What is the “one baptism” mentioned in Ephesians 4:5? (I have an answer, but I would like input).

[Neogaia777]

The baptism by fire and Spirit baptism are the same thing, and means you were forever changed by that baptism sometime during your lifetime here, etc. Water baptism is a symbol of that, and is one's public declaration of the spirit/fire baptism that they are now publicly declaring, or are now fully ready to let be made known to everybody fully, as you are no longer afraid to tell everyone the truth about your whole entire born-again testimony now already, etc. And the public declaration is also now declaring that you are also now fully willing/ready/able to do that now honestly, since you also now fully know about it all now already, etc.

Full immersion symbolizes it best, as your declaration is that it almost overwhelmed you, or almost took you under/killed you, ort almost totally destroyed/drowned you, etc,in etc, etc, and that is also now a part of your testimony, etc.

You were born again by the firey trials and/or ordeals that you went through, most of which were all your own stupid fault due to your own past stupidity. But also that also God was a huge part of that, and still had a big huge hand in getting you fully out of that fully, and this now a big huge part of your born again testimony, etc, or of how you became a believer/Christian now up to today entirely, etc.

Anyway, getting water baptized is a declaring of all of that now publicly, etc. Has a lot to do with your testimony, etc. And your now being ready to give your 100% honest and fully correct/accurate full public testimony now publicly, etc.

Water baptism does not save, but only the Spirit baptism can/does only, etc.

If someone dies before being water baptized, then their being saved or not will depend of whether or not they were baptized by the Holy Spirit or not prior to that and/or previously, etc.

God Bless.

Or at least, this is what I know about it, and it is part of my testimony for me, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

The baptism by fire and Spirit baptism are the same thing, and means you were forever changed by that baptism sometime during your lifetime here, etc. Water baptism is a symbol of that, and is one's public declaration of the spirit/fire baptism that they are now publicly declaring, or are now fully ready to let be made known to everybody fully, as you are no longer afraid to tell everyone the truth about your whole entire born-again testimony now already, etc. And the public declaration is also now declaring that you are also now fully willing/ready/able to do that now honestly, since you also now fully know about it all now already, etc.

Full immersion symbolizes it best, as your declaration is that it almost overwhelmed you, or almost took you under/killed you, ort almost totally destroyed/drowned you, etc,in etc, etc, and that is also now a part of your testimony, etc.

You were born again by the firey trials and/or ordeals that you went through, most of which were all your own stupid fault due to your own past stupidity. But also that also God was a huge part of that, and still had a big huge hand in getting you fully out of that fully, and this now a big huge part of your born again testimony, etc, or of how you became a believer/Christian now up to today entirely, etc.

Anyway, getting water baptized is a declaring of all of that now publicly, etc. Has a lot to do with your testimony, etc. And your now being ready to give your 100% honest and fully correct/accurate full public testimony now publicly, etc.

Water baptism does not save, but only the Spirit baptism can/does only, etc.

If someone dies before being water baptized, then their being saved or not will depend of whether or not they were baptized by the Holy Spirit or not prior to that and/or previously, etc.

God Bless.

Or at least, this is what I know about it, and it is part of my testimony for me, etc.

God Bless.

In times past, people often were so convicted, or were so often otherwise affected emotionally by the back then very rare and very new preaching/teaching that they were just now hearing, that it caused them to be humbled on the spot, and caused an instantaneous change on the spot, and so, they were often water baptized right then and there andon the spot, etc.

But people today, now being so very, very aware of so many different levels and types of emotional manipulation nowadays, etc, are much less affected by those kinds of things nowadays, and are much, much more affected/humbled by either, an example, or a series of life experiences or events than they most usually ever are by mere words nowadays, which is why it is sometimes a process, and is much, much less of a more instantaneous conversion on the spot nowadays.

But after a most definite for sure change has taken place, one should seek to be water baptized as a public declaration of that, etc, and also when they feel they are ready to be able to give a true, and right, and accurate/honest testimony, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

In times past, people often were so convicted, or were so often otherwise affected emotionally by the back then very rare and very new preaching/teaching that they were just now hearing, that it caused them to be humbled on the spot, and caused an instantaneous change on the spot, and so, they were often water baptized right then and there andon the spot, etc.

But people today, now being so very, very aware of so many different levels and types of emotional manipulation nowadays, etc, are much less affected by those kinds of things nowadays, and are much, much more affected/humbled by either, an example, or a series of life experiences or events than they most usually ever are by mere words nowadays, which is why it is sometimes a process, and is much, much less of a more instantaneous conversion on the spot nowadays.

But after a most definite for sure change has taken place, one should seek to be water baptized as a public declaration of that, etc, and also when they feel they are ready to be able to give a true, and right, and accurate/honest testimony, etc.

God Bless.

