What is the strong delusion God will send in the end time?

Exodus 8:2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
Exodus 8:3 And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
Exodus 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
Exodus 8:5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
Exodus 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Intreat the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.
Exodus 8:9 And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: when shall I intreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to destroy the frogs from thee and thy houses, that they may remain in the river only?
Exodus 8:11 And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.
Exodus 8:12 And Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh: and Moses cried unto the LORD because of the frogs which he had brought against Pharaoh.
Exodus 8:13 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and the frogs died out of the houses, out of the villages, and out of the fields.
Psalms 78:45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
Psalms 105:30 Their land brought forth frogs in abundance, in the chambers of their kings.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

I can't say what strong delusion is, it's against the rules of the forum.

Sorry don't ask, because I am not going to say!

JacobLaw said:

Exodus 8:2 And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs:
Exodus 8:3 And the river shall bring forth frogs abundantly, which shall go up and come into thine house, and into thy bedchamber, and upon thy bed, and into the house of thy servants, and upon thy people, and into thine ovens, and into thy kneadingtroughs:
Exodus 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
Exodus 8:5 And the LORD spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch forth thine hand with thy rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.
Exodus 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Intreat the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.
Exodus 8:9 And Moses said unto Pharaoh, Glory over me: when shall I intreat for thee, and for thy servants, and for thy people, to destroy the frogs from thee and thy houses, that they may remain in the river only?
Exodus 8:11 And the frogs shall depart from thee, and from thy houses, and from thy servants, and from thy people; they shall remain in the river only.
Exodus 8:12 And Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh: and Moses cried unto the LORD because of the frogs which he had brought against Pharaoh.
Exodus 8:13 And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; and the frogs died out of the houses, out of the villages, and out of the fields.
Psalms 78:45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.
Psalms 105:30 Their land brought forth frogs in abundance, in the chambers of their kings.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

I can't say what strong delusion is, it's against the rules of the forum.

Sorry don't ask, because I am not going to say!

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Don't worry, some of us know..

Shocker said:

Don't worry, some of us know..

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Isaiah 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.​

speak unto us smooth things.......
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out ..........

Douggg said:

God is not going to send UFO's as the strong delusion. UFO's arriving is not in bible prophecy of such craft arriving, coming and going, the occupants emerging from them and governing mankind in some sort of union. The little horn doesn't come from outer space, but from among a ten king kingdom.

For the type of scenario you are suggesting, there would have to be more detail in the bible than the few verses in Daniel 2 that you have built a complex scenario on. Something with UFO's and aliens might happen, but there is not enough information to build a scenario on it.

The strong delusion is that God will bring the slain Antichrist back to life - that people will believe the Antichrist's big lie that he is God in the flesh.

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Hi Douggg,
We've had some good discussions on other forums.

I want to confront this.....

The strong delusion is that God will bring the slain Antichrist back to life - that people will believe the Antichrist's big lie that he is God in the flesh.

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A good guess but I don't believe it because the man of sin is mentioned in 2 Thes. 2:8, and strong delusion is mentioned well after that in verse 11.

Something similar may be the case.

Strong delusion could be a few things. Since I believe the scriptures teach Islam is the religion of the beast, strong delusion could even be the promise of 72 virgins and a mansion with 72 bedrooms in paradise.....but I doubt it even though that is "strong delusion."

I think 'strong delusion' could be, "the acceptance of the miracle performing Islamic false prophet." Or the coming of, "The Muslim jesus." One thing I do know for sure. Strong delusion has nothing to do with Christians or the Church.

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

This verse is WHY God sends them Strong delusion. It has an Islamic twist to it. No person is more deceived than one who believes that Allah is the same god/God as Elohim/Jehova. Or that Muhammad is a true prophet of God. Or that the Koran is the word of God. Or that jesus (called the Muslim jesus) will return along with the Mahdi and be his subordinate.

Jihadist Muslims are deceived more than any people on earth. They think that they will dominate the earth by committing the abominations of the earth. And by doing that they and their families will receive special rewards in paradise "from Allah." The amount of virgins or special favors depends upon how big of an abomination they commit.

A lot of people don't know it but Islamic terrorism and their goal of world domination as well as suicide bombers are mentioned in the bible!

10s3r said in post 165:

Strong delusion could be a few things. Since I believe the scriptures teach Islam is the religion of the beast, strong delusion could even be the promise of 72 virgins and a mansion with 72 bedrooms in paradise.....but I doubt it even though that is "strong delusion."

I think 'strong delusion' could be, "the acceptance of the miracle performing Islamic false prophet." Or the coming of, "The Muslim jesus." One thing I do know for sure.

