What is death?

[JohnRabbit]

ressurection is not a term applied for life in heaven, but rather life on earth.

resurrection is when the dead leave heaven with God and come here to earth to be raised.

we exist in heaven before the resurrection.

Genesis 3:4(NKJV)
4Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

 

[patience7]

doesn't Jesus come with a bunch of His saints like say 10,000s of them - Jude 14.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment upon all and to convince all that are ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 14,15

That's after we have lived and reigned with him for a thousand years. So the dead in Christ rise and those in Christ that are alive and remain meet him in the air to live and reign with him for a thousand years - then we return with the Lord to execute judgment.

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters.
1 Corinthians 6:2

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witenss of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worshipped the beast neither his image neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4,5

 

[Mikecpking]

I base my belief on I Peter 3;18-20.

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Scriptures you should look at:

John 6:40

New International Version (NIV)

40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” [/quote]I have always taken this to be believers after having witnessed Jesus. Moses did not know Jesus or of Jesus nor did they believe in Jesus. One might say oh yes they did. To which I ask then how did they not recognize Him when He came? This verse definitely means those who have seen Jesus in the flesh. This would include all those afterward or salvation could only be had for those actual witnesses. I have no problem with this statement. I have been of the opinion that it didn't include the OT saints who I have thought were resurrected with Jesus.I'm not going to argue with you on that. It has nothing to do with Moses or Elias who were present at the transfiguration and talked with Jesus Who was transfigured/transformed. The Scripture doesn't say that Jesus existed outside of whatever took place. That is there weren't 2 images of Jesus to the awake disciples. My argument is that both lived in a continued personality each had during their physical lives on earth. The choices are that Jesus was consulting a medium or mediums or Jesus was actually in reality talking with these being who were supernaturally present. The same sort of thing happened to Abraham. Some beings appeared to be men who Abraham entreated, feed and then disapeared while one of them seemed to linger. Did Abraham feed a vision that consumed real food?I don't think so. And I link my belief inpart to I Pet 3:18-20.[/quote]

1 Peter 3:18-20 is not about OT saints!

You can't make up your own theology based on one verse, while disregarding all the ther scriptures presented to you.

The transfiguration was a vision; clearly laid out to you.

Therefore, your bible is full of contradictions whereas we have none.

 

[from scratch]

Genesis 3:4(NKJV)
4Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

So what happened that eventful day? Something certianly changed. They lost the clothing of God's glory for sure. And God mercifully provided rags of shame - clothing of another.

 

[from scratch]

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment upon all and to convince all that are ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 14,15

That's after we have lived and reigned with him for a thousand years. So the dead in Christ rise and those in Christ that are alive and remain meet him in the air to live and reign with him for a thousand years - then we return with the Lord to execute judgment.

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters.
1 Corinthians 6:2

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witenss of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worshipped the beast neither his image neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4,5

Ah so there are more than one resurrection.

Now since we are here reigning with Christ, how do we come or who is Christ bringing with Him? Oh He is already here to.

 

[zeke37]

NO, you do not exist in heaven as an immortal being then back here to be raised a physical being again...wrong wrong wrong

the dead exist in heaven, until they are brought here by God at the Lord's Coming.
their spiritual/heavenly body will be raised here on earth, not their flesh.
but be assured that this resurrected state is very physical, although not flesh and blood physical.

the resurrection is so we can live on earth again, not so we can exist in heaven. 1Thes4

that is why God brings with Him those that sleep in Jesus.
and that is why we learn that it is when we die that we are "quickened" 1Cor15

that's the incorruptible part, like the angels are.

and if we are alive and remain until His Coming, then we shall not die in the flesh,
but rather be changed to be like the returing dead....like the angels.

as for immortal...i did not mention that.
the righteous dead are by implication, going to become immortal, sure,
but that is stated even before the Judgement.
they do not fear the second death.

the rest of the dead are not immortal....raised (here) at the end of the Millennium, for judgement.

 

[Merlinius]

What is death?

The opposite of Life.

But I suppose that has been said, lol

 

[zeke37]

Genesis 3:4(NKJV)
4Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

and?
what is your point?

i am not speaking of all the dead becoming permanently immortal upon their flesh demise.

but they all exist in heaven,
and will be "raised" here when Christ brings them here(if righteous) for reward at His Coming,

or (if unrighteous) still raised here, but not for reward, but rather for judgement and destruction at Millennium's end.

 

[zeke37]

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment upon all and to convince all that are ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 14,15

That's after we have lived and reigned with him for a thousand years. So the dead in Christ rise and those in Christ that are alive and remain meet him in the air to live and reign with him for a thousand years - then we return with the Lord to execute judgment.

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters.
1 Corinthians 6:2

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witenss of Jesus and for the word of God and which had not worshipped the beast neither his image neither had received his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4,5

Christ is Coming here,
bringing the dead from heaven to here,
raising them here,
gathering the alive righteous to their collective, here.
1Thes4/1Cor15

Christ stays here and sets up His Kingdom.
Zec14, Rev14
the righteous stay right here and reign and rule here for the Millennium.
Ez44, Rev5, Rev20

you are misunderstanding the MIS-translated words of 1Thes4 IMO.

dead rise first
then we are changed to "air" and gathered to their collective
in a great cloud of witnesses.

