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What is the strong delusion God will send in the end time?

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Alfred Persson said in post 260:

Many do believe a third temple will be built, I do not.

Note that Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require there will be a 3rd Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple will coexist with the church like the 2nd temple did (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and like the temple building in heaven does (Revelation 11:19). The 3rd temple could be built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount by the ultra-Orthodox Jews after they (or great earthquakes) clear the site by destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. Shortly after they build the temple, the Antichrist could attack and defeat them and a false Messiah leading them (Daniel 11:22).

Then the Antichrist could "cut" a peace treaty with them and their false "Messiah" (Daniel 9:26a, Daniel 11:23a), permitting them to keep the temple, and to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of it, for at least 7 more years (Daniel 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Revelation 11:2a) to the Muslims, so the Muslims can rebuild the Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount and resume worship there. The ultra-Orthodox Jews could grudgingly agree to this, if the only other option is for them to lose the temple entirely. They could then build a high wall between the temple and the mosque, in order to keep the temple from being "defiled".

But then, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 9:27b, Daniel 11:31, Matthew 24:15), and then sit himself in the temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

At the very end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, the Antichrist (Daniel 11:45) and the world's armies will pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21). And at the 2nd coming there will be tremendous earth changes in the vicinity of Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:4-5). These events could result in all of Jerusalem's structures, including the 3rd temple and the Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall), being broken down so that not one stone will be left on another (Luke 19:44, Matthew 24:2). Then the returned Jesus (Zechariah 14:4, Acts 1:11-12) will rebuild Jerusalem and make it the capital of the world (Zechariah 14:8-19, Micah 4:1-4). He will also build a 4th temple there (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). It will serve a similar function for the church during the future millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) as the 2nd temple served for the church in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17) and as the temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19) serves for those in heaven (Revelation 7:15).

Alfred Persson said in post 260:

The temple of God the "man of sin" rises up in, is the church.

Note that while the church as a whole is indeed a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it isn't the only temple of God. For it coexists with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus' individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). That's why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in his temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the 2nd temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This isn't to say the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old-Covenant-Mosaic-law 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus and his once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

Alfred Persson said in post 260:

The temple of God the "man of sin" rises up in, is the church.

The Antichrist will fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4 after he by force takes control of a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stops the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of it, and has the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing android image of the Antichrist) set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

The Antichrist could then make quite a show of his sitting himself in the temple and declaring himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31). In a television and internet broadcast which will be seen live by the world, he could first be shown entering the temple's most holy place in magnificent golden robes. He could then step up to the Ark of the Covenant (which could have been discovered, and placed in the temple by the Jews) and lift the Mercy Seat off of the Ark, showing the Ark to be empty. He could then look into the camera and say: "Where's YHWH? He's not here! He's a distant fraud! His power on this earth is as hollow as this empty Ark!" (The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH: Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36.)

Then the Antichrist could raise the Mercy Seat high above his head only to suddenly smash it down violently to the ground, breaking it into pieces. The piped-in sound of crowds roaring with approval could then be heard in the background. Then the Antichrist could place his hands on the Ark and stare into the camera: "WE can do better than this". He could then knock over the Ark and stamp it with his foot, bashing in its side. Two of the Antichrist's followers in robes could then quickly come in and clear away the rubble of the Mercy Seat and the Ark, while 4 more men in robes carry into the temple's most holy place a magnificent golden throne and place it right where the Ark had been before. All the men could then bow down and motion with their arms for the Antichrist to sit on the throne. He could then grandly take his seat upon it.

Glorious symphonic music could then swell as the sound of crowds roaring with approval increases. Then the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be an apostate pope) could enter the temple's most holy place and approach the Antichrist carrying a majestic golden crown encrusted with large diamonds and all kinds of precious stones. The Antichrist could take the crown from the pope's hands, and as the Antichrist is placing the crown on his own head, a camera could zoom in on his face as he says: "I AM THAT I AM. I AM YOUR GOD. Worship me, all ye nations of the earth!"

(cf. Revelation 13:8, Daniel 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
 
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Alfred Persson said in post 260:

The fallen angels Michael kicks out of heaven, will back this dude and his claims. Their precise message is found everywhere on the internet, the ufo contactee cults are already preaching their gospel.

Its only a matter of time before they appear, likely soon. I connect to that, everything that has happened in the US, the engineered collapse, the NSA spying apparatus, the alien tech or covert tech that looks like alien tech, British bio tech, will all come together to create an idolatrous image that can speak and cause to be killed any who don't worship the beast.