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Regarding Islam being the religion of the beast, note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), whereas the Antichrist will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms no man can be God, whereas the Antichrist will say he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly-apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.

10s3r said in post 165:

Strong delusion has nothing to do with Christians or the Church.

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It could delude even some Christians. For during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, he isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing he's the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' 2nd coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' 2nd coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he's Jesus returned. And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason it's important to know when and how the real Jesus' 2nd coming will happen (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who commanded people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), whereas Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is that Jesus confirmed that the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And he rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the 1st book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). Satan may be worshipped not as "Satan", which most everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could lie and say it's YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind.

Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could lie and say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

But the truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).

Bible2 said:

Regarding Islam being the religion of the beast, note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18),

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All and all you definitely present credible views, yet we have to agree to disagree regarding your view projecting the former to some future time out of touch from us today? The astounding thing is that I view that we are at the end of the symbolical 3.5 year worldwide reign (Rev.11:2, 3), and not in the future of course.

won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), whereas the Antichrist will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). And Islam affirms Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7). And Islam affirms the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And Islam (mistakenly) affirms no man can be God, whereas the Antichrist will say he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15). And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9). So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

Nonetheless, before Lucifer gives the Antichrist power over all nations (Revelation 13:4-7), the Antichrist and the man who will be his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be a secretly-apostate pope), could at first pretend to wholly support Islam in its current form (as well as Christianity), in order to start gaining a worldwide following.



It could delude even some Christians. For during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, he isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing he's the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' 2nd coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' 2nd coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he's Jesus returned. And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason it's important to know when and how the real Jesus' 2nd coming will happen (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who commanded people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), whereas Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is that Jesus confirmed that the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And he rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the 1st book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). Satan may be worshipped not as "Satan", which most everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could lie and say it's YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind.

Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could lie and say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

But the truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).

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Old Jack

If the delusion is not Paul, please tell me on a scale of 1-10 how transformed you are by the renewing of your mind? Are you a 3? Maybe very pious at 7? Perhaps a 9? With power?

peterlindner said:

If the delusion is not Paul, please tell me on a scale of 1-10 how transformed you are by the renewing of your mind? Are you a 3? Maybe very pious at 7? Perhaps a 9? With power?

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How can you be a Christian when you are constantly trying to refute Paul?

Shocker said:

How can you be a Christian when you are constantly trying to refute Paul?

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If I weigh the same as a duck, and I float...I must be a heretic?

Jesus is the way, the truth, the life.

Paul serves the angel of God.

I'm not trying. I have refuted Paul. And yes, there probably isn't a church that would have me. I would describe Thomas as a Christian as well as the others that were in the boat with him when Peter jumped out.

The Christians disobeyed Jesus. Instead of going out with money in their purse, they pooled their resources (just in case God didn't come through for them). Not only that, they killed Ananias and his wife when they didn't fully buy in to Paul's Joel Osteen message of "seed planting" and "charity". The catholic church has been using fear to fill their coffers ever since.

When God removes the scales from the eyes of the church, the mountains (ear wax) will melt, the adamah will tremble, and all people will see His glory.

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When Paul was less “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” in his writings he wrote as is noted in this link to>- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48 that he had wished that any “Judaizers” who taught that the circumcision of one's flesh was necessary to obtain salvation in Jesus, would further “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]castrate[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” themselves[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As Paul[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]matured[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” beyond his earlier writings such as [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in ~AD48 [/FONT]he then cogently discussed the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chastening[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the Lord in his writings below, that obviously helped him in his “maturing” process, even though from his further writings his personality obviously continued to be a fiery-one on various occasions.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Corinthians 9:27 - - But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Corinthians 11:32 - - But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – 2Corinthians 6:9 - - As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 12:7 - - OR - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 7 Or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited (arrogant-prideful), I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Satan[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], to torment me. 8 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Three times[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now let us consider the next excerpt statement from the previous Post #137 in light of the “obviousness” of our Shekhinah Father Creator's eternal-purity and infinite-love and patience towards His prodigal children, - -[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{whose infinite love in past ages has encouraged the heavenly host of angels to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we &#8220;all&#8221; might see someday as seen in the image &#8220;NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif&#8221; that is attached within another thread at this link to>- Post #63 @ <>http:// www. christianforums. com/ t7756553-7/#post63771233<>} - - [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]VERSUS the &#8220;obviousness&#8221; of Beelzebub's cruel hatred to seduce or possess some to become perverse in order to cause their waywardness to kill themselves after a &#8220;horrible&#8221; time of &#8220;suffering&#8221;. This is what occurred with his prodigal &#8220;chosen&#8221; people in 70AD, and in our modern day also occurs with many sufferings for sexually-promiscuous-prodigals, and similar sufferings occurred more rampantly in ancient times throughout other &#8220;idolatrous&#8221; cultures who had never been taught the "wisdom" of their Creator's laws and ways and vision for us "all".[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that whenever someone or an entire culture becomes obliviously demonically-trained or possibly &#8220;totally-possesed&#8221;, then their Father God's infinite mercy is seen in Paul's teaching in - - 1Corinthians 5:5 - - that encourages - - To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be (eternally) saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that because of the destruction of their flesh the following scriptures might then also be fulfilled for the sake of these persons and all others who they could have mentored with their &#8220;errs&#8221;.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][Luke 9:55 - - But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. & 2Peter 2:4 - - Putting them in chains . . . & Jude 1:6 - - Bound with everlasting chains.][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NOW let us consider the next excerpted statement from the previous Post #137 that is likely identical as to how most Calvinistic theology would teach about our eternal Heavenly Father's vision for His &#8220;eternal&#8221; creations.[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 5:44-48[+++] doesn't mean God loves all his enemies, for he hates his nonelect enemies (Romans 9:11-13[+]).

