What is the strong delusion God will send in the end time?

TillICollapse said:

Hmm interesting, I'll check out that link when I'm awake enough to read it ... thanks

I actually saw where you can download the first 2 Chapters of the book on Scribd, so I downloaded them, and will likely read them over the next couple of days.

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Too bad its just 2 chapters, the last half is better. The time exposure pictures he included show exactly how the lights move. They sort of "jiggle" or bounce, maybe a better word would be "waft".

Since the discussion has turned to UFO's i am going to tell what I actually saw one night just a few months before I received my university degree.

I was driving home for spring break in my last year at Murray State University. (April,1966) It was an all night drive, and it was a clear night. As there had been a recent spate of reports of sightings, I was praying, Lord, if these things are real, let me see one tonight. And I watched the sky as I drove.

About 2 AM I was crossing the Ohio River bridge from Covington, Kentucky, into Cincinnati, Ohio. I saw a distant light in the western sky, and began to watch it. At first, it seemed to be a flame, so I decided that I was staring up the tail of a jet plane with its afterburner on. But then I realized it was headed toward me, not away from me. After a while, it appeared to be a row of lights, so I decided I was looking at the windows of a large airliner with its cabin lights on. But it was still approaching me, so this could not be true.

By this time I was in the city of Cincinnati, and going very slow, as there was no other traffic in the streets (As I said, it was around 2 AM.) The "thing" kept coming closer, and I was now able to see that it was a rectangle with flames racing over it. IN a few minutes it passed directly over my head, I estimated about 200 feet up and going forty miles an hour.

But as it passed so close, I saw that it was not on fire at all. It was a rectangle covered with incandescent light bulbs that were being flashed like a theater marguee to simulate flames racing over it.

As it passed to where it was directly over my head, so I could no longer see it because of the roof of the car, I shook my head, and said, well, you've seen one, and stomped on the gas pedal to go on. But then, I said, "Wait a minute, you're a scientist! (I was just about to receive a degree in science.) You can't accept it that easily!" I stomped on the brake and stuck my head out of the window and looked back at it. And as I did, it passed for a fraction of a second through a lighted area where I could see, for only a moment, a very normal but completely darkened biplane immediately above it and obviously carrying it!

So yes, I once saw a UFO. But I converted it into an IFO. It was obviously some kind of a hoax designed to excite people, for some twisted reason.

southcountry said:

Too bad its just 2 chapters, the last half is better. The time exposure pictures he included show exactly how the lights move. They sort of "jiggle" or bounce, maybe a better word would be "waft".

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Yeah I actually read the chapters before going to sleep ... they were more brief than I had thought

If the 2nd chapter is any indication of the rest of the book however, I can see how it will only get better I'm going to try and get my hands on a copy I think, perhaps one of my libraries will have one, or maybe one of the more esoteric bookstores (I live in a large metro city area). I *rarely* even read books, to be honest. But I'm thinking there will be a copy somewhere in my area.

Thanks for mentioning this guy

Alfred Persson said:

That last is similar to other researchers linking these events to paranormal. I think it very informative some believe these were in telepathic contact with human observers.

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I have felt this way. Many times, when my family would be studying the bible, and praying, these would show up outside the sliding glass window in a field.

Other times we were in the kitchen, they would be accompanied by a sub-sonic rattling of the house to get our attention to look outside.

I know the New Madrid fault is close by, but, no, thats not what these things are. They are intelligent.

Soon I stopped even paying any attention to them because I pretty much figured out what they are by their actions. They gave themselves away through their manipulation/timing of events. Its my observation they can read a persons mind and jump around in the timeline.

The closer you get to God, the more Satan tries to pull you away from Him.

Alfred Persson said:

Your scientific credentials are open to dispute as bias is unscientific. Your personal experiences certainly cannot explain those of others. To suggest it does, is unsound---the antithesis of scientific.

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Hang on there a minute, what kind of scientific proof or credibility does he need to relate an experience. That's not only irrelevant but audacious and rude. This seems a strange place to find a statement like that but I would simply respond:

Define Science

I really think your just using the word as a clutch phrase but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt, what's the word actually mean. Do you know? Do you care?

Biblewriter said:

So yes, I once saw a UFO. But I converted it into an IFO. It was obviously some kind of a hoax designed to excite people, for some twisted reason.

