What is Science? Is it in the Bible?

[Larniavc]

As He, God has perfectly described His creation in The Bible.

How come so many Christians can't agree on it, then?

 

[Diamond72]

I'm not the one making proclamations about a group of people you don't understand (scientists).

Oh, poor science, used, abused, and misunderstood. It never fails to amuse me where you go with some of your stereotypes.

 

[Diamond72]

Here, you would be wrong. Your opinion not withstanding.

You just got through saying 30% embrace the Christian faith, in addition to all the other religions that men of Science put their trust in. Be it Hebrew, Muslim or Buddhist.

 

[Diamond72]

people are turned away from Christ.

People are in or out with God. There is no fence sitting allowed. Although science is agnostic & remains open-minded. Men of science due to the educational system can be closed-minded and biased in their beliefs. I am glad I was able to get out of the public education system and into the real world. Because clearly public education is designed to create pawns that the government can enslave and use for their own purpose and objectives.

Soon this age and era are coming to an end and we will begin the Kingdom age or the 1000-year reign of Christ.

 

[d taylor]

How come so many Christians can't agree on it, then?

Christians or people who identify as a christian rarely agree on anything.

Take the simple way God has given for a person to receive His free gift of Eternal Life (salvation) and become a born again child of God, by faith in Jesus The Messiah.
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Not many who identify as christian agree on the above way a person receives Eternal Life salvation.

But as for the creation account given in The Bible. I would say science has contributed to much of people doubting the creation account in The Bible. Along with just people simply not believing God at His word.
which has been happening for a very long time Adam and Eve, etc...

 

[AV1611VET]

How come so many Christians can't agree on it, then?

Because Christianity has an extremely powerful enemy, who is a master at divide-and-conquer tactics.

And since he has been around from even before Adam & Eve, he knows how mankind acts and reacts under every circumstance imaginable.

 

[Diamond72]

I would say science has contributed to much of people doubting the creation account in The Bible.

Science does not conflict with the Bible. It conflicts with man's traditions. Jesus often challenged the traditions of the religious leaders of his time. Science actually show us how accurate and true the Bible is if we are willing to go where the facts take us. No one has ever shown me that the Bible is not 100% accurate and true. As long as this web site has been here and as long as people have been trying, they have 100% failed to even show any error in the Bible. Although there must be a copy error somewhere. But they have been able to provide nothing in the way of evidence to show the Bible is not accurate and true.

 

[d taylor]

Science does not conflict with the Bible. It conflicts with man's traditions. Jesus often challenged the traditions of the religious leaders of his time. Science actually show us how accurate and true the Bible is if we are willing to go where the facts take us. No one has ever shown me that the Bible is not 100% accurate and true. As long as this web site has been here and as long as people have been trying, they have 100% failed to even show any error in the Bible. Although there must be a copy error somewhere. But they have been able to provide nothing in the way of evidence to show the Bible is not accurate and true.

Science conflicts with 100% of the Bible. There is not one thing that science states about God's creation, which is true.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Oh, poor science, used, abused, and misunderstood. It never fails to amuse me where you go with some of your stereotypes.

*My* stereotypes. Really. It was you (not I) that claimed (without evidence) that "true men of science" could not "reject" the bible. This is *you* judging a group you are not part of (scientists) and determining their "true"ness. Accepting or rejecting or ignoring one specific holy book does not make or break a "true man of science"*. The whole premise of this thread is an insult to scientists, Christian or otherwise, because it evaluates their scientific worth on a religious position. I have never seen any scientist do that. This would be no different than judging "true Christians" on their Christian piety based on their wealth. All of us would look askance at that.

*Up to this point I have ignored the misogyny of this phrasing. That may not hold much longer.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I have a copy of my son's high school biology book. We are told that: "Science is a way of knowing".

Science is a particular way of knowing. One that emphasizes empirical evidence. Empiricism has had proponents for a long time, but science as a real project only developed a few centuries ago.

So is Science in the Bible[?]

No. The Bible was written before science developed.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible talks about wisdom, knowledge and understanding. Mostly David and his son Solomon. They lived 3,000 years ago, so maybe they were just ahead of their time. Paul studied David and learned a lot from him. That is why it is difficult to believe David did not add to what Moses wrote. But they claim there is nothing new. In modern times we have Jung and Disney who both work with archetypes, allegories, paradigms, symbols and so on. This seems to be a very big stumbling block for people who have studied Science extensively. They often do not even have the understanding of a first grader when it comes to working with images like this.

