What part of "We're not under the law" dont you understand?

[visionary]

How does all these texts agree with your comments?
Everlasting does not mean eternal.....
Some of God's covenants are considered as everlasting. The fact that we see the initiation of these convenants prove that they did not preexist before the were given.Gen 9:16 Gen 17:7 Gen 17:13

Can you explain why circumcision was said by God to be an eternal covenant but is now consider not an issue in salvation?


CRIB

Let me clarify.. the eternal Law that always existed is the TEN...

on the subject of circumcision... is not our heart to be circumcised?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Let me clarify.. the eternal Law that always existed is the TEN...

on the subject of circumcision... is not our heart to be circumcised?

Why did God refer to circumcision as everlasting? Is the circumcision of the heart the same thing as old covenant circumcusion? Which is the shadow and which is the reality?

Why did God refer to the feast of firstfruits, the feast of weeks, the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles as "lasting ordinances?"

If the ten commandments are eternal, why did the seventh-day sabbath have a beginning?

BFA

 

[visionary]

You still have not addressed the reality that the ten commandments were included in the parchment that was on the side of the ark. In fact, the law that was placed on the side of the ark included all of the laws described in the book of Deuteronomy.

There is no Biblical basis for dividing the old covenant laws into categories.

You cited 2 Corinthians 3 without noting that this very chapter establishes that the letters engraved on tables of stone were fading even during the days of Paul. In fact, they were the ministry that brings death.

BFA

I heard it once said the Lord spoke the TEN and wrote them in stone... and the rest is commentary.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I heard it once said the Lord spoke the TEN and wrote them in stone... and the rest is commentary.

I heard it once said that the law was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. I heard it once said that you died to the law through the body of Christ, so you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that you might bear fruit to God. I agree with these statements.

BFA

 

[visionary]

It is amazing how some hold Paul's commentaries [found in the letters] to hold more weight that the very clear position Yeshua took.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

It is amazing how some hold Paul's commentaries [found in the letters] to hold more weight that the very clear position Yeshua took.

This assumes that Jesus and Paul were at odds with one another. I have found Jesus and Paul to be in harmony with one another.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He also told the man to go and sell everything he had. Does that command apply to you? If not, why not?

BFA

 

[visionary]

This assumes that Jesus and Paul were at odds with one another. I have found Jesus and Paul to be in harmony with one another.



He also told the man to go and sell everything he had. Does that command apply to you? If not, why not?

BFA

It could be .. if my heart is holding the coin more valuable than the things of earth... He will have to make a call on that portion in my heart.. but the first is still applicable to all..you want to have life.. keep the commandments.

 

[Cribstyl]

It is amazing how some hold Paul's commentaries [found in the letters] to hold more weight that the very clear position Yeshua took.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

What did you expect Him to tell Jews before He died on the cross?
If it is a fact that nonJews were outsiders until the door of opportunity opened, why are you posting text as if Gentiles were one with the Jews who were under the law?Mar 7:27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] unto the dogs.

Gentiles were not in covenant with God until Peter and Paul first tell us that God is now accepting them as His children.
Why should we continue as if He never died and Moses is our prophet?

Jesus put in Paul spirit doctrines that Saul opposed 100% before His conversion.
Peter, James and John made it their duty to teach us what we know as Christ's commandments.

These commandment are not the ten commandments....get over it.


The biggest fact ignored is that faith in Jesus does not required the sabbath as a sign.

The sabbath can be kept between a man and God, but it's not required according to doctrines found in the NT.





CRIB

 

[visionary]

What did you expect Him to tell Jews before He died on the cross?
If it is a fact that nonJews were outsiders until the door of opportunity opened, why are you posting text as if Gentiles were one with the Jews who were under the law?Mar 7:27But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] unto the dogs.

Gentiles were not in covenant with God until Peter and Paul first tell us that God is now accepting them as His children.
Why should we continue as if He never died and Moses is our prophet?

Jesus put in Paul spirit doctrines that Saul opposed 100% before His conversion.
Peter, James and John made it their duty to teach us what we know as Christ's commandments.

These commandment are not the ten commandments....get over it.