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Nah, that can't be true. After all, if you see a flying thing you can't identify, it has to be a fallen angel, not a biplane.

Alfred Persson said:

some believe these were in telepathic contact with human observers.

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Biblewriter said:

Since the discussion has turned to UFO's i am going to tell what I actually saw one night just a few months before I received my university degree.

I was driving home for spring break in my last year at Murray State University. (April,1966) It was an all night drive, and it was a clear night. As there had been a recent spate of reports of sightings, I was praying, Lord, if these things are real, let me see one tonight. And I watched the sky as I drove.

About 2 AM I was crossing the Ohio River bridge from Covington, Kentucky, into Cincinnati, Ohio. I saw a distant light in the western sky, and began to watch it. At first, it seemed to be a flame, so I decided that I was staring up the tail of a jet plane with its afterburner on. But then I realized it was headed toward me, not away from me. After a while, it appeared to be a row of lights, so I decided I was looking at the windows of a large airliner with its cabin lights on. But it was still approaching me, so this could not be true.

By this time I was in the city of Cincinnati, and going very slow, as there was no other traffic in the streets (As I said, it was around 2 AM.) The "thing" kept coming closer, and I was now able to see that it was a rectangle with flames racing over it. IN a few minutes it passed directly over my head, I estimated about 200 feet up and going forty miles an hour.

But as it passed so close, I saw that it was not on fire at all. It was a rectangle covered with incandescent light bulbs that were being flashed like a theater marguee to simulate flames racing over it.

As it passed to where it was directly over my head, so I could no longer see it because of the roof of the car, I shook my head, and said, well, you've seen one, and stomped on the gas pedal to go on. But then, I said, "Wait a minute, you're a scientist! (I was just about to receive a degree in science.) You can't accept it that easily!" I stomped on the brake and stuck my head out of the window and looked back at it. And as I did, it passed for a fraction of a second through a lighted area where I could see, for only a moment, a very normal but completely darkened biplane immediately above it and obviously carrying it!

So yes, I once saw a UFO. But I converted it into an IFO. It was obviously some kind of a hoax designed to excite people, for some twisted reason.

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Did you know that Jimmy Carter say a UFO?

In 1973 Carter said (Sheaffer 1998:20–21)


Speaking in a 2005 interview, Carter states:


Jimmy Carter UFO incident

When Carter was in office he ordered that everything the Federal Government had on UFOs be disclosed to the public. The UK was a lot more reluctant and didn't actually release all the information on UFOs until much more recently.

Alfred Persson said:

Abductees have been recorded during their "abduction," and on film they never went anywhere, it was all in their head, a vision.

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Or as we in Tennessee call it, a bad dream.

The common line in pretty much all contact or abduction accounts is "I woke up and...". Yep, I'm sure you did.

mark kennedy said:

Did you know that Jimmy Carter say a UFO?

In 1973 Carter said (Sheaffer 1998:20–21)

"There were about twenty of us standing outside of a little restaurant, I believe, a high school lunch room, and a kind of green light appeared in the western sky. This was right after sundown. It got brighter and brighter. And then it eventually disappeared. It didn't have any solid substance to it, it was just a very peculiar-looking light. None of us could understand what it was."​

Speaking in a 2005 interview, Carter states:

"all of a sudden, one of the men looked up and said, 'Look, over in the west!' And there was a bright light in the sky. We all saw it. And then the light, it got closer and closer to us. And then it stopped, I don’t know how far away, but it stopped beyond the pine trees. And all of a sudden it changed color to blue, and then it changed to red, then back to white. And we were trying to figure out what in the world it could be, and then it receded into the distance."​

Jimmy Carter UFO incident

When Carter was in office he ordered that everything the Federal Government had on UFOs be disclosed to the public. The UK was a lot more reluctant and didn't actually release all the information on UFOs until much more recently.

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Carter seems to not even know where they were when he says that about 20 people saw this apparition outside of a restaurant, "I believe, a high school lunch room." Did he see a real apparition when he seems to think that they were eating at a high school lunch room? Very strange, indeed.

Then, he notes many color changes, he notes that it's in the West and in the sky then, Carter notes Pine trees. Besides these hints, he tells it in a story of sequential events.

All of these hints are depicting a New World Order that is in the opposite compass of that of Yahweh, which is always depicted as being in and/or from the East in prophetic symbolism. The Pine trees point to the age of when present-day Christmas celebration was introduced to the New world that came in the 19th century.

