What is wrong with Calvinism ?

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I am not implying, I am specifically stating: it's not about "spirituality," it's about enablement to fulfill the special role Jesus assigned to them as the foundation of the church and the penmen of Scripture.
I am specifically stating that the apostles were empowered to speak for Jesus, as well as for God (Luke 10:16; John 13:20)
and to recall and understand all things correctly (John 14:26; John 16:13-15; Luke 24:44-45).
I am specifically stating: that's not about their "spirituality," that's about their enablement for the role God assigned to them.

I am not of that persuasion, do not maintain those views and have presented nothing to indicate such.
You're preaching to the choir.

Thanks for making that clear.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Above is how I correctly quoted the bible....with only one "it was very good". You quoted "very very good" without quoting a ch/vs in your post. This senior didn't remember ever reading a "very very good" verse. So I searched 6 translations and I still couldn't find your quote. So I thought maybe you had some translation that disagreed with most, or maybe even...you just had a 'senior memory moment'. Go back to my last 1343 post and read your quote. I quoted your incorrect quote correctly and even bolded what you said in your quote in that post. And now you ignore my observation totally????? What can I say? If you can't even admit making a little mistake, better WATCH the WATCHMAN.

Scripture says "creation in general" was "good", "very good" and "not good". So take your 'little apple' 'big apple' and 'orange' opinion of my scripture observation if you must, but at least wipe the egg off your face first. I quoted scripture and you want to tell me I'm wrong and you have done nothing to refute what that scripture says. It plainly disagrees with you. Refute the scripture I shared or eat your apples and oranges, cause I don't want them. I tried to play nice WATCHMAN1, and you want to act like this??? WATCH where you're throwing rocks MAN.

My verse stands,
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is NOT GOOD that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

I get what you are saying, and very clearly through your "shouting" at me through your boldened words, and even though I feel kicked in the shins when you started missing the ball and started kicking me instead.

So, I said "very, very good" instead of just "very good". Well, too bad, how sad for me. After all, I'm not a good Christian at all, just a vile sinner saved by God's grace, therefore I fully agree with everything you say about me.

 

[RickReads]

Every description of God that I have seen in the Bible is a Person who has a past, present and future. Jesus has mentioned past events, and the Holy Spirit brings into remembrance what Jesus as previously taught us. Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit have talked about the future. And the Holy Spirit has said, "Today, if you hear His voice, don't harden your heart." Seeing that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God then neither of them are existing in a type of an ever-present state.

The Bible certainly said that God knows the end from the beginning, but certainly does not say that the end and the beginning are the same to Him. We don't know about the Father, because He is always represented by the Son and the Holy Spirit to us. We have heard the Father's voice twice in Scripture - at Jesus' baptism, and on the Transfiguration Mount. The Yahweh of the Old Testament was the pre-incarnate Jesus, because the Scripture says that no one has seen the Father at any time, so He could not have been the God of the Old Testament, and the only other God of the Old Testament was the Son of God who spoke and appeared.

So, from what I read from the Bible, there is no mention of God being ever-present. If you can find references to support it, let's be having them and we can discuss them further, respectfully of course!

Proverbs 15:3

3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Every description of God that I have seen in the Bible is a Person who has a past, present and future. Jesus has mentioned past events, and the Holy Spirit brings into remembrance what Jesus as previously taught us. Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit have talked about the future. And the Holy Spirit has said, "Today, if you hear His voice, don't harden your heart." Seeing that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God then neither of them are existing in a type of an ever-present state.

The Bible certainly said that God knows the end from the beginning, but certainly does not say that the end and the beginning are the same to Him. We don't know about the Father, because He is always represented by the Son and the Holy Spirit to us. We have heard the Father's voice twice in Scripture - at Jesus' baptism, and on the Transfiguration Mount. The Yahweh of the Old Testament was the pre-incarnate Jesus, because the Scripture says that no one has seen the Father at any time, so He could not have been the God of the Old Testament, and the only other God of the Old Testament was the Son of God who spoke and appeared.

So, from what I read from the Bible, there is no mention of God being ever-present. If you can find references to support it, let's be having them and we can discuss them further, respectfully of course!

