what is the evidence that universe is 13.7B years old?

[Hans Blaster]

Scientists say something that the evidence doesn’t say. That’s the point. They have pseudoscience philosophy pretending it’s science. Again the light of the planet/stars were set in the path immediately at created of them, so that you can see them even how far they are with AW. Just like Adam and Eve were created as adults immediately not babies. It’s not hard really, but scientists assume the light is an age measurement when they are IMPLYING it is when it can be a distance measurement only if the light was set in its place immediately.

So your god just tricks people in to thinking the universe is old and expanding by creating light en route to us to be detected in our telescopes?

[Later we can talk about what you do or do not know about what science is.]

 

[Leaviathan]

It's unfortunate there some who view science as the enemy and worse still consider Christians who embrace science as not being true Christians.

I was just thinking the same thing.

 

[Andre_b]

It's a fact, the dimmest stars you see in the sky are where they were thousands to millions of years ago. The Bible is 100% Faith based, where as Science is 100% fact, this is coming from a Christian, and I'm not afraid of the truth.

You have faith the it’s millions of years clearly. When the planets were created the light was already placed in transit to see it immediately. You force the other way around without actual observable evidence of that. Nice try though, nice try.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You have faith the it’s millions of years clearly. When the planets were created the light was already placed in transit to see it immediately. You force the other way around without actual observable evidence of that. Nice try though, nice try.

The planets in our solar system?

 

[Andre_b]

So your god just tricks people in to thinking the universe is old and expanding by creating light en route to us to be detected in our telescopes?

[Later we can talk about what you do or do not know about what science is.]

No you tricked yourself clearly. Not God’s problem people lie for their imaginative stories. A light year is a distance measurement not proof of age.

A light-year, alternatively spelled light year, is a large unit of length used to express astronomical distances and is equivalent to about 9.46 trillion kilometers, or 5.88 trillion miles.

It’s a distance. You folks imagine and assume things to your own destruction. There’s no evidence 100% either way. So stop lying.

 

[Andre_b]

The planets in our solar system?

all planets and suns and all objects that make up the stars in the vast trillions and trillions of them near and far far away in all the universe. All the light in its position to see them. Heck maybe we’ll get to travel to see all of them in the second life. Only if you choose it. But seems like you choose assumptions for some other heart related reasons.

 

[Hans Blaster]

all planets and suns and all objects that make up the stars in the vast trillions and trillions of them far far away. All the light in its position to see them. Heck maybe we’ll get to travel to see all of them in the second life. Only if you choose it. But seems like you choose assumptions for some other heart related reasons.

My heart has nothing to do with this (as long as it keeps beating). Just answer the question.

Does your claim about light being created en route from planets include the planets in our system?

 

[sjastro]

My heart has nothing to do with this (as long as it keeps beating). Just answer the question.

Does your claim about light being created en route from planets include the planets in our system?

Our resident science hater has been hit head on by Olber's paradox.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Our resident science hater has been hit head on by Olber's paradox.

Maybe we could get him locked in a box with mozina.

 

[Andre_b]

My heart has nothing to do with this (as long as it keeps beating). Just answer the question.

Does your claim about light being created en route from planets include the planets in our system?

Yes.

and yes your heart is part of the problem (spiritual problem). You know but you’re just being arrogant. Exactly the heart problem I was talking about.

 

[Astrid]

It's a fact, the dimmest stars you see in the sky are where they were thousands to millions of years ago. The Bible is 100% Faith based, where as Science is 100% fact, this is coming from a Christian, and I'm not afraid of the truth.

100 percent fact is a bit of a stretch

 

[Hans Blaster]

A light-year, alternatively spelled light year, is a large unit of length used to express astronomical distances and is equivalent to about 9.46 trillion kilometers, or 5.88 trillion miles.

It’s a distance. You folks imagine and assume things to your own destruction. There’s no evidence 100% either way. So stop lying.

Actually a light year is a rather *small* unit of distance to an astronomer. The only things within a light year of Earth are in the Solar system.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes.

and yes your heart is part of the problem (spiritual problem). You know but you’re just being arrogant. Exactly the heart problem I was talking about.

Arrogance isn't a heart problem. It's a mind problem. In this case what you are labeling arrogance is just me tossing aside your ridiculous claims about things in space. (and they are so very ridiculous)

And since you've finally answered (after multiple inquiries) my question about the light from planets in our Solar System being created already in transit. I should let you know that even your trickster version of a god wouldn't need to do that since the travel time for light to the various planets visible in our sky is at most a couple hours. Which we can absolutely measure and for light -- travel time and distance are interchangeable.

 

[Andre_b]

Actually a light year is a rather *small* unit of distance to an astronomer. The only things within a light year of Earth are in the Solar system.

again light measurement is a distance. Yes I know it’s a small measure of distance. It’s still measuring distance. It isn’t proof of how that light was already in motion or not. Furthermore, the way they do measurements is also problematic for measuring things more than 100 light years away. Since they use trigonometry, the angle to measure the difference of the distance of a star 6 months apart do to the rotation of earth around the sun, the distance is too far to even make enough of a difference in the angle. Using other methods also has flaws.

but even so, even if we give the measurements the benefit of a doubt, there’s no evidence the light wasn’t already in its position when everything was created instantly and set in motion for our wonderful physics. But like any science, man add stories to the science making it pseudoscience or philosophy. It’s what the eugenics program did and so did the Nazis. It’s just an example that large large groups of scientists have lied for their own selfish gain or desires.

