now why do I just know you didnt offer any of this brotherly admonishment to your eternally secure brrethren when they were doing their thing?
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now why do I just know you didnt offer any of this brotherly admonishment to your eternally secure brrethren when they were doing their thing?Admonishment from a brother in Christ for you to take a look at your attitude is nonsense? Okay. I will badger you no more.
uh, its call ''instruction''Spiritualyalive said:Follower, what you are teaching is legalism. Why can't you understand this?
If God wanted Legalism and not Grace then he whould just left the Old covenant in place. Everything in the Old was conditional. Everything in the New Covenant is not conditional, but rewards.If that system was working, why did god see to change it.Why did God establish a New Covenant? Becuase man is incapable of living up to religous rules.If one can give away Salvation then it came from him as well. Since God draws people to him, and reveals himself to them. It's him doing the work,saving,ect. Only God can undo it.
you can call the Hebrews writer a ''legalist'' all you wishTherefore, brothers, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us approach with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies having been washed with clean water.
Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.
And let us consider one another for the stirring up of love and of good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves, just as is the custom for some, but exhorting one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
For if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery zeal being about to devour the adversaries.
Anyone disregarding the law of Moses dies without compassions on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
By how much worse punishment, do you think, will he be deemed worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, and has regarded as common the blood of the covenant, by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people."
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!
(Heb 10:19-31 EMTV)
Let's say I do a search and find heinous and ungodly posts from both of them. Let's say that I believe they were behaving very unChristlike. Let's say that I'm biased. Do any of those things negate the fact that you were responding in ungodliness? Do any of them justify acting that way? Since you want to talk about acting Christlike, why don't you tell me how Christ behaved when confronted with persecution.
Now, how about we take away those pretty big red letters and just read it for what it SAYS this time
Please, those of you who are OSAS, I am asking you as a brother in Christ to PLEASE stop this silliness of presenting that we believe that a man loses salvatoin or falls from grace with every sin.
WE have not stated as much and it seems that is the only way you all can even begin to win this debate....by showing we believe this type of tripe.
I assure you ALL that we dont.
thanks for your cooperation.
Please, those of you who are OSAS, I am asking you as a brother in Christ to PLEASE stop this silliness of presenting that we believe that a man loses salvatoin or falls from grace with every sin.
WE have not stated as much and it seems that is the only way you all can even begin to win this debate....by showing we believe this type of tripe.
I assure you ALL that we dont.
thanks for your cooperation.
<Follower> said:uh, its call ''instruction''
You may not know it, but Paul and the others took some time and sat down and really put some good instruction together for us.
Heres some
you can call the Hebrews writer a ''legalist'' all you wish
<Follower> said:Seeing that this was AFTER 2 days of the nonsense, Id say I handled it pretty well.
Your comments here are a perfect example of what I refer to above. To say that Calvinism states that God is not sovereign and that He is obligated to accept man is to show ignorance, great ignorance, of reformed teaching. Many things can justifiably said about Calvinism but the claim that it is a teaching which denies the sovereignty of God isn't one I believe I've ever heard before. On the contrary, we are most often accused of making the sovereignty of God such a preeminent part of our view that we make the will of man worthless.
How about you stop derailing this thread now ?Reformationist said:And herein lies the heart of the problem. It's a common error that people think that once they've put up with things for the length of time they feel appropriate, like 2 days worth of nonsense for instance, their ungodliness is then justified and therefore their actions, in their opinion, seem much better, often causing them to think they "handled things pretty well." Know what I mean?
<Follower> said:
ok then, answer this questoin.
And please just answer it plainly.
If you decided to run down to the local Mcdonalds and start blowing folks away tonite, then go on a raping/murdering spree for the next few months, then finally were shot and killed instantly while breaking into a home to kill some more, does God HAVE to let you in?
<Follower> said:How about you stop derailing this thread now ?
<Follower> said:
ok then, answer this questoin.
And please just answer it plainly.
If you decided to run down to the local Mcdonalds and start blowing folks away tonite, then go on a raping/murdering spree for the next few months, then finally were shot and killed instantly while breaking into a home to kill some more, does God HAVE to let you in?
Yes!
Wow, Ill tell you, Im very impressed.
Now the real question is since Gods Spirit and Jesus are in me why whould I want to do those things.The answer is I whoulnd't, but I perfectly chould if I let my flesh controll me.
genez said:Repent means to "change one's thinking" towards something. In the case of salvation, it requires that we stop rejecting Jesus Christ. Our sins have already been paid for. Everyone's!
