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Featured What is the Day of the Lord?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jul 6, 2017.

  1. Revealing Times

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    The Day of the Lord is A DAY that Gods Wrath of 3.5 Years starts. The First Seal starts the Lambs Wrath the Last Vial ends the Fathers Wrath, all are of Course Gods Wrath. We can see both in the first four verses of Zechariah 14.

    Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    Verses 1 and 2 is clearly the First Seal being broken, the Ant-Christ/Beast comes forth and Conquers Jerusalem, ravishes the city and takes many captive. BUT Many Jewish peoples Flee to the Wilderness, where God protects them.

    Verses 3 and 4 is of course Vials number 6 and 7. The Nations gather at Armageddon and then Jesus lands on the Mt. of Olives and causes an Earthquake, then he defeats all of the Anti-Christs evil minions. Just what Rev. 16 says.

    I disagree here. The Day of the Christ is the Day of the Lord, Christ is the Lord. What was it that the Thessalonians feared? That they were not going to be Gathered unto Jesus Christ, but rather they were going to go through Gods Wrath. Paul says, DON'T FEAR, if you have heard this from anyone, or if someone sent you a letter and told you I said this, its not true....For THAT DAY can not come unless the Church DEPARTS (Not Falls Away from the Faith) first, and then that MAN OF SIN (Anti-Christ) shows up. MEANING......The Day of the Lord happens at the 3.5 year Mark, half way into the Covenant (Agreement) the European Anti-Christ makes with MANY. So Paul is telling these Thessalonians, how can you possibly go through the Day of Christ (Lord) when that DAY can not come until the Rapture happens and the Anti-Christ comes forth to Conquer, the First Seal brings the Day of the Lord in other words, and the Anti-Christ must be on the scene for 3.5 Years before he breaks his Peace/Security Deal.

    This is spot on except for one minor point. I think the Remnant mentioned in Rev. 12:17 are the Church, that might not have been your point anyway, because only a 1/3 of the Jews will be saved. Per Zechariah we know 2/3 will not make it. BUT...All Israel will be saved, but not all Jews, that point is lost on so many people, Paul via Isaiah, is talking about Israel as a nation, turning back unto God, thus the 70th Week Decree is fulfilled in that Israel atones and turns from their Rebellion. They (1/3) will be ALL ISRAEL, the rest will perish. In Malachi 4:5-6 we are told Elijah is sent to turn Israel back to God before the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. Thus the Two-Witnesses show up just before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, that's when he becomes the Beast for 42 Months. Further proof that you have to Conquer Israel in order to be a BEAST.

    Pretty spot on also, but the Seventh Vial ends in Rev. 16:19-21, Rev. 17 happens during Rev. 6, Rev. 18 happens from Rev. chapters 6 through Rev. 16 and Rev. 19 is the full Seven Year Event. The church marries the Lamb then we come back and Armageddon happens. Rev. 19 is just the full picture of what the Church/Bride goes through for all Seven Years. Rev. 14, 16 and 18 is the exact same event. Rev. 14 is the Harvest/Winepress of Gods Wrath, Jesus lands on Mt. Zion and Babylon Falls. Rev. 16 is the Battle of Armageddon, the same as the Winepress of Gods Wrath. Rev. 18 is Babylon/World, the Statue of Governments being hit with the Plagues of God. The Seals, Trumpets and the Seven Vials. It ends of course with the Seventh Vial also. Babylon Falls in ALL THREE CHAPTERS. In 14 it says Babylon has Fallen, has Fallen. In Rev. 16:19 it says the Nations that FALL are seen as Babylon by God and he gives them his wrath. In Rev. 18 it again says Babylon is Fallen. ALL THREE ARE THE SAME EVENT !!

    IMHO, As per The Lords Day..... is only referencing the day Jesus rose from the Dead. Every day is Holy to the Gentile Christian. Every day is Holy unto the Jewish Christian, but as Paul stated, if a man eat meat, judge him not, if a man keeps a certain day, judge him not. If people want to keep the Sabbath unto God, that's their business, I think Jewish people probably should, but I do not think it is needed with the Holy Spirit living in us, all days are to be Holy unto us.