Could be this is why some people hate school. Because the system wants to take something from them that they are not willing to give up. People tell science to take a hike and turn to religion like a duck to water because that is the way their mind works and they like it that way.

Neither mythology nor philosophy is unwise. Its just a different language and method. Having an imagery that a god of thunder does this or that or a scientific understanding of electricity in the atmosphere does not change much in a daily life of an average Babylonian who must sail the sea in a primitive boat. He may still do it in an experienced/wise way or not.

It changes the cultural mindset and language, though. The Bible was not written in a scientific language, the OT was written in Babylonian-Hebrew mythological language and the NT in Greco-Roman-Hebrew philosophical language.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Neither mythology nor philosophy is unwise. Its just a different language and method. Having an imagery that a god of thunder does this or that or a scientific understanding of electricity in the atmosphere does not change much in a daily life of an average Babylonian who must sail the sea in a primitive boat. He may still do it in an experienced/wise way or not.

Of course, if you know that lightening is electricity, you can build grounding wires and rods to prevent fires from lightning strikes on buildings. This is what Ben. Franklin did and it earned him great fame becoming the most famous and celebrated American in Europe before the revolution (and during the revolution while he was in France. [The contemporary "Franklin Merch" is something to see.] )

 

[trophy33]

Of course, if you know that lightening is electricity, you can build grounding wires and rods to prevent fires from lightning strikes on buildings. This is what Ben. Franklin did and it earned him great fame becoming the most famous and celebrated American in Europe before the revolution (and during the revolution while he was in France. [The contemporary "Franklin Merch" is something to see.] )

Sure, science is useful. But it takes centuries and a step by step progress of civilization through various philosophical systems to even begin with experiments (or to believe that the world is real and ordered for experiments to have a meaning, in the first place).

Its all built upon each other. Philosophical roots of Europe, together with Christianity that taught that the physical world is real and based upon laws, lead to modern rationalism and science. The belief that there is only one God helped with fear of various natural gods, with pagan superstition or astrology etc.

 

[dlamberth]

Oh, poor science, used, abused, and misunderstood. It never fails to amuse me where you go with some of your stereotypes.

Replacing the word "science" with the word "Bible" tied to the rest of the comment reminds me exactly what you have been saying all along.

 

[Diamond72]

Replacing the word "science" with the word "Bible" tied to the rest of the comment reminds me exactly what you have been saying all along.

Do you mean me? Yes, it gets very wild. The idea that God wrote every name in HIs book from the foundation of the world would suggest one of two things. He knew the future and every person that would be born. Or maybe in some way we had a pre-existence before He sent us here. Different people believe different things.

Evolution is very wild also. The idea that ALL life on earth has a common ancestor. Our great ancestor was pond scum and somehow we evolved into what we are today. If I had to take my pick I would say Science is wilder in their beliefs than the Bible.

 

[Shemjaza]

Do you mean me? Yes, it gets very wild. The idea that God wrote every name in HIs book from the foundation of the world would suggest one of two things. He knew the future and every person that would be born. Or maybe in some way we had a pre-existence before He sent us here. Different people believe different things.

Evolution is very wild also. The idea that ALL life on earth has a common ancestor. Our great ancestor was pond scum and somehow we evolved into what we are today. If I had to take my pick I would say Science is wilder in their beliefs than the Bible.

The issue is that your emotional reaction to something doesn't tell us how true it is.

 

[Diamond72]

How come so many Christians can't agree on it, then?

So we can know who is and who is not approved by God.
Not everyone that claims to be a Christian represents God.

 

[Larniavc]

Not everyone that claims to be a Christian represents God.

How do the various groups of Christians decide which of said groups does represent God?

 

[Diamond72]

How do the various groups of Christians decide which of said groups does represent God?

We are always right & they are always wrong.

 

[ruthiesea]

Looks like 'true men of science' reject the Bible in droves.

Although Christians make up approximately 75% of the American public, only about 30% of academic scientists identify as Christian [1,2], making Christians one of the most underrepresented groups in science [3] [academic scientists generally have graduate degrees, academic appointments, and conduct scientific research]​

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Are scientists biased against Christians? Exploring real and perceived bias against Christians in academic biology - PMC

Christians are one of the most underrepresented groups in science, and one potential explanation is that scientists have a bias against Christian students, which could discourage and actively prevent Christian students from becoming scientists. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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How about scientists who are not Christians but believe in G-d?