The biggest fact ignored is that faith in Jesus does not required the sabbath as a sign.

The sabbath can be kept between a man and God, but it's not required according to doctrines found in the NT.





CRIB

God has never changed.. there has always been provision for the gentiles...The law for the Jews applies to the gentiles too... ONE LAW

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15:29
Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

 

[k4c]

Isaiah 56:6-7 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, and are his servants and don't desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises. I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem, and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer, I will accept their sacrifices and offerings, for my Temple shall be called "A House of Prayer for All People''!

God loves when all people honor His day and love His name.

 

[Avonia]

God loves when all people honor His day and love His name.

Do you think this is a condition for God's love? If not, are you saying God loves us more when we do this?

Let's try this one: God loves.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

God has never changed.. there has always been provision for the gentiles...The law for the Jews applies to the gentiles too... ONE LAW

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15:29
Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Well, I definitley agree that there was one law, that this one law included laws that men have called "moral" and "cermonial" and that this one law is described in Galatians 3.

I further note that I do not sojourn and have never sojourned with an Israelite. I've not met an SDA who has.

The reality does not change. Shadows change.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Do you think this is a condition for God's love? If not, are you saying God loves us more when we do this?

Let's try this one: God loves.

Very well said.

BFA

 

[visionary]

Do you think this is a condition for God's love? If not, are you saying God loves us more when we do this?

Let's try this one: God loves.

OK.. God tested the gentiles and the Jews out in the wilderness of sin.. How did He prove that they love HIM?

 

[k4c]

Do you think this is a condition for God's love? If not, are you saying God loves us more when we do this?

Let's try this one: God loves.

God loves all people but He loves His people with a personal love as seen in a parent/child relationship.

John 14:21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.''

Do you think this love is different than the love He has for the world?

When God calls us to love our enemies do you think this is the same personal and emotional love we have for our children?

 

[Cribstyl]

God has never changed.. there has always been provision for the gentiles...The law for the Jews applies to the gentiles too... ONE LAW

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15:29
Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

First of all......one law for the home born and one law for the strangers are not the same law.
You know that these text are talking about Gentiles as they interact with the COI. If you know that is true, why do you use these text as if God sent prophets to teach the law to people other than the Children of Israel?

The COI were to be a set apart people so it's clear why strangers had to be circumcized and follow commandments.

 

[visionary]

First of all......one law for the home born and one law for the strangers are not the same law.
You know that these text are talking about Gentiles as they interact with the COI. If you know that is true, why do you use these text as if God sent prophets to teach the law to people other than the Children of Israel?

The COI were to be a set apart people so it's clear why strangers had to be circumcised and follow commandments.

While the Israelites have failed their commission to teach all nations... does not excuse all nations. Nineveh was called to repentence, and they knew what sins they were, they knew they were sinning against the God of Israel. They were gentiles.

 

[Avonia]

When God calls us to love our enemies do you think this is the same personal and emotional love we have for our children?

We often confuse the forms love moves through, with love. An action of love is love expressing through the physical body. An emotion of love is love expressing through the emotional body. A thought of love is love expressing through the mental body. In this way, we can understand love much like consciousness - in the cosmological sense of the word.

God is Love. God radiates Its Nature.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

While the Israelites have failed their commission to teach all nations... does not excuse all nations. Nineveh was called to repentence, and they knew what sins they were, they knew they were sinning against the God of Israel. They were gentiles.

It this is true, it is interesting to note that Ninevah knew sin even though Ninevah was not a recipient of the law. Further evidence that sin exists even in the absence of law.

BFA

 

[visionary]

It this is true, it is interesting to note that Ninevah knew sin even though Ninevah was not a recipient of the law. Further evidence that sin exists even in the absence of law.

BFA

Nineveh knew the true God. They were not like Egypt who were in open definance, saying that they did not know this God. Knowing God is knowing what is required to worship and honor and show obedience to His requirements.

When the people of Nineveh humbled themselves before God, the God of Israel, God honored them and their repentence by not destroying them. When they later returned to their wickness, then they were destroyed. God does not fool around with those who think that just because they are not the tribe of Israel, that they are not obligated to be obedient to Him and worship as their Creator..