WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

[LoveGodsWord]

1 Corinthians 15 says the burial of Jesus is included.

Well Jesus was buried how is that "good news" (gospel)?

 

[Davy]

How can the weekly Sabbath point to rest in Jesus when it points backwards to the finished work of creation before mankind sinned?

It's because Christ's future "thousand years" reign represents a 7th Period on earth, a sabbath out of 7,000 years.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Kind of but not quite but allow me to explain what I mean from the scriptures. The gospel (meaning good news) is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4) as all of God's Word is good news of God's plan of salvation given to God's people in the old and new covenant (Hebrews 4:1-3) to those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says (John 3:36). Of course the death and resurrection of Jesus is the central theme of the gospel as this is what the old covenant and new covenants both point to. The gospel is all scriptures written for our admonition upon who the ends of the world have come. Not some of it.

Hope this is helpful Dan.

Out of curiosity, is there any particular reason that you do not believe every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? Or am I misunderstanding you to actually mean only the Ten Commandments and nothing else?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Where does Paul say that the gospel is the burial of Jesus Christ or that the gospel is only the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ? There is no scripture for that is there? I do believe that the death and resurrection is the central theme of the gospel however. Did you read the OP and the posts on the first page? If so what to you think it is saying? While we are here how can we know what sin is if there is no law? - Please read post #735 linked.

Not to worry. You have already made it quite clear that I Corinthians 15 has nothing to do with the "everlasting gospel" you have developed from one verse in the Revelation.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ How can the weekly Sabbath point to rest in Jesus when it points backwards to the finished work of creation before mankind sinned?

Your response here...

It's because Christ's future "thousand years" reign represents a 7th Period on earth, a sabbath out of 7,000 years.

Where is the scriptures that says this is what the creation Sabbath is Davy? I have never read that in the scriptures to be honest. The question was how can the weekly Sabbath point to rest in Jesus when it points backwards to the finished work of creation before mankind sinned? Do you think you answered this question and if so how?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Out of curiosity, is there any particular reason that you do not believe every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God? Or am I misunderstanding you to actually mean only the Ten Commandments and nothing else?

Perhaps you have a misunderstanding and that is a question you can ask yourself. The OP shows that the true gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Not some of it like many believe sadly.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Not to worry. You have already made it quite clear that I Corinthians 15 has nothing to do with the "everlasting gospel" you have developed from one verse in the Revelation.

I see and how did I do that exactly?

 

[Danthemailman]

1 Corinthians 15 says the burial of Jesus is included.

Amen! After Jesus died and was placed in a new tomb with a large stone rolled against the door of the tomb, the next day we see that the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together saying to Pilate, while Jesus was still alive, He said, "after three days I will rise." Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, "He has risen from the dead." So the last deception will be worse than the first.” So the tomb was secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how." So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:57-66)

Then after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.” So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. (Matthew 28:1-8)

This is extremely powerful evidence of the genuine resurrection of the Savior’s body. The burial of Jesus is a matter of importance, being intricately related to both the death and His resurrection. The burial of Jesus Christ is significant. It validates his death. Christianity is based upon a buried and resurrected Savior. Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day to provide for us eternal life. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) That certainly is "good news!"

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Amen! After Jesus died and was placed in a new tomb with a large stone rolled against the door of the tomb, the next day we see that the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together saying to Pilate, while Jesus was still alive, He said, "after three days I will rise." Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the people, "He has risen from the dead." So the last deception will be worse than the first.” So the tomb was secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how." So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:57-66)

Then after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. But the angel answered and said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.” So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. (Matthew 28:1-8)

This is extremely powerful evidence of the genuine resurrection of the Savior’s body. The burial of Jesus is a matter of importance, being intricately related to both the death and His resurrection. The burial of Jesus Christ is significant. It validates his death. Christianity is based upon a buried and resurrected Savior. Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day to provide for us eternal life. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) That certainly is "good news!"

It is not good news that Jesus was buried it is good news that Jesus was resurrected from the dead. The Greek word for buried does not have the same meaning as the English word which means to be hidden underground. The Greek word θάπτω; tháptō; G2290 means to honor with funeral rites and the body of Jesus was laid in a tomb *Matthew 27:59-60 being sealed with a large stone *Matthew 27:66. This is a distraction really to "what is the real gospel?" and the real gospel as has been shown through the scriptures in the OP is every Word of God is "good news" (gospel) of God's salvation for mankind. Not some of it. The central theme of the gospel as shown in both the old and new testament scriptures is indeed the death and resurrection of Jesus where Gods' mercy, grace and forgiveness of sins is revealed through God's love for all mankind that we receive by faith in the blood of Jesus.

Take Care.

 

[com7fy8]

Well Jesus was buried how is that "good news" (gospel)?

First, our Apostle Paul says the burial of Jesus is part of what the Holy Spirit means by "gospel", in 1 Corinthians 15. The burial of Jesus is an event, not only news, by the way.

Jesus died for our sins; this is good for us. Jesus was buried >

I think of "buried with Him through baptism into death" > in Romans 6:4.

