Futurist Only What is the chronological order of Revelation?

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You are not visualizing the world near the end of the great tribulation. The situation in Ukraine, and raising an army in the current world situation is not comparable to when the survival of all the people in a nation is imminent.

i was in the U.S. army for three years, artillery. You are talking to me about things I know about. The bible does not go in to detail on training, logistics, armament, fuel, etc. when the time comes when God will draw all nations into the middle east, to ultimately band together to make war on Jesus.
I am and its not going to change that much in the next decade or so. If you were in the army you should know that a 200 million man army with its equipment, logistics etc is impossible right now. There isn't even the manufacturing capability at present to make the stuff needed. No one is going to build that capacity either in the short term, it will take years.

An army that big is just useless in the face of nukes, even in the face of conventional weapons like cluster bombs, B52's etc.
That 40 mile column of troops the Russians had, could easily have been wiped out by some B52 / B1 raids if the US wanted to risk a nuclear war.

The amount of fuel, food logistics to get an army from China all the way to israel is just not doable.
So unless a nuke war happens soon, things just are not going to change that fast.
Even if Russia win in Ukraine (they probably won't, missed their chance) they would then spend time incorporating it into Russia, rebuilding their military and dealing with the sanctions wrecking their economy. Thats 10 to 20 years right there.

Now the bible says that this army marches along a dried up Euphrates, are you aware that some global warming models predict that rivers like the Euphrates will dry up due to climate change, but not for several decades yet.
So the Euphrates may well be dry one day for a huge army to march along, but not for decades.
 
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I am and its not going to change that much in the next decade or so. If you were in the army you should know that a 200 million man army with its equipment, logistics etc is impossible right now. There isn't even the manufacturing capability at present to make the stuff needed. No one is going to build that capacity either in the short term, it will take years.

An army that big is just useless in the face of nukes, even in the face of conventional weapons like cluster bombs, B52's etc.
That 40 mile column of troops the Russians had, could easily have been wiped out by some B52 / B1 raids if the US wanted to risk a nuclear war.

The amount of fuel, food logistics to get an army from China all the way to israel is just not doable.
So unless a nuke war happens soon, things just are not going to change that fast.
Even if Russia win in Ukraine (they probably won't, missed their chance) they would then spend time incorporating it into Russia, rebuilding their military and dealing with the sanctions wrecking their economy. Thats 10 to 20 years right there.

Now the bible says that this army marches along a dried up Euphrates, are you aware that some global warming models predict that rivers like the Euphrates will dry up due to climate change, but not for several decades yet.
So the Euphrates may well be dry one day for a huge army to march along, but not for decades.
Have you ever considered that they will be eating the dead bodies of the third of mankind they will kill on their way to the middle east ?
 
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Have you ever considered that they will be eating the dead bodies of the third of mankind they will kill on their way to the middle east ?
Well, if a 200 million man army ever marches from China to Israel, the people along the way are not going to stay and be food for them, they will flee, and any armies fighting them won't be enough to sustain them.
If they're in a rush, they are not going to stop and wipe out countries & populations. They will try and get to Israel as quickly as possible. Think it through some more. Again, look at Ukraine, non-combatants are fleeing wherever possible. An army that has to fight its way to Israel from China will need order of magnitude more supplies again than just marching there. If it ever happens, it won't be for decades or possibly centuries.
 
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Well, if a 200 million man army ever marches from China to Israel, the people along the way are not going to stay and be food for them, they will flee, and any armies fighting them won't be enough to sustain them.
If they're in a rush, they are not going to stop and wipe out countries & populations. They will try and get to Israel as quickly as possible. Think it through some more. Again, look at Ukraine, non-combatants are fleeing wherever possible. An army that has to fight its way to Israel from China will need order of magnitude more supplies again than just marching there. If it ever happens, it won't be for decades or possibly centuries.
The bible does not say that a third of mankind flees from the 200,000,000 man army. It say that they will killed by them.

You are trying to rationalize away why it can't happen in the very near future, instead of applying the parable of the fig tree that the 7 years are very near.
 
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The bible does not say that a third of mankind flees from the 200,000,000 man army. It say that they will killed by them.