It's as if Carter was sleep walking or awakened from a dream that seemed so real that he actually believes it was real, and then, he wants all UFO information revealed to the public? Well, to disclose these things to the public (large masses of people population) would only further brainwash them into believing that the apparitions seen by others might too, be real phenomenon's.

IMHO, Carter is disillusioned and living a dream like all of them who see these things. There are no intelligent beings that come in flying saucers to invade earth, rather in actual prophecy those who the world fears is actually the Sons of G-d that are mocked as UFO aliens from above. It's Satan's way to deceive the nations in one of multiple forms, and he pulls an "Identity switch" with G-d's family, making them out to be profaned, while his teachings are upright in sound mind.

This is what will change when Christ is renowned, and He will give these people a new mind and Spirit if they be willing to accept it, just as in the "Mission Impossible" theme. Carter's thought about the High school lunch room is profound as it points to the prophecy of Noah in the last-day; "they were eating and drinking" is depicting the time when the pagan world eats of lies and drinks of Satan's saving blood (false doctrines-propaganda), instead of Yahweh's Truth's.

The "High" school is depicting a higher learning, a higher education but it's of the NWO in his illusion. This is Satan's agenda to educate the world with his ways, and not G-d's ways, rather they learn a secular education and they know nothing about Yahweh. G-d is not feared these days, but rather Satan has captivated their minds and he receives all homage instead of Yahweh.

Carter is brainwashed by his own government, and he knows it not. The strong delusion may be that G-d allowed these things to take captive those who are perishing, perhaps? If Satan be the prince of earth for a period of time then, all of the world would be entangled in his web of deceit, and no man may escape. The Israelites were held captive by Pharaoh, and they could NOT keep their Sabbath day when in captivity, and this same applies to us today. This is the reason for all of the confusion over prophecy, and the Bible, and all Holy things, which are now profaned when held captive.

There are many who claim to be keeping the Sabbath but they too, are deceived because they are fakes, as if the Isrealites were keeping another Sabbath that they could not while held captive. Any Sabbath observance, even if on Sunday are all counterfeits, and all who do are liars.

Nothing personal, just the facts. I can say much more about this but this should hit home with the watchers, prayerfully, that is.

Thanks

Here's some more strong delusion from the modern day sorcerers.

Yahoo!


What's even more amazing is they claim to know it was a british family just on a day out.

LONDON (AP) — They were a British family on a day out — almost a million years ago.

Hey rocky watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat!

Hocus pocus, poof! million year old footprints. Oh my!

Alfred Persson said in post 99:

What is unique to our time, that didn't exist when Paul wrote?

The ufo deception, Satan wasn't conditioning people to believe UFOs exist in the days of Paul, as he is doing today.

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If by the UFO deception you mean the idea that aliens could exist, note that nothing in the Bible requires that aliens can't exist.

The universe is so vast, with something like 100 billion different galaxies, each containing something like 100 billion different stars, that even if only one star out of every 10 billion stars has a planet with intelligent life on it, there would still be a trillion inhabited planets. This would be to the great glory of God, for he's the Creator of everything (Revelation 4:11). God could deal with intelligent life on other planets in the same way that he deals with people on the earth: Some individuals could go to a heaven when they die, while others could go to a hell. Or the intelligent life on some other planets may have never fallen into sin, like Adam and Eve did, so that the intelligent life on those planets never became mortal. Any such unfallen intelligent life could be living in sinless, immortal bliss on their planets, like Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden before their fall. Also, ultimately, the destiny of saved people on this planet isn't to live forever in heaven like ghosts strumming harps on clouds, but to live forever in resurrected, immortal, physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:52-53, Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:21, Luke 24:39) on a new earth with God (Revelation 21).

Some people feel that aliens can't exist because the Bible makes no mention of them. But not everything that exists has to be mentioned in the Bible (cf. John 21:25). For example, the Bible makes no mention of Velcro, yet it exists. And the Bible makes no mention of the fact that the earth orbits the sun, and not vice versa as many Bible believers mistakenly assumed for centuries. Such believers even mistakenly claimed that the heliocentric system was a lie which was against the revealed knowledge of God in the Bible that the sun orbits the earth. Of course, the truth is that nothing in the Bible requires a geocentric system. Similarly, nothing in the Bible requires that aliens can't exist.