The "image of the beast" (Revelation 13:15) could be an android image of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) which the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 13:11-16, Revelation 19:20) could cause to be made after the Antichrist receives a terrible head wound (Revelation 13:3,14b). For this injury could leave the Antichrist's facial and bodily appearance permanently marred, and could render him unable to speak clearly, like someone after a bad stroke, so that the Antichrist won't want to appear or speak in public again.

Did you ever see that movie "Dave"? It had a President who was in a coma, so his handlers found a regular guy who looked exactly like the President, and had him be a public stand-in for the President. He was able to speak just like the President did. It could be like that with the Antichrist's image. It could be the Antichrist's "Dave", his double, that appears and speaks (Revelation 13:15) before the world instead of his wounded self. But instead of letting people think the Antichrist's android image is the Antichrist himself, the False Prophet could tell people from the beginning that the image isn't the Antichrist himself, but still fully represents him.

In Revelation 13:15, the original Greek word translated as "life" or "breath" (pneuma, G4151) can mean "spirit" in the sense of consciousness (1 Corinthians 2:11a, Luke 1:47), so that the android could appear to have a spirit, to have consciousness. The way this could be achieved would be through the android having wireless connections to huge banks of supercomputers running advanced artificial intelligence software. The False Prophet could claim that the Antichrist's consciousness dwells within the android by means of neural networks imprinted with the Antichrist's brain patterns. But this could be a lie, in that the android won't actually have the Antichrist's consciousness, or any true consciousness, but will only appear to have consciousness, by its being able to pass even the most stringent Turing Test. This is a test whereby one speaks with a computer and can't tell whether it has consciousness or not, because all its answers are the same as if it had consciousness.

But the android's "consciousness" could appear far more advanced than any human's, for it could have access to huge databases containing every fact known to man, so that the android will appear to be omniscient. In this way, it could convince the world that it's not just a machine, but a material incarnation, a machine avatar, of the true God, a literal "deus ex machina", a literal "God from a machine". And this machine "God" could boast not only of his mental powers, but also of his physical powers: he could be extremely strong. And he could boast of the "immortality" of his machine body, which could be made of titanium, covered with some practically-everlasting flesh-like silicone. People could just be completely awestruck by his (what they could call) "omniscient wisdom, his strength, his indestructibility". They could consider him more than worthy of worship by (in their words) "mere humanity, which is so mentally and physically limited, made out of mere flesh and blood, which is so weak and so mortal". The world will actually worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), just as it will actually worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4,8, Revelation 12:9).

The Antichrist's image could be placed standing in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, so that the image will become the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31). And in order to make it easy for everyone in the world to be able to see the image and worship it (Revelation 13:15), it could appear on every smartphone, television, computer, GPS navigation system, and electronic billboard at set times each day. And to make it possible for everyone to interact with it personally, it could appear as a computer generated image on each individual's smartphone, speaking in and understanding each individual's language, conversing with each individual with personalized messages and responses devised by supercomputers running artificial intelligence and language software.

And it could discuss with them even the most intimate details of their lives, for it could have access to huge databases compiled by the Antichrist's worldwide intelligence, law enforcement, economic, and health agencies, databases containing all the facts about everyone: who their family and friends are, where they live and work, who their neighbors and coworkers are, how much they make, what cars and properties they own and use, where they go, where they shop, what they buy, where they eat out, what shows and videos they watch, what they read, what they say, what they post on the internet, what their health problems are, etc., so that the Antichrist's image could seem to know everything about everyone.

And the worship of the image could be connected with a daily surveillance and subjugation of everyone. For the image's supercomputers could make his image automatically appear on everyone's smartphone at set times each day to be worshipped. And smartphones contain GPS chips which can be secretly pinged in order to determine the exact location of the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could ping the GPS chip of everyone's smartphone and know exactly where everyone is.

Also, smartphones contain cameras and microphones, which can be remotely opened secretly in order to see and hear what's going on around the smartphones. So when the image appears on everyone's smartphone, the image's supercomputers could open the cameras and microphones of everyone's smartphone to determine what everyone is doing and saying, and the image could then demand that the individuals worship him as God, saying some set prayer of praise and adoration. And if any individual refuses, the image's supercomputers could detect that individual's noncompliance, and notify the nearest police officers of that individual's exact location, and order the officers to arrest that individual for blasphemy and treason. The offending individual could then be given a chance to be "reformed" (i.e. in a brainwashing camp, or through physical torture, if necessary), but if he proves recalcitrant, he will be executed (Revelation 13:15) by being beheaded (Revelation 20:4).

The beheading process itself could be made into a televised and webcasted spectacle, to serve not only as a dire warning to anyone thinking of refusing to worship the image, but also to serve as an amazingly-horrific entertainment for the masses, like how the ancient Romans made it an entertainment for the masses to gather them into the Colosseum in Rome and let them watch Christians being thrown to lions and devoured alive.