 

[Andre_b]

Arrogance isn't a heart problem. It's a mind problem. In this case what you are labeling arrogance is just me tossing aside your ridiculous claims about things in space. (and they are so very ridiculous)

And since you've finally answered (after multiple inquiries) my question about the light from planets in our Solar System being created already in transit. I should let you know that even your trickster version of a god wouldn't need to do that since the travel time for light to the various planets visible in our sky is at most a couple hours. Which we can absolutely measure and for light -- travel time and distance are interchangeable.

You’re the trickster being willingly ignorant of the other possibility. If you want to imply willingly forcefully incorrectly on the data. That’s your own problem and the other men that do this willingly. You got problems bud.

 

[Andre_b]

Arrogance isn't a heart problem. It's a mind problem. In this case what you are labeling arrogance is just me tossing aside your ridiculous claims about things in space. (and they are so very ridiculous)

And since you've finally answered (after multiple inquiries) my question about the light from planets in our Solar System being created already in transit. I should let you know that even your trickster version of a god wouldn't need to do that since the travel time for light to the various planets visible in our sky is at most a couple hours. Which we can absolutely measure and for light -- travel time and distance are interchangeable.

you do math and get the wrong answers, therefore you blame your teachers all the time when they gave you the proper tools and you decided to make a story out of your answers.

 

[Andre_b]

Arrogance isn't a heart problem. It's a mind problem. In this case what you are labeling arrogance is just me tossing aside your ridiculous claims about things in space. (and they are so very ridiculous)

And since you've finally answered (after multiple inquiries) my question about the light from planets in our Solar System being created already in transit. I should let you know that even your trickster version of a god wouldn't need to do that since the travel time for light to the various planets visible in our sky is at most a couple hours. Which we can absolutely measure and for light -- travel time and distance are interchangeable.

must "remove the heart of stone" and replace it with "a heart of flesh" (Ezekiel 36:26)

clearly you love twisting things to your own self destruction to mock the bible and other things. The heart is simply a symbolic meaning of like “hard headed ness” of our language today. But you would arrogantly mock this saying also. Oh right you probably don’t since it’s not quoted from the Bible. Anything that comes from the Bible you must mock.

 

[sjastro]

again light measurement is a distance. Yes I know it’s a small measure of distance. It’s still measuring distance. It isn’t proof of how that light was already in motion or not. Furthermore, the way they do measurements is also problematic for measuring things more than 100 light years away. Since they use trigonometry, the angle to measure the difference of the distance of a star 6 months apart do to the rotation of earth around the sun, the distance is too far to even make enough of a difference in the angle. Using other methods also has flaws.

Don't let the facts get in the way.
(1 pc = 3.26 light years)

but even so, even if we give the measurements the benefit of a doubt, there’s no evidence the light wasn’t already in its position when everything was created instantly and set in motion for our wonderful physics. But like any science, man add stories to the science making it pseudoscience or philosophy. It’s what the eugenics program did and so did the Nazis. It’s just an example that large large groups of scientists have lied for their own selfish gain or desires.

There you do with the Nazis again!!!!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Exactly my point. A Christian should follow God’s commandments yet you are saying his commandments changed. No where does God ever say this. In fact he says it’s everlasting:
· “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” Psalms 89:34

· “...heard the voice of the words… And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.” Deuteronomy 4:12-13

people quote things out of context to claim something God never said would change. God literally says his covenant is everlasting and will never break it not alter ehat has gotten out of his lips. He literally spoke the Ten Commandments at mount Sinai and people claim he altered it for the New Covenant yet the New Covenant constantly says to keep the commandments is love. Law of Moses was two things, Pauls says the ordinances of the law are not what matters but the commandments itself 1 Corinthians 7:19

not only that why would God separate the commandments if it was exactly the same as the laws of Moses? He clearly shows the difference between both constantly in the Old and New:

“Take this Book of the Law and place it BESIDE the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.” Deuteronomy 31:26


“And I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke; and you shall put them IN the ark.’” Deuteronomy 10:2


God Spoke the Ten Commandments DIRECTLY TO ISRAELITES AT MOUNT SINAI. HE DIRECTLY COMMANDED THEM:


2 Kings 21:8 “Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.”


They Transgressed GOD’s LAW so the LAW OF MOSES was given as a result of PAYMENT DUE:


Again obeyed God’s voice as he SPOKE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS DIRECTLY TO ISRAELITES:

Daniel 9:11 “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.”


“And the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; you only heard a voice. 13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.” Deuteronomy 4:11

There’s more but it’s fairly clear. People harden their hearts though. God asks us to repent, of what exactly?

Scientists say something that the evidence doesn’t say. That’s the point. They have pseudoscience philosophy pretending it’s science. Again the light of the planet/stars were set in the path immediately at created of them, so that you can see them even how far they are with AW. Just like Adam and Eve were created as adults immediately not babies. It’s not hard really, but scientists assume the light is an age measurement when they are IMPLYING it is when it can be a distance measurement only if the light was set in its place immediately.

Wow, you wrote a lot in that post, Andre. That's amazing!! What amazes me even more is that it looks like you did so without reading a word of what I said in my previous post, because from the context of what I said, you responded to none of it and proceeded to move along your own tangents, ones which I didn't even touch upon.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It's unfortunate there some who view science as the enemy and worse still consider Christians who embrace science as not being true Christians.

Freeman Dyson probably better known for Dyson Spheres was a Christian scientist, mathematical genius and sadist for inflicting the Dyson series on physics and maths post graduates.
The Dyson series is so complicated Richard Feynman introduced a pictorial representation to make it easier to understand.

Here Dyson briefly discusses the issues of science and religion in his occupation including some controversial statements about Einstein.

That's cool! I've been aware of Dyson, but I didn't know these details about him. That's interesting. Thanks for sharing that.