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ThomasGuthler said in post 194:
There´s no scripture where a divorced man can remarry if the wife divorced him from my understanding.
Note that there's no scripture where he can't.
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ThomasGuthler said in post 194:
There´s no scripture where a divorced man can remarry if the wife divorced him from my understanding.
Shocker said in post 210:
Im not a pretribber, but I do believe the words of Jesus Christ..
Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
This "hour of testing" which is about to come upon the whole world, has not yet happened.
Otherwise, we would have known it..
The 7 epistles to 7 churches in Revelation chapters 2-3 were sent to 7 literal, 1st century AD local church congregations in 7 cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) (what's today western Turkey).
Revelation 3:10 meant that the literal, 1st century AD local church congregation in the city of Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7) in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) would be kept safe from a persecution which came upon all the Roman world during the time of the Roman emperor Domitian. For the apostle John saw his Revelation vision (Revelation 1:1) near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c), and Domitian persecuted the church toward the end of his reign. The righteous, literal, 1st century local church congregation in the city of Smyrna (Revelation 2:8) in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) had to suffer and die in that persecution over a period of 10 literal days (Revelation 2:10).
The 1st century church in Philadelphia didn't have to be taken out of the world to be kept safe from (Greek: "ek") that persecution. For, as Jesus prayed for the church in general: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from (ek) the evil" (John 17:15,20). Also, the 1st century church in Philadelphia didn't have to be removed from time itself or from the earth in order to be kept from the "hour" (or the "time") of that persecution, just as, for example, a student in a classroom who's been excused from taking a test doesn't have to be removed from time itself or from the classroom in order to be excused from that time of testing. For he can be made to sit at his desk reading during that time, which won't be a time of testing for him.
Also, the 1st century persecution of Revelation 3:10 (and Revelation 2:10) was only "world"-wide in the sense of the Roman "world" (cf. Luke 2:1). So the subsequent reference to those on the "earth" in Revelation 3:10 should be understood as those Christians living on the earth during that time in the Roman empire, as opposed to those Christians who'd already died and gone to heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23).
Note that there's no scripture where he can't.
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In my view a dogmatic- Darwinist- evolutionary- view AND ALSO a dogmatic- literalist- biblical- view of our creation are both evidence of the "strong-delusion" that hinders mankind from understanding the character, nature and "eternal-vision" of our Father God in Heaven, and also of the Heavenly Host, of which our Creator hopes we will "all" be willing to be a part of someday in the eternity ahead of us all. [Any who would desire to be a disciple of Jesus as the Bereans were - should pray for "understanding" and then "wisdom" concerning 1Timothy 2:4 AND 2Peter 3:9]
A strong delusion occurs whenever ones heart is far removed from mentoring others with God's love, and His life strengthening prudence. Or as "holy" scripture states, one has become non-empathetic and "hard-hearted" towards our Shekhinah Creator's plights in destroying the works of the devil in the earth, and also stiff-necked to not obey the "gentle" voice and leading of His Holy Spirit. [+]
[+: <> Isaiah 29:13-14 - - Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the (demonic) doctrines-of-men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Isaiah 29 ESV - - The Siege of Jerusalem
Consider:
Acts 7:51 - - "You stiff-necked people! Your hearts . . ."
Matthew 13:15
Matthew 15:8
Ephesians 4:18 <>]
ThomasGuthler said in post 225:
That would mean:
The wife who divorces a man must stay alone otherwise she commits adultry even when the man remarriages?
ThomasGuthler said in post 225:
If the divorced man remarriages there´s no chance of restoring the first marriage, so he can but it would be better not to remarrige, Mt. 19/6.
ThomasGuthler said in post 225:
What about marriages between unbelievers, is there any difference regarding divorce and remarriage?
AJCServant said in post 226:
Any who would desire to be a disciple of Jesus as the Bereans were - should pray for "understanding" and then "wisdom" concerning 1Timothy 2:4 AND 2Peter 3:9
AJCServant said in post 226:
Any who would desire to be a disciple of Jesus as the Bereans were - should pray for "understanding" and then "wisdom" concerning 1Timothy 2:4 AND 2Peter 3:9
Yes (1 Corinthians 7:11), so long as he marries a woman who hasn't already had a valid husband who's still alive (Luke 16:18b, Mark 10:12).
So to allow the divorced man to remarry is more a theoretical option, it would be better to stay single and hope for recovery from divorce with his valid first wife.The 1st (if valid) marriage can (and should) be restored (Matthew 19:6).