And speaking of the way it used to be done, water baptisms were supposed to follow good preaching, etc. If there was a body of water nearby, then right after the preaching, many times that's when people would get water baptized. There is something wrong with telling a person they need to schedule it, or go to be at a particular place at a particular time to do it, etc. "Oh, you want to be baptized now because of what you just heard? OK, no problem, we will be doing water baptisms two months from now at such and such a place and time on October the 22nd on a Thursday, make sure to bring your swim trunks with you so you can change in our locker room before you do it, ok."

I'm sorry, but there is something very, very wrong with that picture, etc. And it's not even following any good preaching a lot of the time, etc.

In my opinion, and maybe instead of altar calls, there should always be some kind of body of water always very, very nearby to the pulpit, etc, and it should be perfectly normal and fine for people to go and get dunked by the pastor immediately following a sermon, etc, even if they are going to do it fully clothed, etc, and the pastor should not have to change his clothes either (but maybe just have a dry change of clothes to get back into dry clothes again after, etc). This is the way it was done way back when a lot of the time, and so I think it still needs to be that way again now, etc. And this is precisely why I haven't been water baptized yet, because they want you to schedule it, and most of the time, it's even a few months out, and it doesn't follow the preaching of the pastor, and is sometimes not even being done by the pastor, and that part is "huge", like "really huge", etc, the one giving the message needs to also be the one doing the baptizing, etc, but often they have "assistants" doing it, etc, like the one giving the message was too good for them to get into the water with them right then and there, etc. To me, it just completely loses any kind of "thing" that might have been special about, or might have made it special right then and there, etc. No kind of "magic" to any of it at all after that, etc.

A person also should not have to belong to your church to be water baptized as well as all of the rest of this either, etc, but can just be a visitor, or just some passerby who was so moved by your preaching that he now wants to turn his life around, give his life to Christ, and wants to right now then and there be water baptized, etc.

That should always still be available always, but sadly, it's not ever anymore nowadays, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Arctangent]

It is not "one kind of baptism", as in water but not spirit, or spirit but not water. Rather, one baptism for all people, as opposed to a baptism for the Jews and a baptism for the Gentiles. The emphasis is on Jews and Gentiles being fellow heirs of the promises made to Abraham, and that there is no difference between them and they form one single body.

 

[Dan Perez]

In times past, people often were so convicted, or were so often otherwise affected emotionally by the back then very rare and very new preaching/teaching that they were just now hearing, that it caused them to be humbled on the spot, and caused an instantaneous change on the spot, and so, they were often water baptized right then and there andon the spot, etc.

But people today, now being so very, very aware of so many different levels and types of emotional manipulation nowadays, etc, are much less affected by those kinds of things nowadays, and are much, much more affected/humbled by either, an example, or a series of life experiences or events than they most usually ever are by mere words nowadays, which is why it is sometimes a process, and is much, much less of a more instantaneous conversion on the spot nowadays.

But after a most definite for sure change has taken place, one should seek to be water baptized as a public declaration of that, etc, and also when they feel they are ready to be able to give a true, and right, and accurate/honest testimony, etc.

God Bless.

I have yet to see the Greek word for IMMERSION and would like to see where it is found in the bible ?

What I have seen that the Greek , FIRE // PUR means , speaks of JUDGMENT .

dan p

 

[sparow]

Update:

I have changed my position on this. This thread was originally created with the belief that taught that Spirit baptism replaced water baptism. But now I have abandoned this viewpoint and I believe water baptism is now a requirement as a part of the faith.

I attempted to remove any post of my defense on Spirit baptism replacing water baptism.

The likes received on this post are from my support on my old position that Spirit baptism replacing water baptism (of which I no longer believe).

Water Baptism is a sanctuary service brought forward into the new order, done once instead of daily. John who preached, "Repent, the kingdom of God is near", baptized to wash away sin. Baptism is where a person consents and commits; other forms of baptism metaphorically represents God's response. With one baptism, the key is "one", identifying the God and the assembly.

 

[Dan Perez]

It's Christian Baptism, which is always with water. The Bible never mentions "water baptism", because that is redundant, Baptism always involves water. And this Baptism isn't referring to Jewish ritual ablations (tevilah), or to St. John the Baptist's baptism which was a ritual ablation done for repentance in anticipation of the coming of the Messiah. It is specifically that Baptism which Christ Himself gave and instituted, where He says, "Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit".

There are times where Scripture speaks of analogical "baptisms", for example the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost is the fulfillment of where St. John the Baptist says that He who would come after him will "baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire" (though others think the "and with fire" refers not to Pentecost, but rather to a "baptism of fire" i.e. persecution or perhaps judgment). In the same way Jesus uses baptism analogically when He speaks of His Passion as a "baptism", asking His disciples if they can be baptized with the same baptism He will, or drink from the same cup as Him, speaking of His sufferings. St. Paul, in a similar way, speaks of the Israelites having received a "baptism" "into Moses" through the red sea.

