What is your view of Christmas...

[Gxg (G²)]

LLOJ has never said he's Jewish.

Haven't seen him ever claim to have that...

 

[GodActsOnMe]

If you're going to be confrontational, you're in the wrong forum. You are a guest here, it would behoove you to act properly, as a guest.

What?

I acknowledge the fact that it is based off of a pagan holiday, due to the expansion of the Christian faith.

I still celebrate it, due to the enigma that is Jesus Christ's actual birth day.

That is not being confrontational.

 

[Lulav]

WHAT?!?!?
Where have I ever stated that?!

Must be thinking of someone else.....LLOJ has never said he's Jewish.

That's for sure, that's like saying, what, the Hatfields said they were McCoy's?:o

 

[Lulav]

I assume you mean in a grave

Some have viewed the "beggar" in Luke 16 as representing "Gentiles" and wonder how others view it here [or if there is a topic on this board discussing it]
Shalom and God bless

Luke 16:22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom.
The rich-man also died and was buried.

Genesis 15:13 Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land [that is] not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years.
"Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.

Stop it, STOP IT! That is enough of your Anti-Jewish rhetoric in this forum.

Take it somewhere else!

That has nothing what- so- EVER to do with the topic, you just are inserting your hatred about Jews wherever you can and this is not the place.

Keep your 'five brothers', Lazarus, and Luke 16 thoughts to yourself, they aren't welcome here!

 

[visionary]

But for me, a Jew (even a non-religious Jew), how could I believe in Jesus? (Please remember: At that time, I didn’t realize that his Hebrew name was Yeshua and that his mother’s Hebrew name was Miriam, or that “Christ” meant “Messiah,” or that he came into the world to save his Jewish people, or that he lived and died as a faithful Jew.) For me, Jesus was only for the Gentiles. (Again, you have to excuse my ignorance!)

I didn't know you were Jewish LLOJ

 

[Lulav]

Where was that posted? give a link pleasze

 

[visionary]

Where was that posted? give a link pleasze

I bumbed it up in Dr. Brown thread

 

[yedida]

Where was that posted? give a link pleasze

Vissy's post that you're responding to is exactly the one that I was referring to when I said that I'd read that LLoJ was Jewish!!! I don't think it's in this thread and can't remember where it's located! That's why I asked him what I did....

 

[yedida]

I think this is the link for LLoJ's statement about being Jewish:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7677132/
post #11.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think this is the link for LLoJ's statement about being Jewish:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7677132/
post #11.

That was on a different thread tho.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7677132/#post61139076

 

[yedida]

That was on a different thread tho.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7677132/#post61139076

It doesn't make any difference if it was on another thread or even in a different forum. If that paragraph was you speaking about yourself, you can't do that! You can't say two different things about yourself and not expect to get called on it!
If that paragraph was you quoting what someone else said then, I apologize for misunderstanding. But you didn't make that statement stand out as not being you saying something about yourself. It looked like you were giving a personal testimony.

 

[ChavaK]

It doesn't make any difference if it was on another thread or even in a different forum. If that paragraph was you speaking about yourself, you can't do that! You can't say two different things about yourself and not expect to get called on it!
If that paragraph was you quoting what someone else said then, I apologize for misunderstanding. But you didn't make that statement stand out as not being you saying something about yourself. It looked like you were giving a personal testimony.

It is confusing, but that is a quote from Dr. Brown, not LLOJ.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

That was on a different thread tho.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7677132/#post61139076

Not really seeing what the issue is. Following the flow of dialouge, the thread was on Dr.Michael Brown....and you came sharing information on that issue directly, as shown here:

Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus - Dr Michael Brown
Shalom ChavaK


According to his web site, both he and his wife are Jewish believers in Jesus

Ministry Profile

Dr. Brown is a national and international speaker on themes of spiritual renewal and cultural reformation, and he has debated Jewish rabbis, agnostic professors, and gay activists on radio, TV, and college campuses.

He is widely considered to be the world’s foremost Messianic Jewish apologist.


He and his wife Nancy, who is also a Jewish believer in Jesus, have been married since 1976. They have two daughters and four grandchildren.


Personal Testimony: From LSD to Ph.D.

But for me, a Jew (even a non-religious Jew), how could I believe in Jesus? (Please remember: At that time, I didn’t realize that his Hebrew name was Yeshua and that his mother’s Hebrew name was Miriam, or that “Christ” meant “Messiah,” or that he came into the world to save his Jewish people, or that he lived and died as a faithful Jew.) For me, Jesus was only for the Gentiles. (Again, you have to excuse my ignorance!)

For when you said what you did, you gave out the reference link before what you shared on the quote that was claimed you stole for yourself. However, anyone honestly taking the time to investigate the link would have seen rather easily that what was shared outside of quotations marks was clearly a quote....and as you've already said you were not Jewish on multiple occassions, it'd be logical to not assume you were making a claim in that thread that you were somehow Jewish. SOme things, IMHO, do not require one to be technical/have all things laid out as they may be by others who identify a quotation via a quotion mark since others on the forum have often shared a quote/given a link precedding it in order to show reference.