Pre-marital sex also makes one flesh, where is the difference, is there a difference between one flesh and one spirit? Covenant only by a legal marriage?No, for (if the marriages are valid) they're a matter of literal flesh (Matthew 19:6,9), not belief.
ThomasGuthler said in post 229:
If the divorced man does not marry again the wife must stay alone all the rest of her life?
ThomasGuthler said in post 229:
If the divorced man remarries a valid wife his first wife can also remarry?
ThomasGuthler said in post 229:
So to allow the divorced man to remarry is more a theoretical option, it would be better to stay single and hope for recovery from divorce with his valid first wife.
ThomasGuthler said in post 229:
Pre-marital sex also makes one flesh, where is the difference, is there a difference between one flesh and one spirit?
ThomasGuthler said in post 229:
Covenant only by a legal marriage?
ThomasGuthler said in post 229:
This is a reply to your statement about remarriage from another person, any thoughts here?
"1 Corinthians 7:15, lets us know we are not under the bondage of harsh servitude to a spouse that abandons us but V 16 still calls the abandoned spouse a spouse. They are in a covenant until death."
If his 1st wife was invalid and had no other, valid (and still living) husband.
1. Cor. 6/16-17What verse are you thinking of with regard to one spirit in relation to marriage?
The strong delusion means a false belief
The Rapture?
Dispensationalism?
Word of Faith?
Mormonism?
JWs?
Etc, etc.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpts and scriptures into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes “seduced” many, like Paul once was “seduced”, to fulfill >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Peter 3:16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A “strong delusion” occurs whenever ones “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” is far removed from mentoring others to knowledgeably understand God's love, and His life strengthening prudence[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [2Thessalonians 2:11] [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 29:13-14 -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]but have removed their [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]far from me[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and their fear toward me is taught by the ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]doctrines-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 29 ESV[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - The Siege of Jerusalem[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The previous scripture above, Isaiah 29:13-14, was most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviously[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] fulfilled in 70AD whenever the Jews were celebrating their “mandatory” feast days at Jerusalem “while” being surrounded by the Roman army.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Jewish Nation's “corporate” blindness that led to 70AD historically took root after the Babylonian Captivity whenever some “religious” “legalistic” scribes were “allowed” to use various scriptures as their authoritative proof-texts without others effectively voicing themselves concerning how the character and nature of God was being portrayed via those proof-texts. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Heavenly Father had obviously “allowed” these wayward texts to be published as “tares” within the scriptures - simply to train His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to learn to discern eternally holy doctrines that would promote God's holiness and love and vision for “all” of ones “neighbors” [+] from “demonic-doctrines-of-men” that do not.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And for His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to then learn how to work in concert with His Holy Spirit to “reprove” any slanders that promoted the opposite of the truth about His unchanging and eternal vision, nature and character. [Two scriptural examples of “non-believing” religious leaders who were being “trained” in God's ways of “discernment” were the scribe in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mark 12:28-34[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and Gamaliel in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Acts 5:34-39.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: To investigate how Jesus' definition of one's “neighbor” was contrary to a “religious” scribe's viewpoint see via this link to >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 10:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: The most “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obvious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” example of a “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic-doctrine-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]inserted into the Torah is[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Numbers 15:30-36[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whereby the words used for “cut-off” should never have implied executing anyone by pelting them to death with stones[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], since these were the words used to “admonish” the “faithful” non-idolaters to separate themselves from any persons who “blatantly” chose to be “idolatrous” and or to pursue “self-destructive” “heathen” practices; as Moses “admonished” in >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and as Jesus “admonished” in >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and afterwards the Apostle Paul again repeated these same “admonitions” via his writings in >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1Corinthians 5:11[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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"Strong delusion" are simply for those that don't have an agape for the Truth whenever they bump into it?That is, Truth not so filled with subtle difficult to detect 'errors' today.
Old Jack's opinion
ThomasGuthler said in post 231:
So a woman can divorce from her man but not remarry (until he dies), even when the divorced man marries a 2nd time a single, nondivorced wife?
ThomasGuthler said in post 231:
The divorced man can remarry without commiting the sin of adultry, but when his first wife wants him back he must divorce from his 2nd marriage?
ThomasGuthler said in post 231:
1. Cor. 6/16-17
"What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit"
random person said in post 232:
The strong delusion means a false belief
random person said in post 232:
The Rapture?
random person said in post 232:
Dispensationalism?