Wow. STILL ascribing me with this 'ever-present' narrative. Pay attention. I do not hold to the 'ever-present' narrative. I'm beginning to think you won't read this one either.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Proverbs 15:3

3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

That shows that the Lord is omnipresent in location, but not in time. The word "present" suggested in the quote is an adjective. "The present" as a noun is a moment in time. The fact that God can be everywhere at once does not mean that He is in the past, present and future all at once. Try again.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Wow. STILL ascribing me with this 'ever-present' narrative. Pay attention. I do not hold to the 'ever-present' narrative. I'm beginning to think you won't read this one either.

I did! Probably a senior 74 year old moment on my part. Glad we cleared that one up. Fun debating it though. Being retired, I have not a lot else to do but to have fun debating on the forum and watching Prophecy Bingo on Youtube.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I did! Probably a senior 74 year old moment on my part. Glad we cleared that one up. Fun debating it though. Being retired, I have not a lot else to do but to have fun debating on the forum and watching Prophecy Bingo on Youtube.

Prophecy Bingo? What???

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Prophecy Bingo? What???

It is a series of Youtube videos where Chris Rosebrough of "Fighting For The Faith" has a bingo card full of Charismatic buzz words, and he, with his guests examine a number of prophetic videos where people have said they have a word from the Lord, to find out what the prophecies mean or whether they are just buzz word salads that have no real conclusion. The first person who gets a whole line on the bingo card wins. It is fun to watch, but a real eye opener to the many who say they have a word from the Lord, but are actually prophesying nonsense.

 

[RickReads]

That shows that the Lord is omnipresent in location, but not in time. The word "present" suggested in the quote is an adjective. "The present" as a noun is a moment in time. The fact that God can be everywhere at once does not mean that He is in the past, present and future all at once. Try again.

I didn't post any remarks on the issue, I just put the verse up for consideration.

Here`s another

Isaiah 57:15
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place.

While I would agree that the past is gone, not a hard conclusion to reach, time is a reality of this present world and is one of many temporary things that will pass away in my opinion. I don't believe time exists where God lives.

 

[Hillsage]

I get what you are saying, and very clearly through your "shouting" at me through your boldened words, and even though I feel kicked in the shins when you started missing the ball and started kicking me instead.

So, I said "very, very good" instead of just "very good". Well, too bad, how sad for me. After all, I'm not a good Christian at all, just a vile sinner saved by God's grace, therefore I fully agree with everything you say about me.

Well then, I'd say suck it up, because your so lucky. If your "shins" are all that hurt, then I missed. I was hoping to hit your heart. But, we can thank God that He does STILL save the saved, so there's hope even for "not good Christian"s

Sorry for the BOLD, Go back and count all the emoji's. Truth is, I never have found the 'yellow highlighter' option. So to this we have escalated, and here it will hopefully end....PLEASE.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I didn't post any remarks on the issue, I just put the verse up for consideration.

Here`s another

Isaiah 57:15
15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place.

While I would agree that the past is gone, not a hard conclusion to reach, time is a reality of this present world and is one of many temporary things that will pass away in my opinion. I don't believe time exists where God lives.

I understand what you are saying, but it is the way we measure the passage of time that is temporary, because once we don't have the sun, there will be no way to measure it in days, months and years. So when we get to eternity, there will no longer be time as we know it in terms of hours, days, months and years, because there will be no sun to act as the reference point.

But in eternity, we will be doing things, like being around the throne worshiping and praising God, and that shows action. It is just that we won't have any sense of time any more because we won't have a need to measure it. The reason why we measure time is that we know that there is not an endless supply of it for us. We have a beginning, a middle, and an end of life, and so we are aware of the time we have been alive, and the possible time we have left. But in eternity, we won't have those limitations so that our life will be eternity, with no end. But we will be doing things one after another. We won't be doing everything at the same instant for the rest of eternity. We will still have a memory of things past, doing things in the present, and looking forward to the future. Therefore past, present and future will not pass away because they are immutable. To say that there will be no past or future will be going off into fantasy. We will be like Sapphire and Steel, caught in a two dimensional square not being able to do anything or go anywhere.