So, I can see that His burial is somehow good for us.

"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:4)

So, I now see in this, how the gospel is not only news, but it is "in which you stand" (in 1 Corinthians 15:1). I think this means the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus ministers God's grace to us so we stand in the gospel in the grace which had Jesus so loving us while dying for us, and being buried, and then raised from the dead.

We are told to live this, including to live how Jesus was loving, on the cross >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, the real gospel is also our example.

Now I think of this > the Law of Moses could not do what Jesus of the gospel has done, by His death and burial and resurrection. The gospel is about all that God is able to do, which the Law of Moses can not do. Romans 8:3 says >

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh." (Romans 8:3)

And now I think of how John the Baptist called Jesus "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (in John 1:29)

Through this, I see how Jesus does not only take away certain sins, but "the sin" which makes us able to sin. This is good, and it seems Paul is saying the burial of Jesus is somehow included in the process of this. I consider it could mean Jesus in the grave was ministering grace, somehow, for us now . . . so we stand in His burial by standing in the grace of how Jesus was while buried. We are blessed through it all, how the Law of Moses could not do.

But there is the law of God which makes people "free from the law of sin and death" > "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" > in Romans 8:2. This "law" does what the Law of Moses "could not do" (Romans 8:3).

So, in my opinion, the New Testament good news is the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus. And the grace of this is our benefit.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Perhaps you have a misunderstanding and that is a question you can ask yourself. The OP shows that the true gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Not some of it like many believe sadly.

So, why is it that you do not believe every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?

 

[com7fy8]

It is not good news that Jesus was buried it is good news that Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

In any case, the Holy Spirit says the gospel includes the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus. This is in 1 Corinthians 15. And those are events, not only the report. And Paul says "in which you stand" > standing in the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus. So, if the Holy Spirit says "you stand" in the gospel, I would say it is a good place to stand, not only good news

 

[HIM]

It is not good news that Jesus was buried it is good news that Jesus was resurrected from the dead. The Greek word for buried does not have the same meaning as the English word which means to be hidden underground. The Greek word θάπτω; tháptō; G2290 means to honor with funeral rites and the body of Jesus was laid in a tomb *Matthew 27:59-60 being sealed with a large stone *Matthew 27:66. This is a distraction really to "what is the real gospel?" and the real gospel as has been shown through the scriptures in the OP is every Word of God is "good news" (gospel) of God's salvation for mankind. Not some of it. The central theme of the gospel as shown in both the old and new testament scriptures is indeed the death and resurrection of Jesus where Gods' mercy, grace and forgiveness of sins is revealed through faith in the blood of Jesus.

Take Care.

Salvation, life here and hereafter, the gospel. Is of every word of God. Because his word through Christ now dwells in us.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Salvation, life here and hereafter, the gospel. Is of every word of God. Because his word through Christ now dwells in us.

Well said as it is written "All scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In any case, the Holy Spirit says the gospel includes the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus. This is in 1 Corinthians 15. And those are events, not only the report. And Paul says "in which you stand" > standing in the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus. So, if the Holy Spirit says "you stand" in the gospel, I would say it is a good place to stand, not only good news

I think you phrased this better by saying "includes" which is what the OP is saying. So your agreeing with the OP here now that the gospel is every Word of God?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Perhaps you have a misunderstanding and that is a question you can ask yourself. The OP shows that the true gospel is every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Not some of it like many believe sadly.

Your response here...

So, why is it that you do not believe every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?

I do believe every word of God is the gospel that is what is being shared in the OP. Your post does not make any sense to what you are responding to as shown above.

Take Care

 

[bbbbbbb]

Your response here...

I do believe every word of God is the gospel that is what is being shared in the OP. Your post does not make any sense to what you are responding to as shown above.

Take Care

By your actions as well as your words you seem to profess sole belief in the TEN COMMANDMENTS only as being the very utterances of God. You willfully choose which of the multitude of other commandments to believe and practice, do you not?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

By your actions as well as your words you seem to profess sole belief in the TEN COMMANDMENTS only as being the very utterances of God. You willfully choose which of the multitude of other commandments to believe and practice, do you not?

I see, and where did I say/do that in this OP? If I said or did no such thing in regards to this OP why are you pretending I was saying or doing things I have never said or done? Although you do indeed raise a good point. God's 10 commandments are indeed the direct spoken Words of God *Exodus 20:1-17 that Jesus says we are to live by in Matthew 4:4 that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new covenant scriptures *Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I see, and where did I say/do that in this OP? If I said or did no such thing in regards to this OP why are you pretending I was saying or doing things I have never said or done? Although you do indeed raise a good point. God's 10 commandments are indeed the direct spoken Words of God *Exodus 20:1-17 that Jesus says we are to live by in Matthew 4:4 that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken in the new covenant scriptures *Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11.

How many of God's ordinances and commandments ought to be obeyed?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How many of God's ordinances and commandments ought to be obeyed?

We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. The prophetic "shadow laws" in ordinances given after mankind sinned are now fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. These of course should not be mixed up with God's eternal law that gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172.