Huge beheading structures could be built, by which 20 "traitors" could be beheaded at one time by one fall of one blade. The "traitors" could be bound in a row along an upright "U"-shaped device with a track for a large guillotine blade, which could start out in a resting position at the top of one side. The blade could be so massive and so sharp that when it's released it will easily slice down through 10 necks on one side of the "U" and continue on by its own momentum up the other side of the "U", shearing off another 10 heads. This all could happen so quickly that it will appear as if all 20 heads are struck off almost in unison, followed immediately by 20 geysers of blood rushing out in unison for all the Antichrist's "faithful" to gawk at and cheer over in the comfort of their own homes before their televisions and computers.

Also, immediately after the show is over, at the site where it took place, teams of surgeons could rush in to "harvest" all the fresh organs and other body parts from the beheaded bodies to be used for transplants (beheading being the best way for a body to die if you want to harvest its parts). What's left of the bodies could then be stuffed into shipping containers, which, once full, could be stacked like stones into a gigantic "Pyramid of Death", which could eventually reach some 30 stories high and contain tens of millions of bodies. A huge plaque could be erected in front of the Pyramid that will read: "This is a monument to the shame of YHWH, who created everything to die". (Of course, the truth is that he didn't, for he created Adam and Eve immortal; it wasn't until they sinned that they became mortal: Genesis 2:17. And YHWH will restore immortality to saved humans through Jesus Christ: Romans 6:23. Also, any such plaque would be hypocritical, for it will be the Antichrist who will have murdered the people entombed in the Pyramid, not YHWH. And so it will actually be a monument to how those who hate YHWH and his wisdom, love death: Proverbs 8:36b.)

Regarding the worship of the Antichrist's image, to help foster a group dynamic, every neighborhood and village in the world could be helped to create a group worship center in which everyone in that neighborhood or village will have to gather together at a set time each evening to bow down and prostrate himself or herself before a life-size, lifelike image of the Antichrist, which could be a computer-generated, animated, holographic or widescreen 3D HDTV image of him clothed in beautiful golden robes and standing majestically before them (or sitting on a magnificent golden throne), and speaking computer-generated customized messages to them as a group.

This worship could be accompanied by the most beautiful symphonic music (cf. Daniel 3:5), or whatever is the most beautiful music to the local people, to help them (in the words of the Antichrist's propaganda machine) "Be uplifted into the true spirit of praise and worship of our Great Lord and Master. Praised be His Majestic Name forever and ever!", etc. And what with the wonderful music, and all their fellow worshippers around them, and customized messages of encouragement spoken in a deep, soothing voice by a life-size, holographic or 3D HDTV image of the Antichrist to certain members of each "worship group", it could be that some people in each group will start to really get into the evening worship sessions, and even begin to (in their words) "Truly feel the Living Presence of our loving God among us, loving us so tenderly, so personally! Oh, how I love Him! He is So Great!"

But the world's worship of the Antichrist's image (Revelation 13:15), no matter how blissful it may become for some people, and the world's worship of the Antichrist and Lucifer (Satan) the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), will last for less than 4 years (Revelation 13:5, Daniel 12:11-12) before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and completely defeats the Antichrist and Lucifer, and the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3), and Jesus then sets up his own, 1,000-year physical kingdom on the earth with the bodily resurrected church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
 
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Note that Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 require there will be a 3rd Jewish temple


1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (Rev 11:1-2 NKJ)

I don't agree, the Temple (ναὸς 3485) of God is the church (1 Cor 3:16–17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:19–22), the outer court "professed believers". Not only the Temple, but the altar and those who worship are measured. Measuring confirms it fits God's pattern (Ezek 43:10-11) and will be preserved. The outer court isn't just "left out," it is "cast out" ἔκβαλε ἔξω (cp Luke 13:28), it does not conform to God's law. They, the apostates, afflict and harass the true church for 42 months, wanting them to join in their apostasy, their acceptance of wickedness.

The TARES in the outer court are apostates, they have fallen away completely:

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:3-4 NKJ)

The Word Council of Churches with their miracle working UN leader promising peace and safety to all, makes a covenant with Israel ( Thess 5:3; Dan 9:27) that exists for 42 months, then the end shall come. About mid week, when Satan and his demons are cast out of heaven by Michael and his angels (Rev 12:7-9), they appear on earth as antichrist preaching ufo aliens and back the miracle working betrayer of Christ, the Son of Perdition's claim to be God. They then persecute real believers (Rev. 12:10 -12) but God helps the church He measured, for 42 months they are afforded divine protection against the flood of spiritism meant to overwhelm the true church---the casting out demons, prophesy, and mighty wonders that would, if possible, deceive even the elect (Matt 12:24-28; 7:15-23). Although they professed to have an intimate relationship with Him ("lord lord") and allegedly did these things in His name, He NEVER knew them:

24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
25 "See, I have told you beforehand.
26 "Therefore if they say to you,`Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or`Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
27 "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. (Mat 24:24-27 NKJ)

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.
14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12:13-17 NKJ)

So this is great tribulation for the church (Rev 7:9-17), the antichrist persecutes in earnest. From the time he declared himself God in the Temple, or 1260 days, another 30 days are required to change times and law (Dan 7:25) and force all receive the Mark. All not then killed, who endure to the end will be saved, if they wait till 1335 days, are blessed by being raptured.

