WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

[pasifika]

According to the scriptures the purpose of God's 10 commandments in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and teach us how to follow God as we are born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4 through faith *Romans 3:31. Therefore God's 10 commandments which include God's 4th commandments which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken does not point us to the law but points us to Christ so that we receive God's Grace, mercy and love through forgiveness of sins as we have faith in the blood of Christ and the death and resurrection of Gods dear son.

Yes the purpose of the 10 commandments is to gives us the knowledge of sin...so how much knowledge do you need in order to turn to Christ to save you from those sins?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes the purpose of the 10 commandments is to gives us the knowledge of sin...so how much knowledge do you need in order to turn to Christ to save you from those sins?

The wages of sin (breaking God's commandments) is death to all those who continue in known unrepentant sin once God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject it because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son according to the scriptures *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; Romans 6:23. If one loses their mirror they do not know what they look like which is why it is written; But be you doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like to a man beholding his natural face in a mirror. For he beholds himself, and goes his way, and straightway forgets what manner of man he was. But whoever looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. - James 1:22-25

 

[pasifika]

The wages of sin (breaking God's commandments) is death to all those who continue in known unrepentant sin and reject the gift of God's dear son according to the scriptures *Romans 6:23.

So why aren't you not turn to Christ to receive the Gift of God which is eternal life as you quoted in Romans 6:23?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So why aren't you not turn to Christ to receive the Gift of God which is eternal life as you quoted in Romans 6:23?

According to the scriptures there is a test to know if someone knows Christ or does not know Him as it is written in the scriptures; And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. - 1 John 2:3-4. So those who know Christ and have received His gift of eternal life believe and follow what God's Word says according to the scriptures because they are Gods' sheep and they hear His voice (the Word) and follow Him (John 10:26-27). Those who do not believe and follow what God's Word says therefore according to the scriptures do not know him and if they say that they do John says they are lying.

Take Care dear friend.

 

[pasifika]

According to the scriptures there is a test to know if someone knows Christ or does not know Him as it is written in the scriptures; And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. - 1 John 2:3-4. So those who know Christ and have received His gift of eternal life believe and follow what God's Word says according to the scriptures because they are Gods' sheep and they hear His voice (the Word) and follow Him (John 10:26-27). Those who do not believe and follow what God's Word says do not know him and if they say that they do John says they are lying.

Take Care dear friend.

How can you claim you follow God's Words and yet none of the commandments written in 1John you quoted are from the 10 commandments?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How can you claim you follow God's Words and yet none of the commandments written in 1John you quoted are from the 10 commandments?

Really what commandments are they when John says in 1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of Gods' law and James agreeing says that breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is the transgression of the law in James 2:10-11? Then the scriptures continue in 1 John 3:11-15 where John is talking about how love contrasts with hate and murder which is breaking God's 10 commandments? So your statement above is not true and neither is it supported in the scriptures as John continues; By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:2-3 and again And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it. - 2 John 1:6 see also Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10 and James 2:8-12.

Take Care

 

[pasifika]

Really what commandments are they when John says in 1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of Gods' law and James agreeing says that breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments is the transgression of the law in James 2:10-11? Then the scriptures continue in 1 John 3:11-15 where John is talking about how love contrasts with hate and murder which is breaking God's 10 commandments? So your statement above is not true and neither is it supported in the scriptures as John continues; By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:2-3

Read 1John to see the commandments He was referring to...1John 3:22-24...believe in the Name of His Son, and to Love one another..
Anyone who does not keep these commandments are law breakers or sinners..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Read 1John to see the commandments He was referring to...1John 3:22-24...believe in the Name of His Son, and to Love one another..
Anyone who does not keep these commandments are law breakers or sinners..

Let's talk detail on this one. According to Jesus love does not abolish God's law it is expressed in obedience to Gods law as we believe and follow what God's Word says, as Jesus says on these two great commandments of love to God and our fellow man hang all the law and the prophets - Matthew 22:36-40. Therefore love is God's new covenant promise that we enter into by faith and are born again in the Spirit to walk in God's Word (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Galatians 5:16) that writes Gods' law on the heart to be obedient to what Gods Word says. Love therefore is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not be breaking God's law according to Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15; John 15:10. Happy to discuss this in more detail if this is not already clear to you. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's commandments and not believing and following what God's Word says *1 John 5:2-3.

Take Care.

 

[pasifika]

Let's talk detail on this one. According to Jesus love does not abolish God's law it is expressed in obedience to Gods law as we believe and follow what God's Word says, as Jesus says on these two great commandments of love to God and our fellow man hang all the law and the prophets - Matthew 22:36-40. Therefore love is God's new covenant promise that we enter into by faith (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) that writes Gods' law on the heart to be obedient to what Gods Word says. Love therefore is expressed in obedience to Gods' law not be breaking God's law according to Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15; John 15:10. Happy to discuss this in more detail if this is not already clear to you. No one loves God therefore by breaking God's commandments and not believing and following what God's Word says *1 John 5:2-3.

Take Care.

1 John 3:11..For this is the message you have heard from the "BEGINNING": We should LOVE one Another...

 

[bbbbbbb]

Really and why is that? For example the context and subject matter of the scriptures provided are God's 10 commandments....

