What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[zoidar]

I`m serving God by repenting for my sins. How does that work?

Got what you are saying. We repent to come in service of God. Repentance itself is not service of God, but mercy of God towards us.

 

[Clare73]

The bible clearly says Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works lest any man shall boast. Now show me where in the bible it says you receive the rebirth, faith brings salvation. It would also be great to show rebirth, which is never shown in the bible as you stated it will bring faith, pass that we agree, looking forward to seeing your proof text in that order, reading out of the text and not having to read it into the text. Have a great day.

John 1:13.

Except you have the new birth in the wrong order

Not according to
John 3:3-8--one cannot even see (know, be acquainted with) the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

There is your Biblical statement of the sequence: rebirth comes first, before everything.

as per John 1:12-13 , John 3:16, Romans 10:9-13.

John 1:12-13 is about the consequences of the new birth, giving you the right to be a co-heir sharing in Christ's own inheritance because of your adoption by God as a son.

John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-13 do not exclude regeneration before faith anymore than does
John 3:3-8, above.

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[RickReads]

51You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit, just as your fathers did.


Would it not show that you are obeying God by confessing your sin and thanking him for his forgiveness which we got when Jesus paid all our sin debt by laying down his life?

Well, God likes it when we repent. But that isn't serving Him. When we repent we are doing something for our own benefit, our own gain. We didn't serve God when we let Jesus die for us.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

Got what you are saying. We repent to come in service of God. Repentance itself is not service of God, but mercy of God towards us.

But it does seem even in your statement that says, We repent to come in service of God, wouldn't our repenting be our service or obedience to repent and turn?

 

[iwbswiaihl]

Well, God likes it when we repent. But that isn't serving Him. When we repent we are not doing something for our own benefit, our own gain. We didn't serve God when we let Jesus die for us.

So when we do repent we are serving the Lord by repenting, doesn't make sense that obedience isn't service.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

So when we do repent we are not serving the Lord by repenting, doesn't make sense that obedience isn't service.

 

[Clare73]

The bible clearly says Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works lest any man shall boast. Now show me where in the bible it says you receive the rebirth, faith brings salvation. It would also be great to show rebirth, which is never shown in the bible as you stated it will bring faith, pass that we agree, looking forward to seeing your proof text in that order, reading out of the text and not having to read it into the text. Have a great day.

See post #2242, above.

 

[Clare73]

In every case,
the person had already chosen their path before God intervened in their lives.

Not Nehemiah. . .nor all kings.

And the apostle, Paul?

Who changed his heart?

The same one that changes the heart of every man who comes to faith.

 

[zoidar]

But it does seem even in your statement that says, We repent to come in service of God, wouldn't our repenting be our service or obedience to repent and turn?

If you (God) have a party and a neighbour asks if he can come to your party (repentance). Is your neighbour doing service to you by asking, just because you wanted him to ask and come?

 

[RickReads]

So when we do repent we are serving the Lord by repenting, doesn't make sense that obedience isn't service.

Repentance is a prerequisite and obedience isn't always service i.e. if you restrain yourself from murder, is that really a way to serve God? Will He say to you, 'Well done you didn't murder'?

What is repentance and is it necessary for salvation? | GotQuestions.org

 

[RickReads]

And the apostle, Paul?

Who changed his heart?

The same one that changes the heart of every man who comes to faith.

Paul already had a heart for God, that wasn't what his problem was. Paul was a know not according to his own testimony. I thought you knew the epistles Hmmmm.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Yes, you keep repeating that. We don't inherit guilt, God just puts it on us when we are born courtesy of Adams's mistake.

Funny you would call it "mistake". SIN is not simply 'mistake'.

 

[RickReads]

Funny you would call it "mistake". SIN is not simply 'mistake'.

Ok, so throw stones because my language wasn`t strong enough for a Calvinist taste.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

If you (God) have a party and a neighbour asks if he can come to your party (repentance). Is your neighbour doing service to you by asking, just because you wanted him to ask and come?

But we aren't talking about having a party! Repentance is an action of faith, it can be rejected or even neglected, but once put into action is called obedience, except you repent you perish. Matt 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. There is a call, there must be a response, accept or not, to receive the call is become faithful, and is not a one time act, but a practice to become a habit. The ball is in our court, we can respond or let it go by.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

Repentance is a prerequisite and obedience isn't always service i.e. if you restrain yourself from murder, is that really a way to serve God? Will He say to you, 'Well done you didn't murder'?

What is repentance and is it necessary for salvation? | GotQuestions.org

Is for salvation, but to reframe from committing the same disobedient is a duty( a moral or legal obligation; a responsibility of every Christian, is it not?

 

[zoidar]

But we aren't talking about having a party! Repentance is an action of faith, it can be rejected or even neglected, but once put into action is called obedience, except you repent you perish. Matt 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light. There is a call, there must be a response, accept or not, to receive the call is become faithful, and is not a one time act, but a practice to become a habit. The ball is in our court, we can respond or let it go by.

Ok, forget about my party example.

Hm, how did I get into this discussion...

 

[RickReads]

Ok, forget about my party example.

Hm, how did I get into this discussion...

I defer to you, sir. Have at it.

 

[RickReads]

Is for salvation, but to reframe from committing the same disobedient is a duty( a moral or legal obligation; a responsibility of every Christian, is it not?

Yes, but I think serving God as a reason to do what is right is a recipe for failure. We have to want to do the right thing and need to do it out of a motive of love. To do what is right because of who we are in Jesus as we live out Romans 8.

 

[RickReads]

@iwbswiaihl

Meditate on this one.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

@iwbswiaihl

Meditate on this one.

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

True and to let a sleeping dog rest, I agree, nevertheless in closing, when I said,"Is for salvation, but to reframe from committing the same disobedient is a duty( a moral or legal obligation; a responsibility of every Christian, is it not?" could it not also be because love is drawing from the heart the desire placed there at salvation for obedience. So---------------I------become --------silent---to let the dog, rest>)