What is the purpose behind an eternal hell?

[DogmaHunter]

I don't really intend to play your games. You intentially tried to muddy the waters by presenting a meaning for imputation that is not inline with the biblical definition.

No. I never heared the term before, just googled it and clicked the first link that came up.

Instead of playing riddle games, you also could have just explained the concept right after you brought it up yourself, instead of asking a question and then ranting about getting an answer that you didn't like.

Now, if you were actually serious in learning I would have expected you to post something like the following:

My "seriousness" in learning is expressed by an ability to read your mind to see what it is that you actually meant?

Imputation "is used to designate any action or word or thing as reckoned to a person. Thus in doctrinal language (1) the sin of Adam is imputed to all his descendants, i.e., it is reckoned as theirs, and they are dealt with therefore as guilty; (2) the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them that believe in him, or so attributed to them as to be considered their own; and (3) our sins are imputed to Christ, i.e., he assumed our 'law-place,' undertook to answer the demands of justice for our sins. In all these cases the nature of imputation is the same (Rom. 5:12-19; comp. Philemon 1:18, 19)."

....I trust you see and understand the difference.

Sure. But you know, you just used a bunch of fancy words to say the exact same thing.

I don't see how this changes anything.

1. off spring is still being held accountable for the "crimes" of ancestors
2. scapegoats are still being killed to abolish the "guilt" of others.

I still have to call such practices / concepts / ideas as being totally morally bankrupt. Calling it "imputation" doesn't change that. At all.

You haven't given me a single reason to rethink my position.

 

[DogmaHunter]

This is starting to become a classic. Where do y'all get this stuff from?

The bible and christians.

It's a rather easy progression of points:
- God creates heaven and hell
- God creates the rules by which souls are judged
- So God is the one that sends people to hell
- Jesus is God.
- Jesus gets sacrificed so that God can bypass his own rules and send people to heaven that, according to his own rules, should actually go to hell.
- Jesus thus "saves" us....from.....God (which is Jesus)

In other words: God sacrifices himself to himself, so save us from himself.

God could actually just say, being all-powerful and all, "you know... let's not subject people to eternal torture.. let's change the rules".

But nope... apparantly, he needs to go down this complicated circular plot where he gets sacrificed to himself so that he can stop himself from sending everybody to hell because of the rules he himself has set up, almost as if he needed a loophole in his own system, which turned out to be so flawed that every single human goes to the eternal torture chambers by default...

LOL, very hard to see how anyone can possibly believe that is a fact. Just spend 5 minutes on the boards here and see. Actually, you've already done that and really should know better.

Have you ever heared of the term "sarcasm"?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Even if the devil is gone, we still have been born with a sin nature.

Only because your God made it so.
He could have just doomed the people who actually were disobedient. But he didn't. Instead, he choose to doom everyone.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The Bible tells how by one man sin entered into the world, and by one man -Jesus Christ came the grace of God upon all men.

Yes, indeed. Exactly. It's absurd.

I am not responsible for the actions of others.
But your god holds us responsible for the actions of others.

It's the opposite of just and fair.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Adam was not like a four-year old. He was smart and even named
the beasts. As for "clean sheets"...how do you know what some-
one's true character is unless they are tested - put under pressure?

This Adam was created by your god.
So this god also created adam's character.
Are you saying that things didn't go as god planned?

 

[Kenny'sID]

The bible and christians.

It's a rather easy progression of points:
- God creates heaven and hell
- God creates the rules by which souls are judged
- So God is the one that sends people to hell
- Jesus is God.
- Jesus gets sacrificed so that God can bypass his own rules and send people to heaven that, according to his own rules, should actually go to hell.
- Jesus thus "saves" us....from.....God (which is Jesus)

In other words: God sacrifices himself to himself, so save us from himself.

God could actually just say, being all-powerful and all, "you know... let's not subject people to eternal torture.. let's change the rules".

But nope... apparantly, he needs to go down this complicated circular plot where he gets sacrificed to himself so that he can stop himself from sending everybody to hell because of the rules he himself has set up, almost as if he needed a loophole in his own system, which turned out to be so flawed that every single human goes to the eternal torture chambers by default...

I'll start by asking do you believe the Jesus is God part is accurate?

Have you ever heared of the term "sarcasm"?

A little hard to differentiate with some of the bizarre comments going on around here but thanks for the clarification.

 

[Kenny'sID]

This Adam was created by your god.
So this god also created adam's character.
Are you saying that things didn't go as god planned?

I'm only going by the little you quoted there so there may be more to this, but what did God plan in your comment there?

