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What is the purpose behind an eternal hell?

DogmaHunter

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In the analogy, yes. The guilt disappears. The guilt is imputed to the "judge".

And you actually think that makes sense?

So if your daughter is gangraped and the 10 rapists are set free, while the judge "offers himself to go to jail", you feel like justice has been served?

I don't think you are being serious.

If it wasn't for our sins being imputed to Christ and His righteousness being imputed to the believers...then no one would be saved.

So, this "all powerfull" and "all knowing" deity is limited in his options on how to "fix" his creation?

I also find it kinda ironic how you an atheist can base anything on morals. On your standards that in which morals are based upon which way the wind is blowing today.

No, my moral compass isn't based on daily whim.
It's based on an understanding of reality.
 
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So, it's your opinion that God shouldn't have incarnated and died for mans sins. No one should be saved.

No. It is my opinion that punishing scapegoats for the crimes of others, is the opposite of just and moral.

It is also my opinion that all-powerful, all-knowing and benevolent beings would not hold people responsible for the crimes of others, nore would they pass judgements on them based on stuff that they don't control (like their beliefs).
 
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Say, DogmaHunter,
Do you have to make an effort to not get it after 8077 messages, or does it come naturally?

My post count is not related to your inability to make sense of the core fundamentals of your religion.

I explained why I consider it to be nonsensical.
It's not my fault that christians then fail to show how it is sensical.
 
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And you actually think that makes sense?

So if your daughter is gangraped and the 10 rapists are set free, while the judge "offers himself to go to jail", you feel like justice has been served?
Justice would be served if the rapists went to jail. Justice will be served when you go to hell.

On the other hand there is what is called ...mercy. Mercy is having your sins imputed to Christ Jesus.
According to your belief...everyone would go to hell with no way out. There would be absolutely no mercy and only justice.
 
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No. It is my opinion that punishing scapegoats for the crimes of others, is the opposite of just and moral.

It is also my opinion that all-powerful, all-knowing and benevolent beings would not hold people responsible for the crimes of others, nore would they pass judgements on them based on stuff that they don't control (like their beliefs).

So, because you don't believe in God..your belief...and are living in rebellion against God you don't think you deserve hell when you die?
God would be immoral for sending you there?
 
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What god?

The God that designed this...



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So, because you don't believe in God..your belief...and are living in rebellion against God you don't think you deserve hell when you die?
God would be immoral for sending you there?
In your hypothetical, yes, such a being would be immoral.
 
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Justice would be served if the rapists went to jail. Justice will be served when you go to hell.

What did I do, to deserve an eternal punishment?
Especially considering that you do not know anything about me...

On the other hand there is what is called ...mercy. Mercy is having your sins imputed to Christ Jesus.

No. Mercy would simply be "I won't punish you", without further additional nonsense.
For mercy, there is no requirement at all that "someone else" must take the punishment.

That makes zero sense.

Punishing a scapegoat for the crimes of others is not mercy. It's just absurd.

According to your belief...everyone would go to hell with no way out.

Why? What has everyone done that they deserve an eternal punishment?

Your mindreading device seems broken.

According to my beliefs (ie: my moral standards and sense of justice), people should be judged on an individual basis based on what they actually DID.

According to my beliefs (ie: my moral standards and sense of justice), an infinite punishment for a finite crime is also always unjust.

According to my beliefs (ie: my moral standards and sense of justice), punishing a scapegoat for the crimes of others, is absurd and immoral.

According to my beliefs (ie: my moral standards and sense of justice), holding people responsible for crimes committed by their ancestors, is absurd and immoral.

According to my beliefs (ie: my moral standards and sense of justice), handing out punishments OR rewards based on what people believe (on faith, of all things...), is absurd and immoral.

There would be absolutely no mercy and only justice.

I have no problem with mercy when it is appropriate. There can be lots of reasons.

But my idea of mercy is limited to simply the guilty being spared of the punishment that (s)he deserves on paper. There is no requirement that someone MUST be punished. The idea that mercy can only be given to criminal A, if innocent person B goes to jail in the place of A - while A even gets a reward instead, is absurd beyond words. It's immoral beyond words.
 
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So, because you don't believe in God..your belief...and are living in rebellion against God you don't think you deserve hell when you die?

I don't need to believe in gods to entertain the hypothetical scenario of gods existing, in order to have an opinion about such a world.

Just like I don't need to believe Star Wars is a true story, in order to evaluate that society from a moral point of view and pass moral judgement on the various factions and people, like Darth Vader, the Jedi, the Empire, the Federation,... etc.

God would be immoral for sending you there?

God would be immoral to give anyone an infinite punishment for a finite crime.
 
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Why would you hold DogaHunter responsible for the ignorance of others?

Engrained mentality probably. After all, they also consider it sensical to hold all humans accountable for the "crimes" of an ancient ancestor. ;-)
 
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