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Preach itDon't use the word "Calvinism" if you want to discuss what Scripture presents.
vv. 3-4?John 3:5-8 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. 7Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes. You hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” This is absolutely true! Its the application that has been stated wrong. In context, he goes to the application: 16For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. 18Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
The purpose being for the well-being of his children.
Jesus died for all men (1 John 2:2 and 1 Timothy 2:6) and God desires all to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:9). Jesus's disciples labor to bring people to the Savior (1 Timothy 4:10). It is the god of this world (not the Lord) who works against that purpose. Unfortunately, some men reject per John 3:18-19 because they love darkness.Arminianism has yet to explain how Grace is possessing of some modicum of human ability to submit to God apart from the work of God, that is, it has yet to explain how it is possible that some people "accept Christ" while others do not.
The work of grace is first Christ paying the ransom for all men (1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, even 2 Peter 2:1) and then the Holy Spirit working with the preaching of the Gospel. It is a shame that you derogatorily label cooperation with the Holy Spirit as a "work of man". Acts 7:51 says that men can resist the Holy Spirit - so cooperation is man's option. Sorry if you heard this from me many times: If it is just a work of God alone, then why does Peter promise remission of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit to those who repent in response to his Gospel message in Acts 2. Peter even invokes his audience to "save yourselves" - which I have been told is not a popular phrase among Calvinists.The Arminian pretends a work of Grace, in which the work of man adds to the work of God for a greater or more complete effect than the work of God alone.
It is the NT term (palingenesia) for the new birth: Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3, 1 Peter 1:23.Whenever I hear the term regeneration, I think of Reformed. Its
their term for the "new birth".
You are using the term "salvation" in a very general way.The rest of us see Salvation as including the new birth.
Apparently some Calvinists see Salvation as including regeneration.
I would be interested in where the NT says faith is the result of regeneration. I demonstrated in Post 1745 that receiving a new heart and spirit (i.e. regeneration) follows repentance. Repentance requires faith.Salvation is the result of faith, which faith is the result of regeneration.
Yet Abraham had faith in God, and this was considered righteousness.I would be interested in where the NT says faith is the result of regeneration. I demonstrated in Post 1745 that receiving a new heart and spirit (i.e. regeneration) follows repentance. Repentance requires faith.
I agree completely. It is surprising how God does what he does, often with the mundane, ordinary means, when we would prefer that he do the spectacular.Keeping in mind that warnings are one of the ways God preserves the regenerate, who heed the warnings, while the unregenerate do not.
I agree with this. The book of Acts and the NT epistles were written to NT believers - that is where we should concentrate. Unfortunately, some give the same importance to that which was written to pre-NT believers.Yet Abraham had faith in God, and this was considered righteousness.
Regeneration happened after Jesus.
Well, no, you didn't. Your failure was in the illogic that claims concurrence (or even sequence) implies causation. Your verse did not show that regeneration follows repentance, but rather simply that the one necessarily implies the other. It does not say which causes which, nor even, for that matter which one comes first. But it does imply that motivation is involved!I would be interested in where the NT says faith is the result of regeneration. I demonstrated in Post 1745 that receiving a new heart and spirit (i.e. regeneration) follows repentance. Repentance requires faith.
That's because the sales man preacher recognizes that most people in the audience are not saved, but would really really like to believe that they are.I agree with this. The book of Acts and the NT epistles were written to NT believers - that is where we should concentrate. Unfortunately, some give the same importance to that which was written to pre-NT believers.
Her point is not that the warning is a guarantee, but that it, and the motivations it fosters, are part of God's means of keeping the elect. The guarantee is God's promise, his Covenant, and the Holy Spirit given to us. There is no implication of something automatic, but that God is totally committed to completing what he has set out to do. We can know, as surely as we can know anything, that God will do it, regardless of what we consider our efforts vs his.A warning in life is never a guarantee that anyone will heed the warning, but you think it's different with the Bible?
He probably is, after all, he's 57, I think, while I'm only 66. He's been a believer apparently for a long time, while I've only been a believer longer than I can remember, which isn't so long. I can't even remember what I started out to say here.I'm thinkin' he sees himself as much older than you. . .
The verse in Ezekiel references the need to repent and turn multiple times. At the tail end of a sentence after repentance is mentioned does he refer to getting a new heart and spirit. What is Ezekiel stressing: Is it repent now to get a new heart and spirit or is it wait to get spuriously zapped with a new heart and new spirit so you can repent. Try to read the passage objectively - if you can.Well, no, you didn't. Your failure was in the illogic that claims concurrence (or even sequence) implies causation. Your verse did not show that regeneration follows repentance, but rather simply that the one necessarily implies the other. It does not say which causes which, nor even, for that matter which one comes first. But it does imply that motivation is involved!
Spiritually dead men don't believe, because they can't even see the things of God (John 3:3-8),I would be interested in where the NT says faith is the result of regeneration.
But repentance, by definition, is a mighty change of mind and heart.I demonstrated in Post 1745 that receiving a new heart and spirit (i.e. regeneration) follows repentance. Repentance requires faith.
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