It's not hypocritical for God to tell us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44[+++]) while he hates his nonelect enemies (Romans 9:11-13[+]). For just as God as Creator has the right to create some people to be nonelect vessels of his wrath (Romans 9:20-22[++]) and other people to be elect vessels of his mercy (Romans 9:23[++]), so God as Creator has the right to hate the nonelect and love the elect (Romans 9:11-13[+]). [/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 9:11-13[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]11 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][++: Romans 9:20-23 - - 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.][/FONT]


[+++: Click-Link to Matthew 5:44-48 - - Be ye therefore perfect (mature), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Please "consider" the three scriptures [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]have been posted after the excerpt given above, whereby we all need to again &#8220;remind&#8221; ourselves of Peter's cogent admonitions in order to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NOT[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] allow our efforts to fulfill 2 Peter 3:16 as some others have "oftentimes" been seduced to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]stray[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have come before us.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][Luke 9:55 - - But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. & 2Peter 2:4 - - Putting them in chains . . . & Jude 1:6 - - Bound with everlasting chains.][/FONT]

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Hi all,

I re-posted the above for clarity to elaborate on another's post.

Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Christ Jesus
AJCServant

Regarding Islam being the religion of the beast, note that the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), won't support Islam in its past and current form, insofar as Islam affirms Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 4:171), whereas the Antichrist will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).

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Sorry to say Bible2 but...

You're a good example of someone who has fallen for a big bundle of lies about Islam. Muslims hold to three different views about Jesus. The truest of those views comes from the greatest adherents of Islam in the Mid-East.

That's the greatest bundle of lies that Islam and the devil wants Christians to believe. They want you to believe they are "Jesus friendly." There's too much to get into in your post but let me say this.

Islam is anti-Christ as it fulfills the biblical criteria for ANTI-cHRIST.

Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God? Many mosque also have the same inscription.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Another man said,

"The Qur&#8217;an also adamantly denies that Jesus is divine (Sura 5:17,75) and says that he is no more than an apostle (4:171; 5:75; 43:59, 63-64). The Qur&#8217;an&#8217;s claim that Jesus is not the Son of God (9:30) runs starkly in contrast to Jesus&#8217; own claim to divine sonship at his trial (Mk 14:61-64), which led to him being crucified on a blasphemy charge. The Islamic Scriptures also deny that Jesus died on the cross (Sura 4:157) and also, by implication, that he was resurrected."

And Islam affirms Christ is in the flesh, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will deny Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7).

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The Koran does mention Jesus and believe He's a prophet. That's great only that Muslim's also believe Jesus is the subordinate of the Mahdi. They say Jesus is coming only to get Christians on earth to submit to Islam so that the entire earth can be Islamic. They deny his deity, crucifixion, and resurrection. They tell you he didn't rise from the dead....only that he didn't really die from the crucifixion in the first place.

Another man said,

The Muslim religion is one of the fastest growing religions of the world, if not the fastest. Among its many differences with Christianity is that it denies the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Whether Muslims believe in a substitution theory (another person was crucified in Jesus' place), ascension theory (Jesus was rescued from the cross and ascended to heaven), or swoon theory (Jesus did not actually die while on the cross and survived the rigors of the crucifixion), each one of them clearly denies the death of Jesus by crucifixion. This Islamic belief is not just something that Muslims conjured up in response to Christianity. Instead, the Qur&#8217;an clearly denies the crucifixion of Jesus in Surah 4:157-158 which says, &#8220;. . . they [the Jews] said (in boast), &#8216;We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah&#8217; &#8211; But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not &#8211; Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself.
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And Islam affirms the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the Antichrist (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).

