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I think you meant Isaiah 65:20-25. Anyway, those verses don't say that there will not be raptured/resurrected saints in their incorruptible eternal life bodies on earth during that time as well.Yes, He will reside in the Temple on Mt Zion. People will go to Him for instruction. Isaiah 2:1-5
But all of the rest of people and animals in the Millennium, must be mortal. Proved by Isaiah 64:20-25
Yes, Thank you.I think you meant Isaiah 65:20-25
Impossible. Don't you realize that immortal people are like the angels: Spiritual beings?, aAnyway, those verses don't say that there will not be raptured/resurrected saints in their incorruptible eternal life bodies on earth during that time as well.
Keras, yes there will be saints in their immortal everlasting bodies during the millennial reign of Christ. No-one gets resurrected to mortal bodies.Yes, Thank you.
Impossible. Don't you realize that immortal people are like the angels: Spiritual beings?, a
No one, not even Abraham, David, or Lazarus, or the many early Christian martyrs, any human, will have Eternal life bestowed on them until God sits in Judgment, Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation 20:11-15 and the Book of Life is opened.
That you are wrong about there being immortals in the Millennium, is the 'end of days, is not and cannot be until the Millennium is over.Keras, yes there will be saints in their immortal everlasting bodies during the millennial reign of Christ. No-one gets resurrected to mortal bodies.
Daniel will be one of those saints in his immortal everlasting body during the 1000 years. The last verse in Daniel 12 is to Daniel specifically. He will be among the saints accompanying Jesus at Jesus's Return. I think of Daniel, Ezekiel, Paul, and John in particular as my friends and pray for them that day come soon.
Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
The end of days in Daniel 12:13 is the end of days of the worst time in history of the nation of Israel, i.e. the great tribulation. Daniel 12 is about the time of the end and the abomination of desolation being setup and Jesus's return at the end of that period, 1335 days long.That you are wrong about there being immortals in the Millennium, is the 'end of days, is not and cannot be until the Millennium is over.
says they "may" die again. Keras, it does not say that they (the martyred great tribulation saints) "may" nor "will" die again. It is the rest of the dead who may or may not experience the second death, the eternal death.You say; No one gets resurrected in their mortal bodies. Lazarus did, even Jesus did, so that is how those martyrs will be. Rev 20:4-6 plainly says they may die again; as Lazarus did.
Douggg, I have to strongly oppose you in this issue, because it is all tied in with your 'anytime rapture' belief. Before Jesus Returns.
The 'rapture to heaven' belief, asserts that people can receive immortality before Judgment. This idea is seriously wrong and contradicts much scripture. It also makes those who have fallen for that lie; complacent and unaware of what really will happen.
The Last Day has to be the final day of God's Creation. Which will be at the end of the Millennium, THEN comes Eternity and the spiritual new Jerusalem.The end of days in Daniel 12:13 is the end of days of the worst time in history of the nation of Israel, i.e. the great tribulation. Daniel 12 is about the time of the end and the abomination of desolation being setup and Jesus's return at the end of that period, 1335 days long.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. [the martyrs killed during the 42 month Satanic rule of the world]says they "may" die again. Keras, it does not say that they (the martyred great tribulation saints) "may" nor "will" die again. It is the rest of the dead who may or may not experience the second death, the eternal death.
1/ Total unscriptural nonsense. Your verses prophecy no such thing.1. The rapture/resurrection of believers before the great tribulation begins. (1Thessalonians4:15-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11)
Where do you place the events of Thessalonians4:15-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11 in respect to the great tribulation?1/ Total unscriptural nonsense. Your verses prophecy no such thing.
2/ and 3/ will happen as described, 2/ at the glorious Return of Jesus, 3/ At the end of the Millennium.
Your Bible quotes are unrelated.Where do you place the events of Thessalonians4:15-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11 in respect to the great tribulation?
(I think you meant to type 1Thess 5:9-11.)Your Bible quotes are unrelated.
1 Thess 4:15-18, is after all the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls are over. The 7th Bowl being the Battle of Armageddon.
2 Thess 5:9-11, Gods wrath is directed to the ungodly peoples, He provides PROTECTION for those faithful believers who call upon His Name.
It is difficult discussing issues with you as you are so confused and intransigent.(I think you meant to type 1Thess 5:9-11.)
They are both referring to the same event - the rapture (the living)/ the resurrection (of the dead) in Christ.
Which both translated living and the resurrected in Christ, receive their everlasting eternal life bodies at that time (which according to your timing takes place before the millennium begins - not after the millennium is over).
Keras, Christians are not resurrected to die a physical death a second time. 1Corintinians15:42 is as clear as can be.It is difficult discussing issues with you as you are so confused and intransigent.
I did mean 1 Thess 4:15-18, as that refers to the glorious Return of Jesus. No one is 'raptured and the only ones resurrected will be the GT martyrs.
My Biblically correct timing, is that immortality is only given at the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 THEN Eternity comes.
Lazarus was, he was a believer in Jesus and he was very dead. Jesus raised him in the same way as He will for the GT martyrs.Keras, Christians are not resurrected to die a physical death a second time.
Lazarus was unsaved at the time.Lazarus was, he was a believer in Jesus and he was very dead. Jesus raised him in the same way as He will for the GT martyrs.
1 Corinthians 15 is mostly about what happens after the Millennium. Proved by verse 24, where Jesus hands the Kingdom back to God.
Keras, Martha was expressing a general belief that God would someday bring the dead back to eternal life (and some to eternal damnation). At the time, Jesus had not gone to the cross and resurrected from the grave, with belief in his atonement for sins as the only Way to eternal life - so Lazarus was not a Christian at the time of his death.But his sister, Martha knew he would receive Eternal life on the Last Day. John 11:23-28 At the GWT Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.
You have been given scriptural verses that disprove your position, and you have now turned to making personal accusations - which is against the forum rules btw.Until proof of this is presented, you remain a false teacher and a promoter of fables.
Lazarus knew and believed Jesus was the Messiah. He was one of His followers, or why would Jesus be so concerned about him?so Lazarus was not a Christian at the time of his death.
None of your scriptures say when immortality will be given. We know when from Revelation 20:11-17You have been given scriptural verses that disprove your position,
The concept of the Messiah to the Jews was to be promised great King of Israel descended from David. Lazarus, nor any of the Jews at the time, understood the concept of the gospel of Salvation until after the resurrection and Jesus opening their minds to it (Luke 24:44-48) - because it was hidden from their understanding. Luke 18:31-34 below. As well as, hidden from Satan and his angels (the princes of this word) from understanding it. 1Corinthians2:7-8 below.Lazarus knew and believed Jesus was the Messiah.
Yes, they do.None of your scriptures say when immortality will be given.
Members of the forum can disagree regarding different eschatological views and issues and debate those according - but cannot be mean-spirited in doing so.I will oppose false teachings wherever I see it. You promote an 'Anytime rapture'. That idea cannot be correct as we are plainly told; We must endure until the end.
At the sudden and shocking high intensity flash from the sun, Isaiah 30:26a(Keras, when does the Day of the Lord begin in your opinion ?)
1 Thess 4:15-18 refers to what will happen when Jesus Returns; AFTER the Great Tribulation1Thessalonians4:15-18 - the rapture/resurrection event - 1Thessalonians5:9-11 before the Day of the Lord begins, and the wrath of God.
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