    Overall I would giver your write-up an A-

    Spot on on everything except the Day of Christ, and that whole passage is misinterpreted to start with, so that's not a big deal. Good Job.
     
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  2. Quasar92

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    Show me from historic record where Israel ever occupied the land from the Euphrates to the Nile rivers, as I requested from you previously. Your above rationalizing is invalid.


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  3. Quasar92

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    Well done work. Thank for the kudos. For the record, I stand by all that I posted in #8, in describing the difference between the Day of the Lord and the Day of Christ. Which is also recognized as such y many other expositors.

    The use of the term "Lord," pertains to the Father in the OT as well as for Jesus, in the NT. It was used thousands of times in the OT, as a substitute for the name God gave to Israel, of YHWH/Yahwey, which they substituted with Lord and other names, such as Adonai, out of both fear as well as reverence.

    The following provides insight to the purpose and reasons for the tribulation, in which He will deqal with Israel. The Church is not involved at all.

    Israel's Sabbatical Year

    In reaching a correct understanding of Daniel 9:24-27, it is necessary to understand the circumstances that occasioned the giving of this revelation by God to Daniel. No one questions that it relates to Israel’s Babylonian captivity for failure to observe the sabbatical year, given to Israel by the Lord. But how does that relate to the 70-weeks prophecy? As part of the stipulations in the Mosaic Law Code, Israel was to let her land lay fallow every seventh year.
    “Speak to the sons of Israel, and say to them, ‘When you come into the land which I shall give you, then the land shall have a sabbath to the Lord. Six years you shall sow your field, and six years you shall prune your vineyard and gather in its crop, but during the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath rest, a sabbath to the LORD; you shall not sow your field nor prune your vineyard. Your harvest’s aftergrowth you shall not reap, and your grapes of untrimmed vines you shall not gather; the land shall have a sabbatical year. And all of you shall have the sabbath products of the land for food; yourself, and your male and female slaves, and your hired man and your foreign resident, those who live as aliens with you’” (Lev. 25:2-6).

    Leviticus 26 provides the sanctions that God would impose upon Israel for the years that they did not obey the specifications of a sabbatical year.

    "Then the land will enjoy its sabbaths all the days of the desolation, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. All the days of its desolation it will observe the rest which it did not observe on your sabbaths, while you were living on it." (Lev. 26:34-35).

    "For the land shall be abandoned by them, and shall make up for its sabbaths while it is made desolate without them. They, meanwhile, shall be making amends for their iniquity, because they rejected My ordinances and their soul abhorred My statutes." (Lev. 26:43).

    The Lord clearly revealed to Israel on how they were keeping or not keeping His Law in the historical book of Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles and why Israel was sent away to Babylon for 70 years in the following passage:

    "And those who had escaped from the sword he carried away to Babylon; and they were servants to him and to his sons until the rule of the kingdom of Persia, to fulfill the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed its sabbaths. all the days of its desolation it kept sabbath until seventy years were complete." (2 Chr. 36:20-21).
    What passage in Jeremiah was the statement in Chronicles referring to? The following two references provide the answer.

    And this whole land shall be a desolation and a horror, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years (Jer. 25:11).

    For thus says the Lord, “When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place.” (Jer. 29:10).

    It is clear from the above passages that God had a specific reason behind the deportation of the Southern Kingdom (Judah) to Babylon for 70 years. This would mean that Israel violated the sabbatical year 70 times. The Jews entered the Promised Land around 1450 b.c. and were deported to Babylon around 600 b.c. This means that they were in the land about 850 years before the Babylonian deportation. Had they disobeyed the sabbatical year commandment every seventh year, it would mean that they should have been in captivity for more than 121 years. Instead, they were held captive for 70 years, meaning that they were disobedient for only 490 of the 850 years in the land. This would mean that there were breaks or gaps in the accumulation of the 490 years, during the 850-year period, that resulted in Israel’s 70-year captivity. Why is this important? Because many of the critics of the literal interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 insist that it is unreasonable to have gaps in that 490-year period. Which is false, since there were many gaps in the 490-year period related to the Babylonian Captivity.