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Can't you see that that's just what the devil wants you to believe? I shouldn't even have to spend time debunking that idea. I wish I could just post links.

And Islam (mistakenly) affirms no man can be God, whereas the Antichrist will say he's God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).

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So what does what they mistakenly believe prove?
The man of sin is the political side of the demonic duo anyway. His false prophet counterpart attaches him to the religion of Islam. Remember too that the mark of the beast is also attributed to the false prophet and not the man of sin.

And Islam forbids the worship of any images (Koran 21:52, Koran 6:74), whereas the Antichrist will have an image made of himself to be worshipped (Revelation 13:15).

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I hate to say it Bible2 and please take no offense but you've been fooled.

We believe that Jesus Christ takes away our sins and is the Rock of Ages and the chief cornerstone of the Churches foundation. The greatest abomination of idolatry today is when Muslim's bow toward a black rock in Mecca 5 times a day and believe it takes away their sins. This black rock is the 'cornerstone' of the Kaaba. This would result in over a million prostrations in a lifetime. Also take a look at what the word worship means in the book of Revelation in Relation to the beast...

to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication

Muslim's consider it a holy relic and a literal cornerstone that is part of Muslim worship. The origins of the dark stone remains a mystery to not only Muslims but geologists, scientists and historians alike.

The Black Stone of Ka&#8217;aba - al-Hajr al-Aswad

The Black Stone is a Muslim relic, which according to Islamic tradition dates back to the time of Adam and Eve. Historical research claims that the Black Stone marked the Kaaba as a place of worship during pre-Islamic pagan times.

It is the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

The Stone is a dark rock, polished smooth by the hands of millions of pilgrims, that has been broken into a number of fragments cemented into a silver frame in the side of the Kaaba.

Although it has often been described as a meteorite, this hypothesis is still under consideration.

Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj.

Many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone, emulating the kiss that Islamic tradition records that it received from the Islamic Prophet Muhammad. If they cannot reach it, they point to it on each of their seven circuits around the Kaaba."

And Islam rejects Lucifer (Satan) as being evil, whereas the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9).

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Where have you been! Is this just another coincidence...

The word 'Halal' in Hebrew has the same meaning in Arabic.... 'Hilal'
And it means....
Web definition

Hilal is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol!

Halal and Hilal means... Lucifer...Satan...the devil... and in Christian literature actually means... The Morning Star and Crescent Moon. Allah is also known as a moon god in Arabic mythology! I can explain this more later. We put crosses on top of Churches. Islam has a star and crescent moon on top their mosque which actually looks like two horns.

So the Antichrist's religion during his 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be Islam in its past and current form, but a blend of Luciferianism and Gnosticism.

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It takes decades to establish even the smallest religion. What scriptures make you think that a religion of Luciferianism and Gnosticism is the kind of religion the prophecies support?

One method of persecution found in the book of Revelation is beheading. The preferred method of Rome was burning. Islam is the only religion today that utilizes beheading as a form of persecution. They even use it on their own family members.
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10s3r said in post 172:

Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God?

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Even though Islam (in its current form) won't be the religion of the Antichrist during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign, Islam could be, since the latter half of the 7th century AD, Revelation 17:10's seventh empire (the Antichrist's empire will be a different, still-future, 8th empire: Revelation 17:11). Also, because Islam falsely claims the anti-gospel Koran came through the angel Gabriel, it's one fulfillment of Galatians 1:8-9 (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:14).

Islam is an anti-gospel religion because, even though it affirms Jesus is the Christ (e.g. Koran 4:157, Koran 5:17,75), it (as you pointed out) denies Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (Koran 9:30, Koran 4:171, Koran 5:72); and it denies he died on the Cross for our sins (Koran 4:157) and rose from the dead on the 3rd day. In order to be saved, people have to believe the gospel that Jesus is both the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 3:16,36; 1 John 2:23), and that he died on the Cross for our sins and rose from the dead on the 3rd day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

The reason why it's necessary to believe these things in order to be saved is because it was only as the human/divine Son of God that Jesus' suffering during his Passion could satisfy God the Father's justice (Isaiah 53:11), which requires an infinite amount of human suffering for sin (Matthew 25:46).

Jesus' suffering during his Passion was sufficient to forgive the sins of everyone (1 John 2:2) because Jesus isn't just a human but also God (John 1:1,14, John 10:30, John 20:28). His soul is infinite, and so the suffering of his soul (Isaiah 53:11) was infinite in amount, even though it wasn't infinite in duration. And so his suffering could satisfy God the Father's justice (Isaiah 53:11, KJV; 1 Peter 3:18), which requires an infinite amount of human suffering for sin (Matthew 25:46). Because humans who aren't God have finite souls, for them to suffer an infinite amount for their sins, they must suffer over an infinite duration of time (Matthew 25:46, Revelation 14:10-11, Mark 9:46).