 

[-57]

You haven't given me a single reason to rethink my position.

Once again you misunderstand christianity. As for me trying to make you understand...I can't. That's the job of the Holy Spirit.
I can see the cross is a stumbling block for you. Not much I can do for you considering you're still playing games and never will agree with christianity.

So, eat drink and be merry.

 

[Hieronymus]

Only because your God made it so.
He could have just doomed the people who actually were disobedient. But he didn't. Instead, he choose to doom everyone.

No, He chose to save everyone.

 

[-57]

Only because your God made it so.
He could have just doomed the people who actually were disobedient. But he didn't. Instead, he choose to doom everyone.

God did just that...He doomed everyone who is disobedient....
Just for the record, every single person who has ever lived, is living and will live will face justice (doomed).....unless God Himself decides to have mercy and compassion on them.

Apparently God hasn't decided to have mercy and compassion on you. Then again maybe someday God will...and He'll quicken you and give you the faith to believe.

 

[-57]

Yes, indeed. Exactly. It's absurd.

I am not responsible for the actions of others.
But your god holds us responsible for the actions of others.

It's the opposite of just and fair.

It's easy to understand...It's called federal headship.

despite that...you still sin...commit cosmic treason... and are condemned. Whether you agree with or like it.

 

[-57]

The bible and christians.

It's a rather easy progression of points:
- God creates heaven and hell
- God creates the rules by which souls are judged
- So God is the one that sends people to hell
- Jesus is God.
- Jesus gets sacrificed so that God can bypass his own rules and send people to heaven that, according to his own rules, should actually go to hell.
- Jesus thus "saves" us....from.....God (which is Jesus)

In other words: God sacrifices himself to himself, so save us from himself.

God could actually just say, being all-powerful and all, "you know... let's not subject people to eternal torture.. let's change the rules".

But nope... apparantly, he needs to go down this complicated circular plot where he gets sacrificed to himself so that he can stop himself from sending everybody to hell because of the rules he himself has set up, almost as if he needed a loophole in his own system, which turned out to be so flawed that every single human goes to the eternal torture chambers by default...

You're actually getting pretty close to the truth....we are saved from God wrath. Saved from God.

Does God have to save anyone? The answer is no.

.....you're ignorance towards christianity shines brightly.....and by ignorance I don't mean you're an ignoramus but rather lack of knowledge. You post shows you don't understand that God didn't bypass any rules. Prior to the creation of the world the God head set the rules...and through Jesus applied the rules. As one who is dead in sin and trespasses I don't expect you have the spiritual ability to understand the rules.

 

[bhsmte]

It's easy to understand...It's called federal headship.

despite that...you still sin...commit cosmic treason... and are condemned. Whether you agree with or like it.

I guess you woukd have to provide a reason to agree.

 

[-57]

If he wants to save us from the devil... I'ld say he'ld be more succesfull by simply killing the devil, instead of himself......

The wages of sin is death. The death will be yours unless a sinless individual (Jesus) would die in your place and become your sin....IMPUTATION...
It couldn't be the devil because he has already sinned. So, simply killing the devil won't work.

 

[-57]

I guess you woukd have to provide a reason to agree.

The bible has provided the reason to agree...but as an atheist you seemed to have exchanged the truth for a lie.

 

[-57]

No, He chose to save everyone.

If God choose to save everyone....why does the bible indicate some people will not be saved? It becomes obvious God decided NOT to choose everyone.
Those that he didn't choose will receive justice.....to some God gave mercy and compassion.

 

[bhsmte]

The bible has provided the reason to agree...but as an atheist you seemed to have exchanged the truth for a lie.

The bible is the claim. Give us evidence to agree those claims are credible.

I assume, you dont believe the claims of other holy books?

 

[-57]

The bible is the claim. Give us evidence to agree those claims are credible.

I assume, you dont believe the claims of other holy books?

One thing the bible has done is provide prophecy...which came to pass. Isaiah 53 is a good place to start.

As far as other "holy books"...there is only the bible.

 

[bhsmte]

One thing the bible has done is provide prophecy...which came to pass. Isaiah 53 is a good place to start.

As far as other "holy books"...there is only the bible.

Opinion

 

[Hieronymus]

If God choose to save everyone....why does the bible indicate some people will not be saved? It becomes obvious God decided NOT to choose everyone.
Those that he didn't choose will receive justice.....to some God gave mercy and compassion.

Ah yes, but not all people choose to be saved.
Still though, yes i see your point, of course.
But the debt is paid for the whole world, and in one man the world fell, and in One Man the world is redeemed with God.