What is good?

[Gary K]

Eph 2:15 specifically identifies the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility as clearly being "destroyed" by the abolishment of "the law with its commandments and regulations."

The text is plain and specific.
Your assertion reveals a lot about your hermeneutics.

No it doesn't. It only destroys them because you don't accept scripture that would cause you change your theology.

Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

 

[Clare73]

Eph 2:15 specifically identifies the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility as being "destroyed" by the abolishment of "the law with its commandments and regulations."

The text is plain, specific and clear. The mistake is not in my understanding.
Your assertion reveals a lot about your hermeneutics.

No it doesn't. It only destroys them because you don't accept scripture that would cause you change your theology.

Eph 2:15 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

You have a problem with text.

 

[Gary K]

No it doesn't. It only destroys them because you don't accept scripture that would cause you change your theology.

Here is a quote from the Babylonian Talmud about the Samaritans that demonstrates the extreme racism of the Jews.especially those of Christ's day.

Concerning uncleanness, there were four regulations enacted: First: All movable things bring
uncleanness on a man by means of a tent, not larger even than a span, covering a corpse, even if the space between the corpse and the tent was but an awl's width. (For explanation, see Tract Ahaloth.) Second: The daughters of the Samaritans are considered unclean (as women suffering from their menstruation) from the day of their birth. Third: A child of a heathen is considered unclean, because it is considered as one afflicted with venereal disease. Fourth: One who presses grapes or olives renders the vessels used to receive the must or the oil susceptible to uncleanness. (This is explained in detail in Tract Kelim.)

 

[Gary K]

Eph 2:15 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

You have a problem with text.

Sorry, but I don't. You have a problem with the surrounding context. You wouldn't have that understanding if you took scripture as it reads.

 

[Clare73]

Sorry, but I don't. You have a problem with the surrounding context. You wouldn't have that understanding if you took scripture as it reads.

Feel free to Biblically demonstrate how the context alters the meaning of Eph 2:15.

 

[Gary K]

Feel free to Biblically demonstrate how the context alters the meaning of Eph 2:15.

No. I already told you why.

 

[Clare73]

No. I already told you why.

Telling and demonstrating are two different things.

You haven't Biblically demonstrated it, as I have demonstrated the language of Eph 2:15.

 

[Gary K]

Telling and demonstrating are two different things.

You haven't Biblically demonstrated it, as I have demonstrated the language of Eph 2:15.

I have already told you. It would just be more of the same merry-go-round.

 

[Clare73]

No it doesn't. It only destroys them because you don't accept scripture that would cause you change your theology.

And here we have the only defense of the amateurish hermeneutic which you employ.

Sorry, but I don't. You have a problem with the surrounding context.
You wouldn't have that understanding if you took scripture as it reads.

Again, the only defense of your amateurish hermeneutic against an irrefutable Biblical demonstration
of the meaning of Eph 2:15 (post #82).

Q E D

 

[Gary K]

And here we have the only defense of the amateurish hermeneutic which you employ.


Again, the only defense of your amateurish hermeneutic against an irrefutable Biblical demonstration
of the meaning of Eph 2:15 (post #82).

Q E D

You don't like what I have to say. Oh well.

 

[Clare73]

You don't like what I have to say. Oh well.

Indeed! It has been demonstrated to be contra-Biblical.

 

[Gary K]

Indeed! It has been demonstrated to be contra-Biblical.

And I say the same about your beliefs. So?

 

[Clare73]

And I say the same about your beliefs. So?

In which post may I find your Biblical demonstration of your assertion?

I refer you to post #82 for my most recent Biblical demonstration.

 

[Gary K]

In which post may I find your Biblical demonstration of your assertion?

I refer you to post #82 for my most recent Biblical demonstration.

You denied context has anything to do with the meaning of scripture.

What is good?