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  4. Revealing Times

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    Not always. Usually the Father was mentioned with all capitals and the Son was mentioned with a capital L.

    Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD (Father) said unto my Lord(Jesus), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

    Jesus' name is Yesuah which means Salvation. So many times when we see the word salvation in the Old Testament it actually means Jesus the Savior, if you can pit it together. Just a tidbit I threw in.
     
  5. jgr

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    Joshua 21:43 is conclusive regarding the land promise fulfillment. It is corroborated by 1 Kings 4:21 and 2 Chronicles 9:26.

    So now it's your turn. Cite any scripture, as equally conclusive as Joshua 21:43, that proves that Israel did not receive its promised land.

    We're waiting.
     
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  6. BABerean2

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    Show me where the New Testament says that the land would be given back to the nation that rejects the "chief cornerstone".

    Mat 21:37  But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 
    Mat 21:38  But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 
    Mat 21:39  And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 
    Mat 21:40  When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 
    Mat 21:41  They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 
    Mat 21:42  Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 
    Mat 21:43  Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 




    The holy nation that accepted the "chief cornerstone" is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

    1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 


    The Son is the "heir" to the land.

    He paid for it in Blood.


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  7. Quasar92

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    I'm still waiting for you to show me when in all history, Israel ever occupied the land from the Euprates to the Nile rivers!


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  8. jgr

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    Why would I show you anything other than the Word of God Himself?
     
  9. Quasar92

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    The word of God promised Israel the land from the Ehphrates to the Nile rivers... which HAS NOT yet been fulfilled. And you have failed to prove otherwise. Arguing from an empy wagon is a complete failure!


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  10. jgr

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    Are you denying that Joshua 21:43 is the Word of God?
     
  11. Dave-W

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    Absolutely. AMEN!!

    But none of that ties it to "Sunday."
     
  12. Quasar92

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    More argument from an empty wagon. When you read what wrote, you will find agreement. Not denial. Show me from all past history where and when Israel ever occupied the land from the Euphrates to the Nile rivers.


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  13. jgr

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    The only thing I'll show you is the unambiguous undeniable inspired inerrant Word of God in Joshua 21:43.
     
  14. ICONO'CLAST

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    The wording in mt28..toward the end of the sabbaths, and the beginningof the sabbaths

    Matthew 28Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
    28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
     
  15. keras

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    It is noted how you ignore the Bible truths about how ancient Israel never did fully conquer all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, in Judges 1:19-36.
    Also even Solomon never controlled as far as the Nile. 2 Chronicles 7:8...only as far as the Brook of Egypt; a wadi between Gaza and Port Said.
    It will be all the people of God, His Christians from every race and nation, that will finally occupy all of the holy Land. Isaiah 66:8b-21, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 60:4-12, Psalms 69:32-36, Revelation 7:9
     
  16. jgr

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    Does Joshua 21:43 ignore the Bible truths?
     
  17. Dave-W

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    Yes the Lord was resurrected on the first day of the week, coinciding with the Spring Feast of Yom haBikkurim - Day of First Fruits.

    But how exactly is that tied to Rev 1 "the Day of the Lord" or "the Lord's Day?"
     
  18. keras

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  19. jgr

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    You and I both know that Scripture doesn't contradict itself, so there can't be an anomaly. If you think there is one, then you'll have to decide whether the problem lies with the scripture, or with yourself.
     
  20. keras

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    The problem is entirely with you, in believing that Israel kept their side of God's promises, because plainly and irrefutably: they didn't, as Judges 1 attests.
    Only in the last few years of this era, will God's people finally and exclusively occupy all of the holy Land. Matthew 5:5, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 9:24-26
     
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