1 John 2:2[/color][/b][/url] niv
"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."
We can not repent of being a sinner. If we could, we would not need the saving work of Christ! We repent by stop rejecting Christ. Not everyone was told to repent to be saved. Some were simply told to believe in Christ. The ones that were told to repent had been rejecting belief in Christ.
Acts 2:36-38 niv
"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
The sins they committed was the crucifying of the Lord! Peter said if they put their faith in Christ that those sins they committed would be forgiven. They were asking what they could do?, for doing such a horrible thing!
In another case, when the folks were not guilty of such sins, they were simply told to believe! No mention of having to repent of anything!
Acts 16:30-31 niv
"He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be savedyou and your household."
Grace and peace, GeneZ
<Follower> said:yeah, we've seen all these before.
Not a word of it states a man cannot apostate himself of his own free will.
Being apostate means a believer moves over into a willful state of continuous carnality. A carnal believer, is a carnal believer. He is good for nothing. But, he remains saved.
Its really quite simple.
Sadly, you have something very confused in your thinking. But, its all too clear to you at the same time. No arguing with you. That would require that you would first see what it says plainly. You continuously refuse. So? What are we left with? To refute you for the sake of others who may be weak in this area of doctrine. For that, you serve a purpose in that they will be built up in the Word. Some here have already been. For that, I say, "thank you."
In Christ, GeneZ
genez said:Not according Hebrews.Being apostate means a believer moves over into a willful state of continuous carnality. A carnal believer, is a carnal believer. He is good for nothing. But, he remains saved.
It really is.Its really quite simple.
yeah.....heh heh......silly me.....I thought JESUS was the one with the authority to define the unforgivable sin.Sadly, you have something very confused in your thinking.
What was I thinking
Sorry, its scripture that OSAS isBut, its all too clear to you at the same time. No arguing with you.
arguing agaisnt.
Instead of finding the harmony that makes all scripture true, OSAS makes anything that disagrees with the doctrine ''out of context''.
convienient.
yeah. that silly old Jesus, what was He thinking PLAINLY stating that "speaking against the Holy Spirit'' was the unforgivable sin.That would require that you would first see what it says plainly.
He shoud have just waited for OSAS doctrine to define that for Him
relentlessly.You continuously refuse.
Your choice. I have plenty of time and energy.So? What are we left with?
It seems the only ones that are impressed are the ones who believe the OSAS doctrine to begin with.To refute you for the sake of others who may be weak in this area of doctrine.
Our doctrinal stance has been defended very well, if I do say so myself.
Bravo...very well played.For that, you serve a purpose in that they will be built up in the Word. Some here have already been. For that, I say, "thank you."
I saw thru it and Id bet the rest did too
<Follower> said:Was Gods covenant to Isreal void of meaning as a whole because the few decided to reject it?
Youre presenting conjecture to fit your doctrine, nothing more.
The warnings of falling away are worded as such that one can easily see these are people who were repentant...
....and were sanctified by the blood of Christ.....
What is required for salvation? All this talk that they werent really saved is fabrication to justify what you all believe. None of you are in a position to dispute whether these ''beleived' and confessed with their mouths or not.
<Follower> said:Please no debating about whether it can happen or not, Romans 7 shows that the old man is still present in us and capable of sin.
shotpull said:Luke 5:31
Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but the sinner to repentance."
I noticed the word repent...
http://www.data-boy.net/reference/vines/index.asphttp://www.data-boy.net/reference/vines/index.aspVine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
1metanoeo (Verb)
Lit., "to perceive afterwards" (meta, "after," implying "change," noeo, "to perceive;" nous, "the mind, the seat of moral reflection"), in contrast to pronoeo, "to perceive beforehand," hence signifies "to change one's mind or purpose," always, in the NT, involving a change for the better, an amendment, and always, except in Lu. 17:3,4, of "repentance" from sin. The word is found in the Synoptic Gospels (in Lu. , nine times), in Ac. five times, in the Re. twelve times, eight in the messages to the churches, Re. 2:5 (twice),16,21 (twice), RV, "she willeth not to repent" (2nd part); Re. 3:3,19 (the only churches in those chapters which contain no exhortation in this respect are those at Smyrna and Php. adelphia); elsewhere only in 2Co. 12:21.
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