You misunderstand who I am. I'm not here to debate. I present truth and leave it up to those who disagree with me to accept or reject it. That's what Jesus did and as He is my Master I do the same. I used to be someone who would debate until the cows came home because I thought it was my job...

www.christianforums.com

 

[Clare73]

You denied context has anything to do with the meaning of scripture.

I denied from the OT what you called context for the NT.

Gary K said:
So the surrounding tests which clearly demonstrate that Jesus broke down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile is meaningless:
Exo_12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
Exo_22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Exo_23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Lev_19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers
Lev_23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

which wall was entirely man made according to the OT.

Again, you are ignoring the text itself of Eph 2:15, which states precisely what the wall of partition was, in favor of your personal view that it was man-made.
No other context is needed and is, in fact, erroneous when the text is plainly clear as it stands on its own.

Eph 2:15 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Your OT Scriptures above do not demonstrate error in the plain text of Eph 2:15.

It is an amateurish hermeneutic, ignorant of the basic rules of interpretation, which yields that erroneous conclusion.

 

[Gary K]

I denied from the OT what you called context for the NT.

Again, you are ignoring the text itself of Eph 2:15, which states precisely what the wall of partition was, in favor of your personal view that it was man-made.
No other context is needed and is, in fact, erroneous when the text is plainly clear as it stands on its own.

Eph 2:15 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Your OT Scriptures above do not demonstrate error in the plain text of Eph 2:15.

It is an amateurish hermeneutic, ignorant of the basic rules of interpretation, which yields that erroneous conclusion.

Well, here we go again. The OT texts I quoted were to show that God never designed that there should be racism by the Jews and that they should separate themselves from the Gentiles. That's so obvious it' impossible to miss. Therefore any distinctions made were caused by sin, not God.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

It can't be made any plainer than these scriptures make it. God is, and always has been, the God of all people. Any distinction based on race is directly from the devil as racism is always evil.

 

[Mark Quayle]

You denied context has anything to do with the meaning of scripture.

What is good?

You misunderstand who I am. I'm not here to debate. I present truth and leave it up to those who disagree with me to accept or reject it. That's what Jesus did and as He is my Master I do the same. I used to be someone who would debate until the cows came home because I thought it was my job...

www.christianforums.com

SAY WHAT??? If there is anyone here who teaches the need to consider context, it is SHE!!! I know of nobody here that demonstrates and practices the use of context more than she.

By the way, that post is YOU talking. You don't show there how @Clare73 "denied context has anything to do with the meaning of scripture."

 

[Clare73]

Well, here we go again. The OT texts I quoted were to show that God never designed that there should be racism by the Jews and that they should separate themselves from the Gentiles. That's so obvious it' impossible to miss. Therefore any distinctions made were caused by sin, not God.
It can't be made any plainer than these scriptures make it. God is, and always has been, the God of all people. Any distinction based on race is directly from the devil as racism is always evil.

Those Scriptures refer to Gentiles who joined Israel to become proselytes and part of the people of God, they do not refer to Gentiles who did not observe the law and which created a wall of partition between them (Eph 2:15).

 

[Gary K]

Those Scriptures refer to Gentiles who joined Israel to become proselytes and part of the people of God, they do not refer to Gentiles who did not observe the law and which created a wall of partition between them (Eph 2:15).

You need to put some actual thought into your replies.

Those Gentiles in the OT didn't worship God either until they decided to which is just like we Gentiles of modern times. Nobody worships God until they begin to follow the promptings of the HS, Jew or Gentile. You just continue putting up barriers to understanding scripture.

 

[Gary K]

You need to put some actual thought into your replies.

Those Gentiles in the OT didn't worship God either until they decided to which is just like we Gentiles of modern times. Nobody worships God until they begin to follow the promptings of the HS, Jew or Gentile. You just continue putting up barriers to understanding scripture.

Sorry, Clare75, the comment of mine I emphasized was uncalled for. I'm still learning how to really be a Christian.