At the last trump (1 Cor 15:52) when God says "Come up here" the dead in Christ rise first with God's two witnesses (Rev 11:11-12; 20:4; 1 Thess 4:16), then those slain in Christ immediately follow. Blessed are those who wait one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days (Dan 12:12) for then they are raptured, all who endured to the end are saved (Mark 13:13). So these are they Christ brings with Him, all the saints in Third Heaven-Paradise-Abraham's bosum with all slain by the antichrist---after changing in a twinkling of an eye, those who endured to the end meet them in the air (1 Thess 4:14-18; 1 Cor 15:51-51;
Mat 24:29-31; Rev 14:14-16).

Then the angel of God illuminates the hidden things in the earth---there be demons in Mystery Babylon, the UN's World Council of Churches, reigning in the beast what was the League of Nations, then was not during WWII, then rose as the UN and will remain only a short while (Rev 17:11). She now represents all the world's Babylonian spiritist religion. The Magisterium/Tower whose top is in the heavens, that supposed all the earth would see and build according to her design in her Name following as though it were God speaking (Gen.11:1-6). When it drank the vile flood of spiritism meant to carry away the true church into idolatry (1 Cor 12:2), the secret power of lawlessness inspired the strong delusion the Antichrist could fight God and win, with Satan's angels and their "ufo technology"---"Who could make war with him?" (Rev 13:1-8).

The demons who made their habitation in her forced the lesser unclean spirits to do Satan's bidding, against their will. Likely they wanted to flee from the coming wrath of an offended Almighty and Holy God:

1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!
(Rev 18:1-2 NKJ)

But Babylon's Harlot miscalculated, she is now obsolete, the Antichrist set himself up above all called God or worshiped. Times and law are now changed, the Harlot is no longer needed. As God's people are fleeing Babylon the Great, her converts turn on her with a vengeance, burning her with fire. They seek redress for being exploited, for their evil being restrained by hypocrites and pretenders. These do not realize they are carrying out God's judgment.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
5 "For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
6 "Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.
7 "In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart,`I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.'
8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day-- death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her. (Rev 18:4-8 NKJ)


The vision of the Daughter of Zion confirms the Temple of God is the church, for it rose from her and she is now seen as the one preserved in the wilderness 42 months, or 1,260 days:

10 Be in pain, and labor to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, Like a woman in birth pangs. For now you shall go forth from the city, You shall dwell in the field, And to Babylon you shall go. There you shall be delivered; There the LORD will redeem you From the hand of your enemies.
11 Now also many nations have gathered against you, Who say, "Let her be defiled, And let our eye look upon Zion."
12 But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD, Nor do they understand His counsel; For He will gather them like sheaves to the threshing floor. (Mic 4:10-12 NKJ)

1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.
2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.
6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. (Rev 12:1-6 NKJ)


So the abomination of desolation had a dual fulfillment, in the 1st century the Zealot armies surrounded Jerusalem, and that was the sign Christians should flee Jerusalem in the 1st century. The Zealots installed their own High Priest in the Temple ending the daily sacrifice. And they did many abominations therein, which resulted in the desolation that followed , the Temple was destroyed and the Jews led captive into all the nations.

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
21 "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
22 "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
24 "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Luk 21:20-24 NKJ)

The end time fulfillment is a spiritual parallel, apostate Christendom sets up the Antichrist, and his image the abomination that causes desolation. All spiritual sacrifice to the true God ends in nominal Christendom---the outer court, is now drunk on wine of abominations, the evil water of spiritism that flooded the earth. Their miracle working Judas false prophet now declares himself God about mid week.

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.
8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?"
9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 "Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 "Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. (Dan 12:7-12 NKJ)

So from the time the man of sin declares himself God, and sets up the idolatrous image that causes all to accept the mark or be killed, there shall be 1290 days. Blessed are those who endure to the end of this period, for they shall be raptured on the 1, 335th day.
 
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Merge: Rev.11:1, 2, "...sanctuary...v.2...sanctuary..." "....naos...v.2...naos..." = IIThess.2:4, "sanctuary."