Every human has sinned (Romans 3:23), except Jesus (Hebrews 4:15b; 2 Corinthians 5:21). But because Jesus suffered for sins (1 Peter 3:18, Isaiah 53:11) an infinite amount, when the elect repent from their sins and believe in Jesus' human/divine sacrifice, they can have their past sins forgiven (Romans 3:25-26, Matthew 26:28), while God the Father's justice remains fully satisfied by Jesus' suffering for their sins (Isaiah 53:11, KJV; 1 Peter 3:18).

One way to help Muslims understand how Jesus can be God, from everlasting, is to question them about their understanding of the Muslim belief regarding the Koran. For Islam says there was no time when the Koran didn't exist in a spiritual form in heaven, that it's always coexisted with Allah as his word. So Christians can show Muslims the Bible says before Jesus' incarnation there was no time when he didn't exist in a spiritual form in heaven. He has always coexisted with God the Father as God the Word (John 1:1,14).

This isn't to suggest the Muslim claim regarding the Koran is true, or that the book itself is true. Indeed, (again) because Islam falsely claims the anti-gospel Koran came through the angel Gabriel, it's one fulfillment of Galatians 1:8-9 (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:14).

10s3r said in post 172:

Islam is the only religion today that utilizes beheading as a form of persecution.

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Note that beheading isn't limited to Muslims. The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"), who won't be a Muslim, could employ beheading as his preferred method of execution (Revelation 20:4) for the same reason that atheists employed beheading in the French Revolution (using guillotines): in order to instill terror in people who would oppose his rule. For beheading is the most graphic and bloody (i.e. the visually most shocking) way to kill people.

Also, the Antichrist could employ beheading for the same reason that the ancient pagan Romans employed it: because it's painless. The Romans employed it whenever they executed a Roman citizen, such as Paul the apostle (Acts 21:39, Acts 22:25-29), who was beheaded when he was executed by the Romans (Tertullian, Scorpiace, chapter 15). People who weren't Roman citizens, such as Jesus Christ and Peter the apostle, were executed by the very painful method of crucifixion (Tertullian, Scorpiace, chapter 15). I.e., the Antichrist could claim that he's beheading people because he's such a good guy, he doesn't want to cause them any pain; he just needs to remove them from the scene so they won't (in his words) "hinder the progress of humanity to a higher spiritual level".

Also, the Antichrist could employ beheading because he could have grown up surrounded by Muslims. I.e. since his childhood, he could have been aware of beheading as being claimed to be a very religious act (i.e. in Islamic jihad: Islamic "holy war"). And the Antichrist himself could have grown up as a Druze Arab, in Lebanon, in the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4). And the Druze religion is quasi-Islamic.

The Druze religion is different from Islam in that it's waiting for the 2nd coming of a God-man named Hakim. The Antichrist's last name could be Hakim, and he could at first present himself to the Druze people as the fulfillment of the 2nd coming of this God-man. In this way, he could get the Druze to support him without question during an initial rise to power among the Arabs. The Druze Arabs could be the numerically "small people" of Daniel 11:23. The Antichrist could make them his completely-devoted bodyguard, and buy them many key positions of power within a future United Arab States (which the Antichrist could become the leader of in the 1st stage of his world takeover), and employ the Druze as loyal spies and assassins at every level of his United Arab government and military.

The Druze religion is very secretive. What it teaches to its higher-level initiates isn't even taught to its lower-level initiates. What it could teach to its higher-level initiates could basically be Gnosticism mixed in with the Hakim God-man idea. The Antichrist himself, while outwardly a Druze, could inwardly be a Gnostic Luciferian. He could be a highest-level initiate of a worldwide secret society which ultimately teaches Gnostic Luciferianism, but keeps this a secret even from its own members who haven't been initiated into its highest level.

10s3r said:

Sorry to say Bible2 but...

You're a good example of someone who has fallen for a big bundle of lies about Islam. Muslims hold to three different views about Jesus. The truest of those views comes from the greatest adherents of Islam in the Mid-East.

That's the greatest bundle of lies that Islam and the devil wants Christians to believe. They want you to believe they are "Jesus friendly." There's too much to get into in your post but let me say this.

Islam is anti-Christ as it fulfills the biblical criteria for ANTI-cHRIST.