 

[RickReads]

The Bible certainly said that God knows the end from the beginning, but certainly does not say that the end and the beginning are the same to Him. We don't know about the Father, because He is always represented by the Son and the Holy Spirit to us. We have heard the Father's voice twice in Scripture - at Jesus' baptism, and on the Transfiguration Mount. The Yahweh of the Old Testament was the pre-incarnate Jesus, because the Scripture says that no one has seen the Father at any time, so He could not have been the God of the Old Testament, and the only other God of the Old Testament was the Son of God who spoke and appeared.

I almost forgot, but congrats on your embrace of Oneness doctrine. As a suggestion, I recommend that you mention that the Father was in Jesus when He appeared as the Theophany. Otherwise, you could get falsely accused of being Jesus only.

Something interesting and I wish I could articulate it better, but I read some Messianic stuff years ago that said in the original language two Yahwehs are mentioned. It made me pay attention to places in the Old Testament King James that talk about God in the plural.

I got banned from a couple of Apostolic Google groups for trying to discuss it with them. I won't repeat what they said to me. LOL!

 

[RickReads]

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[iwbswiaihl]

Something interesting and I wish I could articulate it better, but I read some Messianic stuff years ago that said in the original language two Yahwehs are mentioned. It made me pay attention to places in the Old Testament King James that talk about God in the plural.

Just this statement: would the plural not be the Trinity? 3 in 1 and not the oil of today.


Just asking, not stating anything other than a question, thx

 

[iwbswiaihl]

Romans 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! I looked at the word "inscrutable" from this verse in an interlinear translation:
Romans 11:33

NAS – Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!
NA26 – Ὦ βάθος πλούτου καὶ σοφίας καὶ γνώσεως θεοῦ· ὡς ἀνεξεραύνητα τὰ κρίματα αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀνεξιχνίαστοι αἱ ὁδοὶ αὐτοῦ.
Lexical Parser:
#421
ἀνεξιχνίαστος
Transliteration
anexichníastos
Phonetics
an-ex-ikh-nee'-as-tos
Parts of Speech
Adjective
Origin
from (G1) (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of a compound of (G1537) and a derivative of (G2487)
TDNT
1:358,58
Translated Words NAS (2) - unfathomable, 2
Definition Thayer's that cannot be searched out, that cannot be comprehended

Strong's
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2487; not tracked out, that is, (by implication) untraceable: - past finding out, unsearchable.

Mounce's
unsearchable, incomprehensible

Seem to say about God "Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways"!

 

[RickReads]

Just this statement: would the plural not be the Trinity? 3 in 1 and not the oil of today.


Just asking, not stating anything other than a question, thx

The Holy Spirit does not receive the glory that The Father and Son receive. He was only active in the Prophets before Acts 2 as far as I know. God does not change which is why Revelation seems out of place. Jesus is shown behaving like the God of Israel in that book.

 

[iwbswiaihl]

The Holy Spirit does not receive the glory that The Father and Son receive. He was only active in the Prophets before Acts 2 as far as I know. God does not change which is why Revelation seems out of place. Jesus is shown behaving like the God of Israel in that book.

He was only active in the Prophets before Acts 2 as far as I know. Who is this? He you mention? The Holy Spirit? How about today?

 

[RickReads]

He was only active in the Prophets before Acts 2 as far as I know. Who is this? He you mention? The Holy Spirit? How about today?

Man, you're making me start to work. I hope you realize that.

As far as I know, before Acts 2, Pentecost, The Holy Spirit was only active in prophets, I say this per the Epistle of Peter.

After Pentecost, the Holy Spirit lives inside all of the saved. He is the soap that comes to clean you up.
And through Him, we are one with Christ and through Christ, we are one with the Father

 

[RickReads]

@iwbswiaihl

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

John 17
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

 

[Mark Quayle]

The Holy Spirit does not receive the glory that The Father and Son receive. He was only active in the Prophets before Acts 2 as far as I know. God does not change which is why Revelation seems out of place. Jesus is shown behaving like the God of Israel in that book.

The Gospel has always been the same; even in the Old Testament salvation was never by works, but by faith, and that faith has never been the kind that is generated by man, but by the Spirit of God.