Purge: Rev.11:1, 2, "...temple...v.2...temple..." "...ieron...v.2....ieron..."

Rev.11:1, 2 The vision of chapter 10 continues to here in chapter 11. John does not start anew with "I saw," but proceeds with a narration of his own participation in a further symbolical act. Prophesying extends and maintains the Church. Thus in chapter 10 we have the little book (one of the "two witnesses" that contains the miraculous preliminary judgments today that are contained in chapters 8 & 9). John's eating it, and prophesying to many people, nations, tongues, kings; and now we see him measuring the result, the 'Sanctuary,' the altar, the worshippers, ie, the Church, marking the boundry line between the Church, and all those who are without. This Church will ever have its "witness" for the world, which is symbolized in its great power, and its shameful treatment by the world. :amen:

Thus chapter 10, and this part of chapter 11 belong together as a great unit of Revelation. This vital connection with the six trumpets of warnings shoud be apparent. ;)

Old Jack just talking out loud again.
 
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Alfred and B2,
as a third option to your discussion, the passages about the temple are about the 1st century temple and the events of the 60s. The end of the world was originally expected to be on the heals of the DofJ of 70. But the EofW was allowed to be delayed in Mt 24B and 2 Pet 3. And was.

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Alfred and B2,
as a third option to your discussion, the passages about the temple are about the 1st century temple and the events of the 60s. The end of the world was originally expected to be on the heals of the DofJ of 70. But the EofW was allowed to be delayed in Mt 24B and 2 Pet 3. And was.

Leave all corners accessible so you can back into them.


It is written:

"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? (Num 23:19 NKJ)

Before you can propose God delayed the EofW, you must prove He would do such a thing.

Then you must prove it was definitely going to occur around 70AD, but He delayed it.

Because the "perfections" of God require He doesn't make mistakes, the few times in scripture it is said "God repented" its anthropomorphically meant to reveal an aspect of God's love and concern, using human figures of speech so we can understand, and not to show He is like us, prone to change His mind.
 
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Alfred Persson said in post 263:

I don't agree, the Temple ([Greek], 3485) of God is the church (1 Cor 3:16–17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:19–22), the outer court "professed believers".

Revelation 11:2 refers to a literal outer court of a Jewish temple building which will be on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 11:31 refer to that temple's holy place (inner sanctum), and just as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36 refer to the Antichrist eventually sitting in that temple (at least one time) and proclaiming himself God.

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The outer court isn't just "left out," it is "cast out" [Greek] (cp Luke 13:28), it does not conform to God's law.

Not necessarily, for while the original Greek word (ekballo, G1544) translated as "leave out" in Revelation 11:2 can mean "cast out" with regard to something evil (Matthew 10:1), it doesn't have to mean that every time it's used. For example, the same Greek word is used to refer to the Lord "sending forth" Christian laborers into his harvest of souls (Matthew 9:38), and is used to refer to a good man out of the good treasure of his heart "bringing forth" good things (Matthew 12:35). In Revelation 11:2, the word is used in the context of John measuring the future, 3rd temple, and means he was to leave out the outer court from his measurements.
 
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Back to the delusion theme, here are the child indoctrination pledges used in the movie REMEMBER set in 2050. We may as well talk about real problems while we are on the great delusion.

>>>

STATE CHILD INDOCTRINATION
From the story REMEMBER, theremembermovie.com, moviemakers.ca

Pillar 1
No father shall know his child
No child shall know his father.
Pillar 2
Nothing belongs to anyone.
Everything belongs to everyone.
Pillar 3
Mem-relief keeps us all safe and happy.

Why do adults use Mem-relief?
1 by removing painful memories, it reduces stress and gives us inner peace
2 inner peace makes for a productive citizenry
3 productive citizenry requires fewer police
4 having fewer police allows more workers to work in essential industries

Why should no father know his child and no child know his father?
1, the raising of children is best done by highly trained professionals
 
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Revelation 11:2 refers to a literal outer court of a Jewish temple building which will be on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 11:31 refer to that temple's holy place (inner sanctum), and just as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36 refer to the Antichrist eventually sitting in that temple (at least one time) and proclaiming himself God.


That is a Circular Argument ( Petitio Principii ) that begs the question "is this a literal temple" by collecting scriptures that reference a literal temple as though that has already been decided. It is not decided and until we do those texts are irrelevant.

You have not thought this through.

There are unintended consequences to this being a literal Temple, that a Christian simply cannot accept and therefore must reject this is a literal Temple.

If the Temple is literal, "those who worship" are Jews not "the Gentiles", non-Jews aren't allowed into the Temple (Acts 21:28-29; Ezek 44:7) . In Herod's Temple, the outer court was the "Court of the Gentiles". All non-Jews including Christians (Acts 21:28-29) therefore are among those being "cast out."

