What is the purpose behind an eternal hell?

[-57]

Ah yes, but not all people choose to be saved.
Still though, yes i see your point, of course.
But the debt is paid for the whole world, and in one man the world fell, and in One Man the world is redeemed with God.

I don't see where the bible says you choose to be saved?

 

[Hieronymus]

I don't see where the bible says you choose to be saved?

Hmmm....
I think you can ignore the Truth.
Isn't that rather human?
We can go even further, like DENYING the Truth.

 

[-57]

Hmmm....
I think you can ignore the Truth.
Isn't that rather human?
We can go even further, like DENYING the Truth.

Once again I say...."I don't see where the bible says you choose to be saved?".

I'll call that a swing and a miss....strike one on presenting scripture.

 

[Hieronymus]

Once again I say...."I don't see where the bible says you choose to be saved?".

Or choose not too, for that matter...
I think there are plenty examples in the Bible where people either repent or do not, follow or acknowledge the Lord or not, and have that choice.

I'll call that a swing and a miss....strike one on presenting scripture.

O nooo... I doomed...

 

[DogmaHunter]

No, He chose to save everyone.

After he doomed everyone.

That's kind of like first building a 200 megaton nuke, launching it and then disengaging it minutes before impact - and being called a "hero" and "saviour" as a result.

Or first unleashing a desease on humanity and then conveniently providing the only cure.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Once again you misunderstand christianity. As for me trying to make you understand...I can't.

You can't? That's certainly interesting.

That's the job of the Holy Spirit.

And how do I differentiate the "Holy Spirit" from:
- my own mind
- my own imagination
- me being mistaken
- hallucination

I can see the cross is a stumbling block for you.

Unevidenced, unverifiable claims are stumbling block for me.
And yes, the fact that the lore itself is completely absurd, doesn't help.

Not much I can do for you considering you're still playing games and never will agree with christianity.

I'm not playing any "games"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

God did just that...He doomed everyone who is disobedient....

No. He doomed everyone after a single couple was disobedient. It's known as "the fall".

2 people were disobedient and God then thought it was necessary to not only doom them, but all of their off spring, which (according to the lore) are actually all humans.

You were not aware of this part of the story?

Just for the record, every single person who has ever lived, is living and will live will face justice (doomed).....

Being doomed for the crimes of ancestors is the opposite of justice.

unless God Himself decides to have mercy and compassion on them.
Apparently God hasn't decided to have mercy and compassion on you. Then again maybe someday God will...and He'll quicken you and give you the faith to believe.

Wow. So on top of dooming offspring for the crimes of ancestors.... Wheter or not you get "saved" is also an arbitrary choice made by this same god.

You're taking a walk with the word "justice".

 

[DogmaHunter]

It's easy to understand...It's called federal headship.

I just call it unjust, unfair and immoral.

despite that...you still sin...commit cosmic treason... and are condemned. Whether you agree with or like it.

If you say so.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You're actually getting pretty close to the truth....we are saved from God wrath. Saved from God.

"but he loves you".

Does God have to save anyone? The answer is no.

If god is a moral being, the answer is actually "yes".

 

[DogmaHunter]

The wages of sin is death. The death will be yours unless a sinless individual (Jesus) would die in your place and become your sin....IMPUTATION...

How is that justice? How is that fair? How does that make sense in any way?

Suppose your daughter gets gang raped and brutally killed by 10 people.
In court, they are all condemned to life in prison.
Then judge says "I'll go to jail in their place".
The 10 people "gracefully accept this gift" and get to go home, free as birds.

In your opinion, this is an example of "divine justice"?????

It couldn't be the devil because he has already sinned. So, simply killing the devil won't work.

It seems to me that if he would have killed the devil, the fall would have never happened.

 

[DogmaHunter]

One thing the bible has done is provide prophecy...which came to pass. Isaiah 53 is a good place to start.

As far as other "holy books"...there is only the bible.

https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/prophecies.html

There is only one quran.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[-57]

Or choose not too, for that matter...
I think there are plenty examples in the Bible where people either repent or do not, follow or acknowledge the Lord or not, and have that choice.

O nooo... I doomed...

You do that's strike two.
"I think there are plenty examples".....isn't scriptural.

 

[-57]

You can't? That's certainly interesting.



And how do I differentiate the "Holy Spirit" from:
- my own mind
- my own imagination
- me being mistaken
- hallucination



Unevidenced, unverifiable claims are stumbling block for me.
And yes, the fact that the lore itself is completely absurd, doesn't help.



I'm not playing any "games"?

You're response is demonstrating my point.

 

[-57]

No. He doomed everyone after a single couple was disobedient. It's known as "the fall".

2 people were disobedient and God then thought it was necessary to not only doom them, but all of their off spring, which (according to the lore) are actually all humans.

You were not aware of this part of the story?

I would have to say it's you who don't undertand the account...and the repercussion.
...then you try to refute something you don't understand.

 

[-57]

I just call it unjust, unfair and immoral.



If you say so.

Why is it immoral? Unjust? Unfair?
...do you not know hao a represenative works?

 

[-57]

"but he loves you".



If god is a moral being, the answer is actually "yes".

If a crowd of people are guilty of a crime...and stand before a judge....does the judge have to set any free or should the judge sentance them?
...Even if the judge "loves you"?

 

[-57]

How is that justice? How is that fair? How does that make sense in any way?

Suppose your daughter gets gang raped and brutally killed by 10 people.
In court, they are all condemned to life in prison.
Then judge says "I'll go to jail in their place".
The 10 people "gracefully accept this gift" and get to go home, free as birds.

In your opinion, this is an example of "divine justice"?????



It seems to me that if he would have killed the devil, the fall would have never happened.

Is this divine justice? Nope. What makes the judge worthy of going to jail for them?

 

[Hieronymus]

You do that's strike two.

What does that even mean?

"I think there are plenty examples".....isn't scriptural.

So what?
Isn't it true then?
Did Israel always choose to follow God?
Well, not all of them and not all the time.
You know this too, right?

 

[-57]

What does that even mean? So what?
Isn't it true then?

It means you're replying with what you think and not what the bible actually says.