Matthew 19:16-21
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
[19], Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[20], The young man said to him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21], Jesus said to him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Paul agrees with Jesus here...

Romans 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.
[9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

James agrees with Jesus and Paul here..

James 2:10-11 [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

The context and subject matter here is the 10 commandments. Which also includes God's 4th commandment by the way which is one of God's 10 commandments. James says if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin because sin according to John is the transgression of the law in 1 John 3:4.

Take Care.

Actually, the context is one young man's desire to justify himself before a holy God. Jesus Christ inquired concerning his obedience to some of the commandments in the Law, but his willingness to obey God by selling all that he had and giving it to the poor. In the context, the last portion is just as significant as the earlier parts.

 

[bbbbbbb]

As posted earlier and shown through the scriptures, God's 10 commandments are Gods' eternal laws that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and teach us how to follow God as we are born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4 through faith *Romans 3:31. You were also provided scripture showing God's 10 commandments are Gods' eternal laws from the scriptures in a previous post you did not respond to earlier *see post #763 linked. I think you missed it. If all the Word of God is the gospel or God's good news of salvation through faith in God's Word then we should be careful to believe and follow what Gods' Word says, don't you think?

Thank you for showing me that, indeed, nowhere in scripture are ten of God's commandments singled out and identified as being "eternal" and all other commandments as being "temporary".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑As posted earlier and shown through the scriptures, God's 10 commandments are Gods' eternal laws that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and teach us how to follow God as we are born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4 through faith *Romans 3:31. You were also provided scripture showing God's 10 commandments are Gods' eternal laws from the scriptures in a previous post you did not respond to earlier *see post #763 linked. I think you missed it. If all the Word of God is the gospel or God's good news of salvation through faith in God's Word then we should be careful to believe and follow what Gods' Word says, don't you think?

Your response here..

Thank you for showing me that, indeed, nowhere in scripture are ten of God's commandments singled out and identified as being "eternal" and all other commandments as being "temporary".

Well that depends if you believe the scriptures in the linked post you are quoting from that show that Gods' 10 commandments are Gods' eternal law. For me personally I prefer to believe what God's Word says. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. That would be between you and God.

Take Care.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Actually, the context is one young man's desire to justify himself before a holy God. Jesus Christ inquired concerning his obedience to some of the commandments in the Law, but his willingness to obey God by selling all that he had and giving it to the poor. In the context, the last portion is just as significant as the earlier parts.

When Jesus said one thing that you lack go sell all that you have and give it to be poor and come and follow me. Jesus was showing the rich young ruler that he may have been keeping all those commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man but loved his riches more than God breaking the first three commandments. This is why he went away sorrowful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

1 John 3:11..For this is the message you have heard from the "BEGINNING": We should LOVE one Another...

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (doing) OF THE LAW.

What Paul is showing above is what John is saying in...

2 JOHN 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING

That is love is not separate from God's law. Love is expressed in obedience to God's law as we believe Gods' Word and are born again *1 John 3:6-9 to enter through faith *Romans 3:31 into God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12.

Now dear friend think about the scriptures shared with you do you love your neighbor by stealing from them? What about lying to them or committing adultery with their spouses or murdering them? As shown from the very words of Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10 and James in James 2:8-12 who agrees with John in 1 John 5:2-3 love is expressed in obedience to Gods law in all those who have been born again to receive a new heart through faith (see 1 John 3:6-9).

This is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS (Matthew 22:36-40) and if you love me keep my commandments *John 14:15; John 15:10.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[pasifika]

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (doing) OF THE LAW.

Now dear friend think about the scriptures shared with you do you love your neighbor by stealing from them? What about lying to them of committing adultery with their spouses or murdering them? This is why Jesus says on these two commandments of love hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40).

Hope this is helpful.

Well, we know instinctively when we do wrong to others and we also know when we do good. God has given us a mind, conscience and His Spirit...

Hebrews 3:12..see to it, brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Well, we know instinctively when we do wrong to others and we also know when we do good. God has given us a mind, conscience and His Spirit...

Hebrews 3:12..see to it, brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God...

Not according to the scriptures. According to the scriptures God's 10 commandments when broken give us a knowledge of what sin is...

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: for I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

ROMANS 3:20 By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN

1 JOHN 3:4 WHOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW; FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

Take Care.

 

[pasifika]

Not according to the scriptures...

ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

ROMANS 3:20 By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN

Take Care.

Yes, the Law only gives us the knowledge of Sin..then? What next...what are going to do about it? Keep looking at Law and continues in Sin or turn to Christ to cleanse you from those sins?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, the Law only gives us the knowledge of Sin..then? What next...what are going to do about it? Keep looking at Law and continues in Sin or turn to Christ to cleanse you from those sins?

This is why Jesus says truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. Do you know what this means?

 

[pasifika]

This is why Jesus says truly truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he can in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. Do you know what this means?

If you're talking about born again, then how is it that you're still looking at the Law instead of looking at Christ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If you're talking about born again, then how is it that you're still looking at the Law instead of looking at Christ?

If you do not know the answer to the questions asked of you or you do not want to answer it just say so as you do not have to if you do not want to. I am happy to answer it for you. Do you know what it means to be born again and what it means to know and be "in Christ" and to look to Christ? (scripture please)