1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
2 "But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (Rev 11:1-2 NKJ)

So Christians are among "they" who tread the holy city underfoot, and against whom God's two witnesses preach (Rev 11:3-13), and presumably we finally convert to Judaism and are among those giving God glory in vs. 13.


12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.
13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
(Rev 11:12-13 NKJ)


Notice the "holy city" of Rev 11:2, which is definitely Jerusalem (Isa 52:1) is now called "the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified", i.e., Jerusalem. So the "holy city" becomes Sodom and Gomorrah because Christians tread the city down for 42 months.

8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves.
10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. (Rev 11:8-10 NKJ)


Lest someone propose this is a "Jewish apocryphon" amidst Christian material, "our Lord"" in Rev 11:8 contradicts its Jewish, that the Temple is Literal---the reference is to Jesus Christ our LORD. This is a Christian apocalypse.

Therefore, I take the more likely meaning this temple is the true church (1 Cor 3:16–17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:19–22), those in the outer court those who claim to be Christian, but are not. They are the Tares.

Confirming this is your word study. Those EKBALLO ed are normally sentient entities, demons or people. Even Matt 9:38 "good things" is something a man is bringing forth from his heart. It is special pleading the court is being "left out," rather its being excluded because of the unbelievers within it.

Not necessarily, for while the original Greek word (ekballo, G1544) translated as "leave out" in Revelation 11:2 can mean "cast out" with regard to something evil (Matthew 10:1), it doesn't have to mean that every time it's used. For example, the same Greek word is used to refer to the Lord "sending forth" Christian laborers into his harvest of souls (Matthew 9:38), and is used to refer to a good man out of the good treasure of his heart "bringing forth" good things (Matthew 12:35). In Revelation 11:2, the word is used in the context of John measuring the future, 3rd temple, and means he was to leave out the outer court from his measurements.

"The phrase ἐκβάλλεινἔξω is normally applied to people who are expelled or excluded (Luke 4:29; Acts 7:58; John 9:34–35 12:31), which coheres with a metaphorical interpretation of this passage construed as referring to excluded people. Luke 13:28, part of the conclusion of the parable of the narrow door, is particularly appropriate, for it refers to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and the unfaithful cast out (ἐκβαλλομένουςἔξω; Feuillet, New Testament Studies4 [1957–58] 186–87).- Aune, D. E. (1998). Revelation 6–16 (Vol. 52B, p. 607). Dallas: Word, Incorporated.

The dead in Christ rise with the two witnesses, and the church departs when the abomination that causes desolation is set up, the son of perdition rises up in Christendom and declares himself God.

"They"---all unbelievers and former believers, apostates tread the holy city down, and change it into Sodom because the Nephilim ufo antichrist preaching aliens have returned seeking "strange flesh":

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jud 1:6-7 NKJ)

It is called Egypt because its overrun with spiritism, just as Pharaoh's magicians Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses (2 Tim 3:1-9) so these who formerly prophesied cast out demons and did wonders in Christ's name name (Matt 7:20-23) now reject the mystery of godliness (1 Tim 3:16), and fall completely under the delusion inspired by the mystery of lawlessness (2 Thess 2:3-12; Rev 18:2) because they loved not the truth to be saved.

"Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. (Joh 17:17 NKJ)
 
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Alfred Persson said in post 269:

So Christians are among "they" who tread the holy city underfoot, and against whom God's two witnesses preach (Rev 11:3-13), and presumably we finally convert to Judaism and are among those giving God glory in vs. 13.

Note that nothing requires that any Biblical Christian Gentiles, rather than only the unbelieving Gentiles (cf. 1 Corinthians 10:32), will ever tread Jerusalem underfoot (Revelation 11:2b) or be preached against by the 2 witnesses (Revelation 11:3-10).

Alfred Persson said in post 269:

They are the Tares.

Regarding the parable of the wheat and the tares (Matthew 13:24-30,36-43), in Matthew 13:38 the good seed are the elect and the tares are the nonelect, the human children of Satan, who can't ever believe in Jesus (John 8:42-47). Matthew 13:40-42 refers to the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-14), after the future millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-10), when the unsaved will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15). In Matthew 13:43, the kingdom of the Father is after the great white throne judgment, when a new earth (i.e. a new surface of the earth) will be created, and God the Father will descend from heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem to live with the church on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-3).

Alfred Persson said in post 269:

The dead in Christ rise with the two witnesses, and the church departs when the abomination that causes desolation is set up, the son of perdition rises up in Christendom and declares himself God.