Also, the argument that other inhabited planets can't exist because if they did, the Bible would have told us about them, is like someone in the 1300's in Europe saying: "Other inhabited continents can't exist besides the ones in the Bible: Europe, Africa, and Asia. For if other inhabited continents did exist, the Bible would have told us about them". Of course, the truth is that the Bible made no mention of the other inhabited continents of North America, South America, and Australia, and yet they existed. Similarly, even though the Bible makes no mention of other inhabited planets, they could exist.

If the specific aliens that some people claim to have had contact with (such as "the Greys") truly exist, they could be fallen angels or demons. Or they could be real aliens in the sense of material beings from some other star system. Or, if interstellar travel is physically impossible because of the practical limits which special relativity places on how fast matter can travel, they could be material beings from our own solar system who evolved (by God's created process of evolution) or were miraculously created by God long before humans, whether on this planet, or on the 2nd or the 4th planet from the sun, in some past eon when either or both of those planets was inhabitable.

Some people feel that other inhabited planets in other star systems can't exist, for God is going to live with only the saved people on this planet (Revelation 21:2-3). But God can live in more than one place at a time (Psalms 139:7-10). Something similar to Revelation 21:2-3 could already be in place on billions of other inhabited planets. For just as the body of each individual believer on this planet is the tabernacle/the temple of God (1 Corinthians 6:19), so each unfallen or regenerated planet could have its own tabernacle/holy city of God. And God can reign in all of them simultaneously, just as he can reign in each believer on this planet simultaneously (John 14:23, Ephesians 3:17).

Some people feel that fallen aliens can't exist because the book of life, Hades, the lake of fire, the judgment days, and the 3rd heaven are for only people from this planet. But each fallen planet could have the equivalent of its own book of life, its own Hades, its own lake of fire, its own judgment for the saved only, and its own great white throne judgment. Some fallen planets' judgments could have already occurred billions of years ago, while others may not occur for billions of years after the judgments on this planet occur. Also, each inhabited planet could have its own 3rd heaven, above each planet, in a 4th spatial dimension which is "higher" than the 3 spatial dimensions which we can see.

Some people feel that fallen aliens can't exist, for Christ can die for sins only once (Hebrews 10:10), and only for the sins of people on this planet (Hebrews 2:16-17). But just as Christ incarnated as a human on this planet (John 1:1,14), and died once for the sins of humans on this planet, so he could have incarnated as other intelligent life-forms on other fallen planets and died once for them as well. Also, the universe could be so old (some 14 billion years, while the earth could be some 4.5 billion years old) that many fallen inhabited planets could have already completed their regeneration billions of years ago, with their saved inhabitants having had their sins forgiven by faith in a divine sacrifice on their planet, and their bodies already having been resurrected (if dead) or changed (if alive) into immortal bodies (which the saved still await on this planet: 1 Corinthians 15:51-53), so that they became like/equal to the angels of God in heaven (cf. Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36), so that many of the entities which we call "angels" could have started out as what we would call "aliens" on other planets.

If even some unresurrected humans on this planet can sometimes be called "angels" (in the sense of "messengers"; see Luke 7:24 in the original Greek), then some redeemed aliens on other planets who have been resurrected or changed into immortal bodies could have been assigned by God to serve as angels/messengers of God to minister to the unresurrected elect on this planet (cf. Hebrews 1:14). And once the saved on this planet have been resurrected into immortality, and become like/equal to the angels of God in heaven (Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36), some of them could be assigned by God to other fallen planets which haven't yet been regenerated, to serve as angels/messengers of God to minister to the unresurrected elect on those planets.

We really need to get away from every form of geocentrism. Just as it was a mistake for some believers to refuse to accept for so long the fact that the earth isn't the physical center of the universe, indeed, isn't even the physical center of our solar system, so it's a mistake for some believers to refuse to accept the very real possibility that the earth isn't the spiritual center of the universe either, but could be just one of a trillion inhabited planets in the universe, all filled with worshippers of God. And there could be trillions of other universes outside our own, filled with a googolplex of inhabited planets (or other structures which we can't even imagine). We infinitesimal humans on this one, infinitesimal planet really need to have some sense of humility (Isaiah 40:15,17, Psalms 8:3-4).