He created all the angels spirits. These spirits were created.
We are shown that Jesus was "begotten" not created... Likewise for the "spirit" of the Holy Spirit. "Begotten, not created."
This gets me into where I either lose you... Or, maybe anger you.
Because one must first be ready and able to think in concepts based upon what we have been given from faith. Faith comes by learning/hearing the Word of God.
To be "created" means what was created had to have a beginning. The Son and Holy Spirit are eternal. They have no beginning. That means? The soul of Jesus is eternal. His soul is the soul that had to exist before creation took place. For, we are told that there was nothing created, that has been created, except through Him. He had to precede anything created!
Now... time is what? Its a creation. Eternity is devoid of time.
The Father having His plan for man and angels "begot" both the soul of Jesus and the "spirit" of the Holy Spirit before time began in eternity.
This is a tough one....
Before all things could be created? The Soul of Jehovah was to be "being.". "I Am." For it was for Him (his soul) that all things were created. As we can witness to all things in creation were created so our souls can relate to them. He was before all things. Creating all things that a human soul could relate to.
I will now use vague language intentionally for what I am about to say. Because it delves into a realm that is beyond our normal frame of reference as humans.
Before Time was created? There were no beginnings nor end. Only being. Always have been. Always will be.
As for the Soul of Jehovah? The Soul was uniquely begotten outside of time by the Father, having no beginning and no end. Likewise for the Angel-spirit, was begotten by the Father outside of time, having no beginning nor end. There can be no beginning when time was not yet created. In other words? The Soul and Spirit of Jehovah always was. "I Am."
Why the Trinity? God was about to embark on creating lives who were to be recipients of His eternal love. First angels. Then came man.
The Father needed the perfect means for the finite created beings to have a bridge between Himself who is infinite, and their finite minds. That is why we have the Trinity. Its the bridge for communication and understanding between angels, man, and God, about God.
God the Father could no more be known to you than you can watch and hear satellite TV with your mind alone. He would remain unknowable.
Even language (logos) was provided as a means for God to make His will known. The Soul of Jehovah was the Word. And... the Word later became "flesh."
I do not like to venture where I just did too often. It frightens me somewhat.
grace and peace .........
"I do not like to venture where I just did too often. It frightens me somewhat."
I know what you mean. Too many have ventured into the mystical realm and come up with what they think is marvelous and wondrous, and feel really 'connected' to the infinite things of the spirit. It makes them feel good at the least and all-knowing at the worst. (Eph 6:12)
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And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery..." (Rev 17)
And so I will tell you the mystery of iniquity: Ministry of God is the most mocking wine and raging strong drink there is in heaven and in earth. The love of money is the root of all evil, but the lust of power of God has made angels to fall and man to sin against his own soul.
The mystery of the man of sin is threefold:
1. No man wakes up one morning and decides to be a cult leader. The source of all cultism is sincerity of heart with honest intent but with error of Scripture, error that they don't even know in the beginning of their rise. A little leaven...
2. Knowing the thoughts and intents of the heart can be a mystery even to them that deceive, because they are so sincere, that they even deceive themselves. They begin too think too highly...
3. The beast rises up in sincerity and honesty of faith, but then shows himself in the end to be sincere and honest
only about his own power over others. The elect depart, leaving only the deceived followers
He that was an honest minister of the Lord, and is not an honest minister of the Lord, and yet is obeyed as an honest minister of the Lord. (Rev 17: 8)
The power to speak from one's own mind and have others believe it
as the Word of God is the intoxication of cultism and was the error of Lucifer:
"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High." (Isaiah 14)
Lucifer wanted to be the 4th in the Godhead. He truly thought it was all a matter of making himself
so pleasing and honorable to God, that God would
of necessity make him one of Us, or as you might be saying
beget him as one with Them.
You have gone farther into such things, than I have ever seen, without me dismissing out of hand:
Therefore, I want you to consider this from the 'created-christ' mongers:
They say that the word was created from the beginning, not in the beginning of creation of all things, but in the beginning of all His ways (Prov 8)
before creation, as being the 1st creation of creation (Col 1:15). He was the created wisdom of God, the created
personification of God's wisdom, and was the 1st angel and Angel of the Lord, and then was made man on earth and called Jesus. (Paganism and mystical humanism)
And so: what is the difference between the created personification of wisdom of God, and the soul of the Word begat by God? Or the firstborn of every creature?
Or am I reading you wrong?
(Also, if you want to go private with this, I'd be more than glad to. I would like to run many things by you. "vague language' means to me non Scriptural words to describe ideas that Scripture does not say plainly)
Would you like a "doggy bag," sir?
... will not have part in the 1st resurrection? Was that a mistake?