The future raising of the 2 witnesses' bodies from the dead (Revelation 11:11) won't occur at the church's bodily resurrection into immortality at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), but will be like, for example, the past resuscitation of the mortal bodies of Lazarus and Tabitha (John 11:43-44, Acts 9:36-40). And the future, bodily ascension of the 2 witnesses up into heaven (Revelation 11:12) won't occur at the church's bodily rapture at the 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), but will be like, for example, the past ascension of the mortal bodies of Enoch and Elijah into heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).

For the 2 witnesses' bodily resuscitation and ascension will occur at one point during the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, as part of its 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13), before the tribulation's 7th trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:15). And then out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the 7 plagues of the 7 vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the tribulation's final stage (Revelation 16). But the church's bodily resurrection into immortality and its being raptured (gathered together to Jesus) won't occur until Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31), which won't occur until after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), after the 7th vial has been completed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).

Also, the 2 witnesses, like Enoch and Elijah did (and also like the apostles Paul and John each did, temporarily, at one point during their lifetime: 2 Corinthians 12:2,7, Revelation 4:1-2), will ascend all the way into the 3rd heaven (Revelation 11:12). But the church will be raptured only as high as the clouds of the sky (the 1st heaven) to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus at his 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

Alfred Persson said in post 269:

The dead in Christ rise with the two witnesses, and the church departs when the abomination that causes desolation is set up, the son of perdition rises up in Christendom and declares himself God.

Daniel 12:11-12 and Revelation 16:15 could mean that 1,335 literal days after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31), Jesus' 2nd coming will occur, and blessed are those believers who wait and remain obedient until that day. If the literal 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 12:6) will begin when the abomination of desolation is set up, and if the 7 vials of God's wrath will begin on the day after the 1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 11:15,19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), and if the first 6 vials will be poured out over 30 days, then the 6th vial could be poured out on the 1,290th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11).

It's on this 1,290th day that the blessing of Daniel 12:12 and Revelation 16:15 could be given, after the 6th vial has been poured out (Revelation 16:12), encouraging those in the church who will still be alive on the earth at that time to keep holding on just 45 more days until Jesus' 2nd coming on the 1,335th day. The 45 days could be taken up by the gathering together of the world's armies to Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) and then their moving south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus' 2nd coming and their total defeat (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).
 
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Note that nothing requires that any Biblical Christian Gentiles, rather than only the unbelieving Gentiles (cf. 1 Corinthians 10:32), will ever tread Jerusalem underfoot (Revelation 11:2b) or be preached against by the 2 witnesses (Revelation 11:3-10).

That is incorrect, scripture prohibits Christians from entering the Jewish Temple:

27 Now when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him,
28 crying out, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place."
29 (For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
30 And all the city was disturbed; and the people ran together, seized Paul, and dragged him out of the temple; and immediately the doors were shut.
31 Now as they were seeking to kill him, news came to the commander of the garrison that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.
(Act 21:27-31 NKJ)


So toward the end of Paul’s seven-day purification (possibly when he came to receive the water of atonement on the seventh day), they instigated a riot under the pretense that he had brought Trophimus, the Gentile representative from Ephesus, beyond the barrier (the Soreg) that separated the Court of the Gentiles from the temple courts reserved for Jews alone.

Josephus described the wall separating the Court of the Gentiles from the Holy Place, or inner courts reserved for Jews alone, as “a stone balustrade, three cubits high [c.41/2 feet high; though M Middoth 2:3 says it was ‘ten hand-breadths high,’ c.21/2 feet high] and of excellent workmanship” (Jos. War V, 193 [v.2]). “In this at regular intervals,” he said, “stood slabs giving warning, some in Greek, others in Latin characters, of the law of purification, to wit that no foreigner was permitted to enter the Holy Place, for so the second enclosure of the temple was called” (ibid., V, 194 [v.2]; cf. VI, 124–26 [ii.4]; Antiq. XV, 417 [xi.5]). One of these Greek notices was found by C.S. Clermont-Gannau in 1871 and two Greek fragments of another were found in 1935. The complete notice reads: “No foreigner is to enter within the balustrade and embankment around the sanctuary. Whoever is caught will have himself to blame for his death which follows” (cf. “New Discoveries,” PEQ, 3 [1871], 132). Roman authorities were so conciliatory of Jewish scruples about this matter that they ratified the death penalty for any Gentile—even a Roman citizen—caught going beyond the balustrade (Soreg) (cf. Jos. War VI, 126 [ii.4]).

Longenecker, R. N. (1981). The Acts of the Apostles. In F. E. Gaebelein (Ed.), The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: John and Acts (Vol. 9, pp. 521–522). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House.

Therefore, if this is a literal Jewish Temple, then Christians are in the excluded outer court, NOT in the Temple.

Therefore, your interpretation is impossible, because if this is a literal temple---its about Jews being saved, not Christians.