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I pray this is a [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]teaching moment[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] for a few “converted” believers with hearts who continually “empathize” with Jesus' plight concerning all of His continually wayward, hard-hearted and stiff-necked sheep.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Also I pray that all of our posts would eventually be "fruitful" to "glorify" God, “Insha'Allah”, i.e. “as-God-wills” in Arabic.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]After reading these previous “views” I must wonder how these semi-truthful but also somewhat semi-bigoted and therefore semi-slanderous views towards "entire" cultures might ever be considered “fruitful” in “glorifying” our Shekhinah Father in Heaven, and how they might fulfill the Great Commission OR the Golden Rule OR the Great Commandment by training “virtuous” disciples “within” “ALL” nations, since instead, IMHO, they obviously do not fulfill the following scriptures in a “fruitful” way:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Looking for that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blessed hope[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]glorious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]i.e. fruitful[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif])[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3:10&18 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And so these two previous posts, or "interesting" “musings”, IMHO, continue to fulfill the "worst-case" [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]of the two posts I gave previously that are re-posted below [/FONT]since they have very little faith-that-works-by-love and they do NOT speak much truth with any love [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]within them towards "anyone".[/FONT][/FONT]

See

Galatians 5:6

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Ephesians 4:15

AJCServant said:

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Hi all,[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpt and scripture into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes seduced some to fulfill 2 Peter 3:16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].

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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A strong delusion occurs whenever ones “heart” is far removed from mentoring others with God's love, and His life strengthening prudence.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 29:13-14[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]but have removed their [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]far from me[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and their fear toward me is taught by the ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]doctrines-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 29 ESV[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - The Siege of Jerusalem[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The previous scripture above, Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]29:13-14, was most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviously[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] fulfilled in 70AD whenever the Jews were celebrating their “mandatory” feast days at Jerusalem “while” being surrounded by the Roman army.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Jewish Nation's “corporate” blindness that led to 70AD historically took root after the Babylonian Captivity whenever some “religious” “legalistic” scribes were “allowed” to use various scriptures as their authoritative proof-texts without others effectively voicing themselves concerning how the character and nature of God was being portrayed via those proof-texts. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Heavenly Father had obviously “allowed” these wayward texts to be published as “tares” within the scriptures - simply to train His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to learn to discern eternally holy doctrines that would promote God's holiness and love and vision for “all” of ones “neighbors” [+] from “demonic-doctrines-of-men” that do not.
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Scripture teaches that Jesus is continually praying throughout His leadership's siftings and chastenings, in order that they would be taught the importance of continually converting and mentoring others to pursue loving-holiness towards &#8220;all&#8221; while simultaneously resisting all evil, &#8220;if&#8221; they would pray to remain one of His chosen ambassadors into the eternity ahead of them. Because of the Savior's prayers His mighty angels are continuously fulfilling [/FONT]2 Chronicles 16:9 without any favoritism within any culture or lineage, until &#8220;all&#8221; of His children would have matured and 1Corinthians 13:8-10 and Revelation 21 would be fulfilled and seen in the earth.

The results of Jesus' prayerful efforts would be that His children would have learned to work in concert with His Spirit to bring forth a best-case fulfillment of all apocalyptic &#8220;prophetic-scripture&#8221;, i.e. a best-case fulfillment of the Greek word katarge&#333; in 1Corinthians 13:8, e.g. katarge&#333; concerning Isaiah 17, Nahum 1:1 &15c, Zephaniah 1:2,18c and 2:9. All the while the evil one, the devil Beelzebub, works to bring forth a worst-case fulfillment of all &#8220;prophetic-scripture&#8221;, by using the blasphemies, slanders, self-righteous bigotries, and Laodicean lethargy that all doctrines-of-men continually promote, whenever some wayward teachers have blindly used the Holy scriptures to multiply their sins towards God. As Paul was duped to do prior to his seeing Christ Jesus, and immediately he became a converted-universalist.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Revelation 21 reveals that at the end of this age every hardened soul who would have continually refused to receive the Gospel of the Kingdom into their hearts are destined to be left behind when Jesus' joint-heirs would be evacuated; and these few evil souls would then suffer for ages whenever a near earth nova would again sterilize the earth for a lengthy season. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Similarly to how judgment upon Jerusalem and its Church there was able to be minimized via the efforts of Jesus' Church prior to 70AD, what is being accomplished in our generation is again in the hands of Jesus' Holy Church, much more than in the hands of God's Holy Angels who are mighty in power but limited in number. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Because our Father God knows each of His children's fears and weaknesses, let us each pray that the Comforter would encourage God's ambassadors to be courageous and prudent, in order that they would pursue God's Holiness in a way that very soon the gates of hell will not prevail against the assaults by Jesus' Church. Only then would our Father God be glorified to our uttermost, and His ambassadors would have prepared the earth for Jesus' to reveal His New Jerusalem as a Day-Star in the eastern sky amidst the clouds of Heaven, at which time His &#8220;mercy will have triumphed over judgments&#8221; to the Glory of God the Father. [James 2:13] (Mark 14:62; Habakkuk 2:14) (2Peter 1:4; Revelation 12:11, 21:27)[/FONT]

