Carl Emerson
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I always felt belief is a choice, you do have free will after all.
Some refuse the gift...
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I always felt belief is a choice, you do have free will after all.
My point exactly that's their choice of unbelief, if you didn't have freedom of choice and we were all automated robots programed to believe then all of mankind would be saved but we all know that's not the case. Some people will die in their sins because of unbelief and that's their choice.Some refuse the gift...
My point exactly that's their choice of unbelief, if you didn't have freedom of choice and we were all automated robots programed to believe then all of mankind would be saved but we all know that's not the case. Some people will die in their sins because of unbelief and that's their choice.
My reply would be that he foreknew their unbelief, that they would not turn from their wicked ways and yield their heart to him, If God knew I would accept him he must have known the people that would reject him.Well almost - I conclude that according to scripture the choice is His and He gifts Grace and Faith to some but not all. The outcome then is a family eternally with Him who are eternally grateful for the unmerited salvation they have received as a gift. This leaves no room for pride. Many feel that it is unjust for Him to choose. Yet we are known by Him even before creation happened.
His choosing does not result in the chosen being robots. All mankind lives within predetermined bounds, limited freewill is given to all...
By the way how's the weather in New Zealand.Some refuse the gift...
My reply would be that he foreknew their unbelief, that they would not turn from their wicked ways and yield their heart to him, If God knew I would accept him he must have known the people that would reject him.
Texas weather has been a little out of the norm this last winter also, don't usually get snow where I'm at, snow is more common in the far northern panhandle which is the high plains or the mountains of west Texas.Weird winter - spring is here - max about 18 currently, showers about.
Wasn't talking about grace, was talking about belief and you do have a choice to accept Christ or reject him, and people before the revelation of Christ had a choice to do what they thought was right or wrong, we're not some automated robots.
you do have a choice to accept Christ or reject him, and people before the revelation of Christ had a choice to do what they thought was right or wrong, we're not some automated robots.
Wasn't talking about grace,
people before the revelation of Christ had a choice to do what they thought was right or wrong, we're not some automated robots.
I understand completely, you are saved by grace which is gifted to us by the mercy of God not because anything you've done and through faith [believing in the word and trusting God] you receive the gift of grace which is the set-apart Spirit.But without understanding grace, you will keep repeating what you say and not understand why it is so. What you say would be correct if you included grace in its function, and understood its function.
But, I see you can not understand what I have been saying.
You only understand completely "what to say."I understand completely, you are saved by grace which is gifted to us by the mercy of God not because anything you've done and through faith [believing in the word and trusting God] you receive the gift of grace which is the set-apart Spirit.
No one is saved by grace to be disobedient to the faith *Romans 1:5; Titus 2:11-13. If we are living in a life of known unrepentant sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following Gods' Word *Romans 14:23 we are not saved period but stand before God guilty of sin and in danger of the judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-27. Gods' grace therefore is not for disobedience to the faith. That view is not biblical or supported by scripture.You only understand completely "what to say."
I am not sure you understand what it is you are saying.
For example.. Why is grace needed in salvation? What does grace do that allows us to have our will freed to have free will.
Before we were saved we were slaves.
That is true because God was giving them all grace. God prevented them from being automated robots by giving grace. OT believers received grace in salvation when believing in the Lord God.
Why don't you want to include grace into what you believe? No one could have free will without grace. Grace is God's provision to keep us from being robots.
Why can't Satan and his angels believe? God refused to give them any more grace after they kept freely choosing to defy and deny him.
God can overcome our sin nature by means of His grace. But, evil? It can deny and defy truth even when grace is offered with correction. If it can be convinced and corrected while grace is given? Then, that act of becoming convinced is what we call 'repentance.'
After salvation we confess our sins.
[You got that backwards,] (1 John 3:9) Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (Proverbs 28:13) He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. [ Your man fabricated doctrine cannot stand against the truth of God's word, seek God most high and he will make his word known to you.]
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and
purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 Jn 1:9
We repent of doing or thinking evil. Not repent of sin.
We can not repent of our sins. For we will remain capable of sinning until our soul leaves the body we now possess. But, we can change our thinking (repentance) after accepting false doctrine (thinking evil) by repenting and replacing evil with the truth.
All to be accomplished by grace from God!
I understand exactly what I'm saying, God's grace is needed to become a servant of righteousness, but you always have a choice what to believe and if you believe in Christ you become a new creation.You only understand completely "what to say."
I am not sure you understand what it is you are saying.
For example.. Why is grace needed in salvation? What does grace do that allows us to have our will freed to have free will.
Before we were saved we were slaves.
Exactly!I understand exactly what I'm saying, God's grace is needed to become a servant of righteousness, but you always have a choice what to believe and if you believe in Christ you become a new creation.