Christians, as they are not believing in Judism---then are with the unbelieving Gentiles, excluded from God's protection, in the outer court.

Therefore, your interpretation this is a literal Jewish Temple, is impossible.

Don't ignore this point, that won't make it go away.
 
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I find it stunning that others don't realize the great import of this thread? :confused:

First and foremost the more difficult it is to dertect the error's mixed with truth, ie, destroying souls, the more damnable the lie is. Pre-mil, Pre-trib, Mid-trib, Post-mil, all-mil (all will pan out in the end) are obvious error's working. Delusions in the Amil. camp are the damnable lies we should be concerned with, ie, all the diverse views of God's preliminary miraculous judgments, or as most feel, all grace and no judgments, justice, and wrath today, should be our daily priority waaay beyond Church on Sunday for the whole 1 hour, ie, which diverse interpretation is valid (IIThess.2:4; Rev.9:1-21?)??? :confused:

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Those things are not considered damnable heresies. Our doctrine doesn't condemn us neither does it save us as long as we believe and walk with Christ. These verses pretty much sum up "damnable heresies."

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

False teachers were easily identified in the church and were actually given a second chance. In one instance some who were teaching "un-damnable heresies" were not excommunicated but people were told to avoid them. Those that did teach "damnable heresies" and who didn't repent were excommunicated. They often started their own following mostly for money.

Another thing Christians often overlook is what Paul said in Phil. and Galatians.

The Galatians were being annoyed by false teachers. Probably the same ones that followed Paul around as he went city to city. They challenged Paul's authority and criticize his teachings. These false teachers said that a man's works made him righteous. They were not in the church but outside of it and were trying to get a following of their own through sheep stealing mostly for cash benefits. They are false teachers of damnable heresies and Paul curses those teachers. But on the other hand in Philippians 1:14-18 Paul reverses that standard and doesn't curse those that preach Christ with evil motives and not in truth but actually rejoices in that Christ is being preached!

False teachers of damnable heresies were either excommunicated from the church or out side of the church. Most false doctrines are not damnable.

Phil. 1:12-18 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;

So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places;

And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.

Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
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Paul on one hand curses false teachers, yet on the other appears to rejoice in that Christ is being preached anyway. That means that your doctrine doesn't condemn us as long as it's not biblically damnable. We are still saved by our righteousness in Christ. It also appears between Gal. and Phil. that correct behavior is held in higher esteem over correct doctrine.

What appears to be a contradiction in Paul's teachings really is not. It's just that there are damnable and un-damnable heresies.
 
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I think the delusion is false grace. It's shocking what they teach. Even the devil can be saved and you can sin as you like, no law, Lawless, the Lawless one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU2eRbRgnzQ

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Those things are not considered damnable heresies. Our doctrine doesn't condemn us neither does it save us as long as we believe and walk with Christ.

Just so we understand there is "another Jesus" based upon a "different gospel" ergo if you happen to have the one valid way of all the diverse ways of being 'born again,' and not "another Christ," I would agree to agree with you to a degree anyway (IICor.11:4). :idea:

These verses pretty much sum up "damnable heresies."

You missed our Lord's miraculous perliminary judgments in Rev.8:7-9:21 this moment? :confused: btw the "delusion".

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

False teachers were easily identified in the church and were actually given a second chance. In one instance some who were teaching "un-damnable heresies" were not excommunicated but people were told to avoid them. Those that did teach "damnable heresies" and who didn't repent were excommunicated. They often started their own following mostly for money.

Another thing Christians often overlook is what Paul said in Phil. and Galatians.

The Galatians were being annoyed by false teachers. Probably the same ones that followed Paul around as he went city to city. They challenged Paul's authority and criticize his teachings. These false teachers said that a man's works made him righteous. They were not in the church but outside of it and were trying to get a following of their own through sheep stealing mostly for cash benefits. They are false teachers of damnable heresies and Paul curses those teachers. But on the other hand in Philippians 1:14-18 Paul reverses that standard and doesn't curse those that preach Christ with evil motives and not in truth but actually rejoices in that Christ is being preached!

False teachers of damnable heresies were either either excommunicated from the church or out side of the church. Most false doctrines are not damnable.

Phil. 1:12-18 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;

So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places;

And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.

Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
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Paul on one hand curses false teachers, yet on the other appears to rejoice in that Christ is being preached anyway. That means that your doctrine doesn't condemn you as long as it's not biblically damnable. We are still saved by our righteousness in Christ. It also appears between Gal. and Phil. that correct behavior is held in higher esteem over correct doctrine.

What appears to be a contradiction in Paul's teachings really is not. It's just that there are damnable and un-damnable heresies.

Old Jack
 
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