement? Do offer animal sacrifices on each seventh day? What traditions are you following?

BFA

 

[RND]

Funny isn't it RND how Paul confirms that we establish the law by faith and not by obedience?

Are the two mutually exclusive BFA1 or do they go hand in hand?

Abraham's faith was displayed in his obedience and thus counted for righteousness. The COI were found to be disobedient to God because of there lack of faith in His commandments. In scripture there are a whole litany of examples of those who were faithful to God by their obedience to God.

We establish the law by faith to the law which means we are to be obedient to the law. Really, how much faith to God can be displayed when one is disobedient to the word of God?

 

[RND]

Rewind.......... You asked a question.......Crib, if God's law was perfect, holy, just and good why would it need to be changed?

I replied...#73 .....It seems to me that God said He going to give a new covenant and you're saying "there is nothing new to give."

You quoted me here as saying this: "there is nothing new to give." Where did I say this?

What you're calling superficial is the main subject of the chapter which are these text below. These are direct command from God relating to His promises;Rom 7:4Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
Rom 7:5For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

Dying to the law doesn't mean that the law is done away with, it means that the person no longer needs to be told the difference between right and wrong. They, through the Spirit, can tell instinctively what is and is not acceptable behavior regarding God's commandments.

They become, in essence, a "law unto themselves."

The rest of the chapter are questions and explanations in which your commentary extract words to teach contrary to the truth.

Gee, those are some pretty strong words Crib, very much in contradiction to your "pledge." How does anything I say "contradict" scripture and the word of Truth?

 

[Cribstyl]

You quoted me here as saying this: "there is nothing new to give." Where did I say this?

RND, your argument has been statements on text, such as" What's wrong with the law? I did not claim to have directly quoted you on that, I'm summerizing your arguments, that "there's nothing new, the same old law is written on the heart".

The line is drawn in the sand. I disagree with you. I dont hate you or intend to offend you.

Dying to the law doesn't mean that the law is done away with,it means that the person no longer needs to be told the difference between right and wrong. They, through the Spirit, can tell instinctively what is and is not acceptable behavior regarding God's commandments.

They become, in essence, a "law unto themselves."


Gee, those are some pretty strong words Crib, very much in contradiction to your "pledge." How does anything I say "contradict" scripture and the word of Truth?

Who's saying that dying to the law means "the law is done away with? As usual, you're raising straw arguments.
Secondly.. I disagree with what you claim "dying to the law means"

I highlighted what texts clarified about "died to the law".
you also have died to the law
so that you may belong to another,

Rom 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

Paul explains a divorce, due to death of a husband, which he identifies as the law. Nowhere does he say that we're going to be remarried to the law (commandments) but your commentary and questions are all about the law. Respectfully, my opinion is that you're contradicting what is being taught by raising the oposite of what's written.


I have not violate my pledge. If you're offended it could be because you wont settle any arguments or responses to your statements.

We dont have to escalate or disagreement to anger.

God bless

CRIB

 

[RND]

RND, your argument has been statements on text, such as" What's wrong with the law? I did not claim to have directly quoted you on that, I'm summerizing your arguments, that "there's nothing new, the same old law is written on the heart".

Next time try summerizing what I say without using quotation marks because it looks like your are attributing something I did not say to me.

I don't consider that "good manners."

The line is drawn in the sand. I disagree with you. I dont hate you or intend to offend you.

Right, we can still be friends.

Who's saying that dying to the law means "the law is done away with? As usual, you're raising straw arguments.
Secondly.. I disagree with what you claim "dying to the law means"

It is a typical "Christian" argument to insinuate that dead to the law means that there is no law, but simply under grace. Thus we can break the law with impugnity because, well, we're under grace. Dangerous theology.

I highlighted what texts clarified about "died to the law".
you also have died to the law
so that you may belong to another,

Rom 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

Paul explains a divorce, due to death of a husband, which he identifies as the law. Nowhere does he say that we're going to be remarried to the law (commandments) but your commentary and questions are all about the law. Respectfully, my opinion is that you're contradicting what is being taught by raising the oposite of what's written.

You mean we're aren't "married into" Christ? Does Christ have a certain standard He wishes to be upheld?

And I'm raising the "opposite" of what is written to illustrate the fallacy that there is no more any law to live up to.

I have not violate my pledge. If you're offended it could be because you wont settle any arguments or responses to your statements.

Well, as long as what others think doesn't matter then you're right, you didn't violate your pledge. Being stiffnecked about it is so unbecoming a Christians behavior in my eyes.

We dont have to escalate or disagreement to anger.

Who's angry?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

RND, any comment on the remainder of my post? I am particularly interested in whether you follow the word of God with respect to the passover? the feast of weeks? Day of atonement? Do offer animal sacrifices on each seventh day?

Are the two mutually exclusive BFA1 or do they go hand in hand?

What does Romans 3 say? It certainly does not make the claim that we establish the law through obedience. What is the basis of your position that we establish the law through obedience?

Abraham's faith was displayed in his obedience and thus counted for righteousness.

Because of his faith or because of his obedience? Tread carefully as you answer this question.

The COI were found to be disobedient to God because of there lack of faith in His commandments.

They were found to be disobedient because they were disobedient.

In scripture there are a whole litany of examples of those who were faithful to God by their obedience to God.

And yet we establish the law through faith, not obedience.

We establish the law by faith to the law which means we are to be obedient to the law.

And yet the whole world is a slave to sin. If your definition is correct, none establish the law.

Really, how much faith to God can be displayed when one is disobedient to the word of God?

Much. Faith is the evidence of things unseen, not the evidence of things that can easily be seen.

BFA