So I post these narratives with the hope that some who might read them would be like the Bereans, and so these views might improve upon one's previous understandings, after some souls would prayerfully consider them in-context with our Father God's infinite love concerning all of His prodigal creatures, and His sovereignty over the choices He is continually making concerning every soul He has ever created and placed within this fallen world, in order to continually improve upon it throughout the eternity ahead of us all. [1 Corinthians 15:35-44]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So as a [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]teaching moment[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and recognizing that &#8220;IF&#8221; more would never be taught to NOT remain stiff-necked and hard-hearted in our pivotal generation, and would then learn from our Lord's &#8220;judgments&#8221; throughout history, might anyone else be concerned that we could repeat history?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that &#8220;perhaps&#8221; in the worst case via the Lord's &#8220;sovereign&#8221; choosing to strengthen His Kingdom eternally with the many Holy [+] angelic coverings He must choose to prudently allocate throughout the whole earth, [See [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Job 1:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif],[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:6[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]], the following scripture would again become fulfilled towards our own Laodicean generation, who apparently has little heart to become Jesus' courageous and virtuous ambassador/missionaries towards many others in our world?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jeremiah 25:8-9 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words, behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the Lord, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Simply[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] because our battles in the flesh and in our thoughts and in our views have never truly been against flesh and blood, but have been against powers in the spiritual realm that influence His many many prodigal children to make bad choices and to accept untrue views about the eternal character and &#8220;vision&#8221; and &#8220;ongoing&#8221; sacrificial efforts of our Shekhinah Father God in Heaven; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and also untrue views about His many many other children in many cultures around the world who are "agape-loving" others in spite of the many "oppressions" that more easily occur from a poor understanding about our Heavenly Father's agape-love and eternal-vision for us all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ultimately, to whom much has been entrusted much is required. [[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 12:48[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. In spite of opposing views and focus for each of our life-efforts, I continually pray that &#8220;all&#8221; of these posts will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would &#8220;consider&#8221; the truths therein.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]


PS - My hope and prayer is that the Lord would use "all" of our efforts to cause some converts to "love" Him and "all" others more. Especially those within cultures that historically have been more blinded to the whole-truth concerning our Holy God's character, nature and vision for us all, since these peoples have "possibly" been more blinded than our own, simply because of the Devil's more obvious fascism within those cultures that has ruthlessly crushed the simple gospel truth about our Holy [+] God from being taught in a pure way to others.

[+: Holy defined is, "set apart for service" to mankind.]

At the end of this age many of these who many American's would consider to have been last into Jesus' Kingdom will have become first in their authority and closeness to the Heavenly Father's throne room and many of those considered to have been the first into Jesus' Kingdom will have become last in their authority and closeness to our Heavenly Father, since Jesus taught that this would inevitably occur before the final judgement.

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PS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My fervent prayer are that some would take time to consider becoming a more integral-part in working alongside the heavenly host of highly educated and technological angels that sacrificed for ages to build the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the attached image to Post [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]#[/FONT]63 “[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” at <>http://www.christianforums.com/t7756553-7/#post63771233<> and as taught in Revelation 21 and by a Holy (i.e. set-apart-for-service) and faith-filled Paul in Colossians 1:20.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in the aforementioned gif file, what radically enlightened me to Beelzebub's powerfully enslaving “hatred” towards our Shekhinah Creator's vision for us all, was in the fact that the tallest pyramid that has ever been constructed by God's enslaved children was exactly 1.2 Greek Olympic “stadia” on each edge, which is exactly 1/10,000th the dimensions of New Jerusalem in Revelation 21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Also the pyramids in the Mid-East became tombs for ancient rulers who set themselves up as gods, and those in Central and South America became heinous platforms for innocent human sacrifices to occult demons who also set themselves up as gods. So let us pray for vision wisdom strength and courage and rise up and overcome evil with good as we would proclaim the simplicity of the Gospel of Christ Jesus, and thereby work alongside the Heavenly Host in a much greater way in annihilating the works of the devil in our earth. His Kingdom come His will be done in the earth as it is done in Heaven, Amen, come quickly Lord Jesus.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>PPPS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13 - - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT]