"up" in the air, is not is the manuscripts at all.
up is not implied at all.
it is an english translational mistake, very easy to research and see for yourself.

caught up = seized
together = together
in the air = the mystery change / quickening
clouds = mass multitude, see Heb12:1

so Paul is simply repeating what he already taught the Corrinthians, using synonyms.
common (coloquial) greek....slang...

so, God brings the dead in Christ with Him at His Coming, and rasies them here.
then we who are alive at that time, shall be changed to be like them.
then He shall gather us faithfull all together and set up His Kingdom that will never fall.

 

[Merlinius]

Christ is Coming here,
bringing the dead from heaven to here,
raising them here,
gathering the alive righteous to their collective, here.
1Thes4/1Cor15

Christ stays here and sets up His Kingdom.
Zec14, Rev14
the righteous stay right here and reign and rule here for the Millennium.
Ez44, Rev5, Rev20

you are misunderstanding the MIS-translated words of 1Thes4 IMO.

dead rise first
then we are changed to "air" and gathered to their collective
in a great cloud of witnesses.

"up" in the air, is not is the manuscripts at all.
up is not implied at all.
it is an english translational mistake, very easy to research and see for yourself.

caught up = seized
together = together
in the air = the mystery change / quickening
clouds = mass multitude, see Heb12:1

so Paul is simply repeating what he already taught the Corrinthians, using synonyms.
common (coloquial) greek....slang...

so, God brings the dead in Christ with Him at His Coming, and rasies them here.
then we who are alive at that time, shall be changed to be like them.
then He shall gather us faithfull all together and set up His Kingdom that will never fall.

Jesus has Come.
He's come to me and I have been caught up and quickened in Christ together in the great cloud of witnesses and am with Him Forever ruling and reigning

This planet isn't my home though...

This is my eternal Home where I live;

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Don't have to stand around gazing up into Heaven to be in Heavenly places now in Christ in the fulfillment of all things.

Praise Jesus

 

[patience7]

Ah so there are more than one resurrection.

Now since we are here reigning with Christ, how do we come or who is Christ bringing with Him? Oh He is already here to.

Ya know, I can't tell if you are just being a smart alec or if you are serious.

I am just using scripture and God specified "a first resurrection" - I didn't say it, God did.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Paul is arguing about the resurrection here and not the state of the dead. In fact if there isn't a ressurection, there isn't much sense of continuing a discussion. One can't be resurrected if they don't exist. Seems fairly simple to me. This would apply for both the righteous and the wicked.

You sure like to put your own ideas into the subject matter...What does it say again...PERISHED!...Thankfully God does have a way to resurrect us after we are dead!

 

[YosemiteSam]

Jesus has Come.
He's come to me and I have been caught up and quickened in Christ together in the great cloud of witnesses and am with Him Forever ruling and reigning

This planet isn't my home though...

This is my eternal Home where I live;

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Don't have to stand around gazing up into Heaven to be in Heavenly places now in Christ in the fulfillment of all things.

Praise Jesus

ROTFLMBO; Do you see UFO's too?

 

[YosemiteSam]

So what happened that eventful day? Something certianly changed. They lost the clothing of God's glory for sure. And God mercifully provided rags of shame - clothing of another.

"lost the clothing of Gods' glory....really? So he provided rags of shame....really? Where do you come up with this stuff...your killing me! LMBO

 

[from scratch]

Ya know, I can't tell if you are just being a smart alec or if you are serious.

I am just using scripture and God specified "a first resurrection" - I didn't say it, God did.

I do use various forms and styles of communication. Most don't understand and I guess that is going to required of me as being OK. I understand.

 

[from scratch]

You sure like to put your own ideas into the subject matter...What does it say again...PERISHED!...Thankfully God does have a way to resurrect us after we are dead!

Perish in no way refers to annihilation of poof one is non existant and not to ever be located again. You have my sinderest sympahties.

 

[from scratch]

"lost the clothing of Gods' glory....really? So he provided rags of shame....really? Where do you come up with this stuff...your killing me! LMBO

Read it for yourself. You have problems with my discussion. Is it because I

• don't have you opinion
• or because I used non biblical words in discussing the facts?
• surely it couldn't that you don't understand

 

[from scratch]

What is death?

The opposite of Life.

But I suppose that has been said, lol

Pretty incomplete statement about death. If indeed that is all there is to death then all religion or trying to have a relationship with God is only for the idiot and utter foolishness because it is over after all.

 

[Timothew]

Pretty incomplete statement about death. If indeed that is all there is to death then all religion or trying to have a relationship with God is only for the idiot and utter foolishness because it is over after all.

Unless - There is a resurrection from death and eternal life for those who have a relationship with God.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Jesus has Come.
He's come to me and I have been caught up and quickened in Christ together in the great cloud of witnesses and am with Him Forever ruling and reigning

This planet isn't my home though...

This is my eternal Home where I live;

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Don't have to stand around gazing up into Heaven to be in Heavenly places now in Christ in the fulfillment of all things.

Praise Jesus

this is the funniest thing i ever saw, today was just another work day till i logged on again to read this?rotflmbo i think i am going to the hospital and get stiches. Those here in the coffee shop are wondering why i am laughing so hard. Thank you for whoever posted!