You are trying to rationalize away why it can't happen in the very near future, instead of applying the parable of the fig tree that the 7 years are very near.
I don't think that people are going to be reading the bible and saying, 'ok, i'm supposed to get in the way of this army and get killed, "Ok honey, i'm going away for a while, may not be back!, Don't wait up, Bye" '

If you look at the most direct path from China to the middle east, there aren't a 1/3 of mankind in the way of it.

Your logic is the same as all those who have been predicting the 2nd coming for decades now and always being wrong.
 
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If you look at the most direct path from China to the middle east, there aren't a 1/3 of mankind in the way of it.
Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India comprise a sizeable chunk of earth's population. You have to keep in mind that the demographics are going to be different at the end of the 7 years, because of people dying in mass numbers during the great tribulation.
 
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Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India comprise a sizeable chunk of earth's population. You have to keep in mind that the demographics are going to be different at the end of the 7 years, because of people dying in mass numbers during the great tribulation.

The countries may but this army will be marching through in a narrow band, maybe 1 mile wide, at the most and just aiming to get to the other side of the country to get to middle east (israel). The army is not going to be wandering around a country laying waste to it, again, if time is short they won't have that luxury, they have to get to isreal quickly, in which case they bypass most of a countries population except those directly in their 1 mile wide path.

If people are dying en mass then the populations will be even sparser in the countries traversed.
Your proposition still doesn't add up.
 
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I'm nearing the 7 bowls of wrath and see some possible overlap with the 7 Trumpets. I found a video that depicts the 7 Seals proceeding the 7 bowls of wrath and 7 trumpets, where each bowl is in parallel with each trumpet. In other words, the 7 seals are sequental and 7 bowls and 7 trumpets are sequential, but each bowl = trumpet, so Trumpet 1 happens at the same time as the 1st bowl, 2nd trumpet = 2nd bowl, and so on. So for Futurists only, what is the chronological order of the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, and the 7 bowls of wrath? Also, does the Lord's opening of the first seal represent the start of the 7 year period or the mid point of tribulation? Finally, I can't determine the timing of the rapture, but it seems clear it is either pre-trib or mid-trib. Which do you believe, and why?

Ideally I'd like to see the chronology in charts or any visual aide, but feel free to write paragraphs too.

Also if you know of a video that explains the chronology of Revelation that you found expecially insightful, please list that as well.

Hi Jeff....

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How do you know that ?
I don't but 1 mile wide was being very generous, they could just stick to already built roads etc in which case it will be much narrower, but long though of course. Otherwise they need to bring earth moving equipment with them too, yet more supplies!
 
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The 200 million strong army is the Islamic Federation that spreads throughout the world killing all who do not take the Mark of their leader.

(Rev. 9: 13 - 21)
Maybe, but then it will take years to forcibly convert the world.
 
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I don't but 1 mile wide was being very generous, they could just stick to already built roads etc in which case it will be much narrower, but long though of course. Otherwise they need to bring earth moving equipment with them too, yet more supplies!
None of us know anything about the specifics. So just stop making claims that have no biblical basis. The kings of the east and their 200,000, 000 man army are going to kill a third of mankind, and it involves the Euphrates dried up in the process - because the bible says so.

And there is biblical basis for when, what generation it will be, that it happens by the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24.
 
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None of us know anything about the specifics. So just stop making claims that have no biblical basis. The kings of the east and their 200,000, 000 man army are going to kill a third of mankind, and it involves the Euphrates dried up in the process - because the bible says so.

And there is biblical basis for when, what generation it will be, that it happens by the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24.
You also need to stop making claims that have no hope of happening in the next 10 years.
 
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Maybe, but then it will take years to forcibly convert the world.

In usual circustances maybe, but not if they control, (by deceit) the IMF`s CBDC, (Central Bank`s Digital Currency). And that will be programmed and operate like giving people a `voucher.`
 
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In usual circustances maybe, but not if they control, (by deceit) the IMF`s CBDC, (Central Bank`s Digital Currency). And that will be programmed and operate like giving people a `voucher.`
Maybe, but in any case your scenario is decades into the future.
 
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Only one correct way.
Well yes, that goes without saying. What I meant was that there are several ways to interpret that parable, your's being just one of them. Not all of them can be correct, your's probably isn't, at least not in its time estimate.
 
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