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It's the only free will presented in Scripture.We don't share the same view of what free will is. To be able to decide what you want doesn't necessarily make it free will. If it is predetermined it is not free. Whether it is casual or not makes no difference.
It's the only free will presented in Scripture.
There is no other option.
Are you reading the testimony regarding the unregenerate man in 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8 or John 3:3?I kindly disagree. Are we reading the same Bible?
Are you reading the testimony regarding the unregenerate man in 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 8:7-8 or John 3:3?
If it is not predetermined it is chance.We don't share the same view of what free will is. To be able to decide what you want doesn't necessarily make it free will. If it is predetermined it is not free. Whether it is casual or not makes no difference.
If it is not predetermined it is chance.
You state this as fact. But honestly, and I think you should agree, this is a view you hold, not a fact.
Do you know how God created man? If not how can you be so sure? Where were you when God created the world?
It's just simple logic. If God (Omnipotent first cause with intent) did not cause a thing, the only alternative is chance, and God is rendered not-omnipotent.
Your logic is bigger than God?
Also I don't think you are honest with what your theory brings. If you are right no one is responsible for what they do. Sure God can unjustly hold us responsible (really cannot, since it goes against God's character, but a God can), but we are not responsible if you are right.
That is simple logic.
Btw, what you present is a false dilemma.
Remember that so far you have been unable to show how it is possible for anything (but God, first cause) to happen apart from causation. You have not shown how the self-contradictory notion of 'chance' is not the only alternative to first cause, if first cause is said to not cause all things. HOW is God not the cause of all things?
It is your logic that purports to be bigger than God. I can understand how you have a problem with what @Clare73 has been saying, that God imputes Adam's guilt upon those who did not do Adam's sin, but does not God have the right and can we say he is not just to consider guilty or even to wipe out whole nations, or even whole worlds of individual creatures for the corruption introduced by one member of that collective? So how is that any different from him holding individuals responsible for their own decisions —does he not cause both? HOW is God not the cause of all things?
If God causes all things, he can rightly hold us responsible for the choices we make. Your view elevates man to God's level. We are not only below him in status, and therefore it is legally beyond us to judge him. But we are also UNABLE to judge him —we are incompetent. We wouldn't know what we are talking about. We would be spouting gibberish. HOW is God not the cause of all things?
Unregenerate man is not free to see/choose/receive the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14), because his sinful mind is hostile to God (Romans 8:7-8) he cannot see (John 3:3).I don't see what that has to do with free will.
"Libertarianism holds onto a concept of free will that requires the agent to be able to take more than one possible course of action under a given set of circumstances."
Libertarianism (metaphysics) - Wikipedia.
Unregenerate man is not free to see/choose/receive the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14), because his sinful mind is hostile to God (Romans 8:7-8) he cannot see (John 3:3).
How did you miss that?
If the added step of regenerating the world was required before the Holy Spirit can convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement, it would be explicitly stated - its not.Unregenerate man is not free to see/choose/receive the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14), because his sinful mind is hostile to God (Romans 8:7-8) he cannot see (John 3:3).
How did you miss that?
Regeneration is about rebirth, faith and repentance.If the added step of regenerating the world was required before the Holy Spirit can convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement, it would be explicitly stated - its not.
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Rebirth always follows faith and repentance.Regeneration is about rebirth, faith and repentance.
John 16:8 does not include the term "God's righteousness" - it only says "righteousness". And Peter, led by the Holy Spirit, promises righteousness (remission of sins) in Acts 2:38-39 to those who repent and are baptized.Convincing the world of sin, of God's righteousness and judgment do not require rebirth.
All the condemned will be convinced of such without a rebirth, but it will not be a transforming conviction, only a conviction of their judgment.
That is confusing. Christ died for our sins or only Adam's sins? What about the doctrine of Justification?Rebirth always follows faith and repentance.
Was Peter on the day of Pentecost promoting a works based salvation when he proclaimed Acts 2:38-39? Unmistakably, the Holy Spirit speaking through Peter promises the remission of sins and gift of the Holy Spirit (this is arguably salvation) to those who repent and are baptized (in verse 38). Verse 39 says that that offer extends to today. In addition, the Lord's call goes out to all because God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30).That is confusing. Christ died for our sins or only Adam's sins? What about the doctrine of Justification?
Repentance necessary to rebirth seems to be "works" performed to gain salvation. Faith and redemption (justification) are by the Grace of God alone. Why confess to something that is "washed away?"
Perhaps Justification means something else in your hierarchy.
It seems to me to "repent of ignorance" which is not a sin. It is a condition. Repent of unbelief and have faith.Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
In Acts 17:30 Paul is speaking to the Greek Athenians and refers to their past as "these times of ignorance God overlooked". With the preaching of the Gospel in the New Covenant, God "now commands all men everywhere to repent". There is nothing in Acts 17:30 about "repent of ignorance". Acts 17:31 states why all men are to repent: God will judge the world through Jesus.It seems to me to "repent of ignorance" which is not a sin. It is a condition. Repent of unbelief and have faith.
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