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After reading these previous &#8220;views&#8221; I must wonder how these semi-truthful but also somewhat semi-bigoted and therefore semi-slanderous views towards "entire" cultures might ever be considered &#8220;fruitful&#8221; in &#8220;glorifying&#8221; our Shekhinah Father in Heaven, and how they might fulfill the Great Commission OR the Golden Rule OR the Great Commandment by training &#8220;virtuous&#8221; disciples &#8220;within&#8221; &#8220;ALL&#8221; nations, since instead, IMHO, they obviously do not fulfill the following scriptures in a &#8220;fruitful&#8221; way:

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This isn't an attack on an entire culture of people. It's an exposition of the truth about the end-time beast. I'm here to say the end-time demonic duo doesn't come from within the Church like many Protestants believe! Just think. Most Protestants will tell you that the apostasy is heresy or being 'lukewarm', and occurs within the Church and will accept the man of sin.

Did you notice I'm Catholic? My Church has been stigmatized as the origin of the end-time beast(s) by the Protestants for 600 years! I've dealt with people demonizing my Church for over 12 years on forums. If you have a problem with bigotry on my part, maybe a good look at the goals of Islam and the things Islam is doing in the world today, and how the scriptures support it in the end.

The Catholic Church is persecuted more by Muslim's than any other Church and is the greatest evangelizer of the Islamic world too.
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"Strong delusion."

Let me show you a little of it in the bible...


"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, (suicide vest)

...and of jacinth, (dark red)....

From Vines....

Jacinth:
signifies "hyacinthine," perhaps primarily having the color of the hyacinth. Some regard its color as that of the martagon lily, a dusky red. According to Swete, the word in Rev 9:17 is "doubtless meant to describe the blue smoke of a sulphurous flame."

and brimstone:.... (explosion) This is the only place the word 'brimstone' Strongs #2306 is used in the NT. The word brimstone, Strongs # 2303 is used 7 times. #2306 comes from 2303 and is said, "(in its original sense of flashing)"

and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; (Babylonians) and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone."

John even tells us how many jihadist there are in the world when this happens.

In 2006-7 Daniel Pipes was asked the question how many jihadist he thought there were in the world. He said there were 300 million jihadist and 400 million radicals in the world. I thought that number to be a bit high on the jihadist but close on the radicals.

"And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
That would be 200 million.

Hi all,

Scripture is plain to teach that the "only" hope that our pivotal generation might have to "glorify" God as He deserves, and that we would not be "eternally" ashamed as previous generations in various cultures became, is that we would teach others to strive to work in concert with Jesus' Holy Spirit to fulfill The Great Commandment towards our Heavenly Father, and therefore The Golden Rule and The Great Commission towards "all" others.

I posted this earlier and now post it again to encourage "mentoring" solutions that would assist in our Father God's efforts towards "all" prodigals OR evil-doers, rather than mentoring non-solutions that exacerbate the many evils that is due to our Laodicean arrogance in our pivotal generation.

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Is anyone reading this thread &#8220;ready&#8221; for the blessed hope to occur today by having prepared their heart and soul and body and their surrounding cultures for that glorious event?

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]i.e. Titus 2:13 [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious (i.e. fruitful) appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

AND OR

Is anyone reading this thread proclaiming the good news of God's love for prodigal sinners?

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John 8:31-32 - - To the Judeans who had believed him, Jesus said, &#8220;If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.&#8221;

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Matthew 4:19 - - Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.

Ephesians 6:12 - - For our struggle is not against flesh and blood . . . but against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


Every Christian should be willing to take-up "arms" if necessary to "defend" oneself or others against demon-possessed evil-doers, but when more believers would "strive" to do their duty to proclaim and mentor the good news gospel of Christ Jesus to Muslims and "all" men, the Heavenly Host will then more-easily do their assigned tasks in working alongside Jesus to sift chasten and prune His joint-heirs in training, and "eventually" to destroy "all" the works of the-devil in the earth, as this has been His vision for our world from the beginnings of this present age.

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The Heavenly Host is not slack, but we oftentimes are slack in being the peacemakers and proclaimers of the good news that Jesus has commanded us each to become.


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 9:55[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] But Jesus turned and rebuked them and said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Peter 2:4[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Putting them in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chains[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] . . . [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]& [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jude 1:6[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - Bound with everlasting [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chains[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].] [/FONT]


Has anyone reading this thread been taught any of these views by the Holy Spirit?

Strong delusion won't happen in our lifetime

But it is either a idol men believe comes to life or a man everyone is convince is Yahuwah

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Strong delusion won't happen in our lifetime

But it is either a idol men believe comes to life or a man everyone is convince is Yahuwah

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There is a 'strong' possibility that IIThess.2:10b (Rev. chapter 9) sadly is coming to pass right this moment?

Old Jack