So the language of baptism in figurative and poetic ways, such as the above, do exist. But when Scripture speaks of baptism, it really and quite simply means what it says. When it says baptism, it means baptism. It means the Sacrament of Baptism, the "washing of water with the word" (Ephesians 5:26) as St. Paul says. This is the baptism Christ gave to the Church in the Great Commission, the baptism St. Peter mentions in Acts 2:38, the baptism Paul talks about in Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:12-13. It's what Jesus is talking about in John 3:5, echoed again by St. Paul in Titus 3:5.

This has always been the belief of the Christian Church since the beginning. It's what the Apostles taught and believed, and what Christians have always confessed--because it's what the Bible quite plainly and objectively says and means. There's simply no confusion on this subject when one looks at what has been written from the New Testament onward throughout Christian history. At least until modern times in the past several hundred years where a minority of Christians have gone off and formed radically new doctrines and ideas which are completely foreign to Scripture and to the historic confession of faith.

-CryptoLutheran

An if BAPTISM is for today , What does Eph 4:5 says , One // HEIS , Lord , ONE // HEIS , ONE // HEIS , BAPTISMA is what the Greek text is written .
And ONE // HEIS , means ONE !!

SINCE ONE // HEIS means , what doe ONE // HEIS , BAPTISMA , THEN MEAN ??

Here is just one of many !!

In 1 Cor 10:2 reads , And all were BAPTIZED together , UNTO Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA .

And the text you will ever see WATER // HUDOR in the Greek text .

dan p

 

[LoveofTruth]

In times past, people often were so convicted, or were so often otherwise affected emotionally by the back then very rare and very new preaching/teaching that they were just now hearing, that it caused them to be humbled on the spot, and caused an instantaneous change on the spot, and so, they were often water baptized right then and there andon the spot, etc.

But people today, now being so very, very aware of so many different levels and types of emotional manipulation nowadays, etc, are much less affected by those kinds of things nowadays, and are much, much more affected/humbled by either, an example, or a series of life experiences or events than they most usually ever are by mere words nowadays, which is why it is sometimes a process, and is much, much less of a more instantaneous conversion on the spot nowadays.

But after a most definite for sure change has taken place, one should seek to be water baptized as a public declaration of that, etc, and also when they feel they are ready to be able to give a true, and right, and accurate/honest testimony, etc.

God Bless.

Acts 1: 5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

John was part of the Old Testament and the many diverse washings (baptismos in Greek) that we’re to be done away and we’re imposed upon the Jews until the time of reformation.

But the Jewish believers needed time to come out of the old. They still were following the whole law zealously, going into the temple with the sacrifices abd priests and circumcision, Andy kept all the customs (Halakah law oral traditions as well). As we see in scripture. Read Acts 15 and 21. ,

This was all told long ago in scripture but many seem to have missed these truths for centuries . Even though they are right there in the text .

Acts 21: 17. And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21. And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24. Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

So when we see a Jewish believer in Acts water baptizing or sacrificing animals or circumcision as Paul did to Timothy (Acts 26), we can understand that that was a transition for the Jews who were in a time of reformation. Not for all people (themselves or Gentiles). God is patient and gave a time for this.

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

The word “washings” is

baptismos- from 907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):--baptism, washing

 

[Dan Perez]

Acts 1: 5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”

John was part of the Old Testament and the many diverse washings (baptismos in Greek) that we’re to be done away and we’re imposed upon the Jews until the time of reformation.

But the Jewish believers needed time to come out of the old. They still were following the whole law zealously, going into the temple with the sacrifices abd priests and circumcision, Andy kept all the customs (Halakah law oral traditions as well). As we see in scripture. Read Acts 15 and 21. ,

This was all told long ago in scripture but many seem to have missed these truths for centuries . Even though they are right there in the text .

Acts 21: 17. And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21. And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24. Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

So when we see a Jewish believer in Acts water baptizing or sacrificing animals or circumcision as Paul did to Timothy (Acts 26), we can understand that that was a transition for the Jews who were in a time of reformation. Not for all people (themselves or Gentiles). God is patient and gave a time for this.

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.”

The word “washings” is

baptismos- from 907; ablution (ceremonial or Christian):--baptism, washing

And Israel had the Doctrine of Baptisms , called BAPTISMOS , and there many words and definitions as what BAPTIZO means .

Read Mark 7:4 and 8 , Jews washed their cups , pots , cooper and the beds and couches and washed there hands before eating , Luke 11:38.

And there many types of WASHING called Baptism .

I say that BAPTISMS were for Israel and NOT for the BODY of CHRIST !!

dan p