All it required was for one to investigate the link, see what was said, and recognize where you were already quoting another. The concept of giving benefit of a doubt...

On the quote from Dr.Brown which is in full:

When I finally returned there in November, something completely unexpected happened to me. It was not what I was anticipating! For the first time in my life I believed that Jesus died for me (in other words, He paid the penalty that I deserved, He died in my place) and that He rose from the dead.

This did not strike me as especially good news! How can I say that? Simple. It was one thing for my friends to truly put their faith in Jesus. After all, one was Methodist and the other was Russian Orthodox. Even though they were only Christian in name, becoming a Christian in truth didn’t seem to me like such a big religious jump. I thought the different Christian religions were close enough!

But for me, a Jew (even a non-religious Jew), how could I believe in Jesus? (Please remember: At that time, I didn’t realize that his Hebrew name was Yeshua and that his mother’s Hebrew name was Miriam, or that “Christ” meant “Messiah,” or that he came into the world to save his Jewish people, or that he lived and died as a faithful Jew.) For me, Jesus was only for the Gentiles. (Again, you have to excuse my ignorance!)

But there was a much bigger problem I faced: Following Jesus and getting into a right relationship with God meant I had to turn away from my sins. I didn’t want to do that! There was too much pleasure in my sin. And how could I be a famous rock drummer and a good, clean church-goer at the same time? Plus, I was too proud to admit that I could be wrong. (Some people would rather die than admit they are wrong.) I was as stubborn as they come. And how I loved to argue. (After all, I was the son of an excellent lawyer!) Yet somehow, God’s goodness and patience overcame my stubbornness, my pride, my sinful habits, and my religious misunderstandings. By the end of 1971 I was a new man! The heavenly Father intervened in my affairs, making me to know that I was guilty in his sight, exposing the corruption of my heart, and showing me a new and better way.
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[Gxg (G²)]

The mention of the Jewish soul/spark does go into a more mystical form of Judaism.

Some of the more mystical forms of Judaism, depending on how one explains it, can be acceptable.

 

[Torah]

Do you feel it is wrong? Just curious no bashing intended.

Why I dont......

http://torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/Christmas.pdf

 

[Lulav]

Originally Posted by Lulav

If it is idolatrous for Jews, why isn't it idolatrous for gentiles?
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This is a difference between the beliefs of Judaism and Messianic Judaism. Judaism believes that the Messiah will be a man. Judaism believes that calling any man, God, and worshipping a man, is idolatry.

Right, what does that have to do with idolatry for all humans?

Messianic Judaism believes the Yeshua is God in the flesh.

That is a broad statement of MJ, but I won't go there right now.

So when a Chassidic Rabbi criticizes Jewish people for putting up a Christmas tree which is in honor of what they view as a man who is believed to be God, that to Judaism, the religion of the Jewish people, is idolatry. Those who are not Jewish are not held to the Jewish religion (unless they live in the land of Israel in which case they are subject to a certain subset of the laws).

Many Jews view this as a secular holiday, viewing western TV and seeing it as such. Still the Rabbi protested. The sellers of the trees did not like it either.

Judaism is not the religion of all Jewish people.

Those who are not Jewish are not believed to be held to the Noachide laws? which includes no idolatry? Also that Rabbi was protesting to the sale of the christmas trees in the land, it seems it has become quite a business, sadly.

There are exceptions of course. Some Rabbi's, primarily those who adhere to teaching the Noachide laws as taught by Rebbe Schneerson, would discourage Gentiles from believing on Jesus, as Rebbe Schneerson viewed such a belief as idolatry for both Jews and Gentiles. But the main objection to Jewish people having a Christmas tree is tied to the Christian belief that Jesus is God.

Yet, many non Jewish Americans and Europeans put one up each year with not a thought of it honoring anyone.

The mention of the Jewish soul/spark does go into a more mystical form of Judaism.

Not sure what your point is here, even though I understand about the sparks.

This was seven years ago, but I assume it hasn't abated.

Oy, Christmas tree!

I thought I had posted this link before but see I hadn't. This is what I was referring to.

 

[xDenax]

Why I dont......

http://torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/Christmas.pdf

Wow, he's pretty harsh with the claim that Christmas symbols are demonic (tree, holly, elves, mistletoe). Is that a common Messianic view? I'm guessing Tim Hegg is Messianic. I've heard his many mentioned many times.

 

[ContraMundum]

Wow, he's pretty harsh with the claim that Christmas symbols are demonic (tree, holly, elves, mistletoe). Is that a common Messianic view? I'm guessing Tim Hegg is Messianic. I've heard his many mentioned many times.

Hegg is a bit of a hack theologian, and certainly a wannabe reformer and rowboat admiral. Discard most of his thoughts as imbalanced and you will do well. I don't think he represents a genuine Messianic theology. Way too angry at everyone.

 

[Yusuphhai]

Why did Emperor Constantine and the Roman Church especially purposely choose the Birthday of Roman Sun god(Mastering Planting) to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Although they obviously did not know on which day Jesus was given to birth.

 

[Avodat]

If you ever find out the real reason 'why' you will answer the most asked question on these fora! We don't know 'why', we just that the people of that time 'did'.