What is a seer ?

[topher694]

People have been abusing Christianity for their own gains from the beginning. Paul dealt with it plenty. Jesus dealt with a form of it. It's been there from the beginning and it will be here until Jesus returns. Paul spent far, far, far more time building up and teaching the Body than pointing out the errors of others. Even then he usually only did it when it was directly coming against his ministry. For an individual to think he or she is capable of single handedly doing what Paul couldn't, and even Jesus couldn't... bringing down those that abuse the truth... is folly and the pathway to prideful error. In fact some of the most egregious biblical error has been born from an unhealthy focus on the error others. It's much more effective, constructive and biblical to focus on the authentic and deal with the false when it directly crosses your path.

My understanding is this forum is designed for those who want to genuinely seek the authentic and grow and learn. Relentless focusing on the false hinders that. Which is unfortunate.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I joined this forum in September of 2017 and shared my testimonies with the forum about the call to be a prophetic seer. Back then this section didn't exist....I ran straight into the path of a very tumultuous storm of unbelievers yet nevertheless I strived to stand strong until a tragedy happened in my daughter's church....(long story)...it tested my faith beyond what I knew I had.
I left CF and joined another forum where I am now a moderator...
I pray your journey to seek His Hidden Wisdom will yield a bountiful return and that you find what you are seeking.
God Bless

 

[Heart2Soul]

Oh and just to let you in on a hidden nugget....
The NT prophet is for the saints of His Church....as Paul explained it in Corinthians
1 Corinthians 12 (KJV)
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²⁷ Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
²⁸ And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
²⁹ Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
³⁰ Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
³¹ But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
And in Ephesians
Ephesians 4 (KJV)
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⁷ But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
⁸ Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
⁹ (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
¹⁰ He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
¹¹ And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
¹² For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
¹³ Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
¹⁴ That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
¹⁵ But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

 

[Heart2Soul]

As to answer the OP....a seer is a prophet who sees the event that God is showing them.....and if God says speak to this person and tell them what you have been shown then I do....otherwise I don't...I just intercede for them in prayer.

 

[topher694]

I joined this forum in September of 2017 and shared my testimonies with the forum about the call to be a prophetic seer. Back then this section didn't exist....I ran straight into the path of a very tumultuous storm of unbelievers yet nevertheless I strived to stand strong until a tragedy happened in my daughter's church....(long story)...it tested my faith beyond what I knew I had.
I left CF and joined another forum where I am now a moderator...
I pray your journey to seek His Hidden Wisdom will yield a bountiful return and that you find what you are seeking.
God Bless

It's sad that someone seeking the Lord and trying to discover His calling for their life would be immediately put down, attacked and discouraged by others - especially other believers - simply because that person used a different vocabulary.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

If God gives me the words to speak against a doctrine, I speak against it within my sphere of influence. Meaning I will address the issues with those I personally know, like whenever I am asked to preach or teach on a Sunday. Here, if the topic arises and I feel like putting my two cents in, I do so. I won't usually argue or debate over it outside of showing my point through simple parts of scripture.

Ultimately, people want to worship God however they want to worship? Cool. As long as they are actually worshipping God and not just addicted to the feeling. That, however, is between them and God and I would be hard-pressed to assume the intention and wish of people that may choose to worship God in a way that is not "traditional". Somebody wants to "serve" God by giving to someone asking for a jet, again, that's between them and God. I cannot assume or judge the heart of one who does so.

 

[topher694]

If God gives me the words to speak against a doctrine, I speak against it within my sphere of influence. Meaning I will address the issues with those I personally know, like whenever I am asked to preach or teach on a Sunday. Here, if the topic arises and I feel like putting my two cents in, I do so. I won't usually argue or debate over it outside of showing my point through simple parts of scripture.

Ultimately, people want to worship God however they want to worship? Cool. As long as they are actually worshipping God and not just addicted to the feeling. That, however, is between them and God and I would be hard-pressed to assume the intention and wish of people that may choose to worship God in a way that is not "traditional". Somebody wants to "serve" God by giving to someone asking for a jet, again, that's between them and God. I cannot assume or judge the heart of one who does so.

Very wise

 

[now faith]

I am certainly not a cessationist. I believe that cessationism is a false teaching that is not mentioned in the New Testament. If someone can show me any Scripture that says that God has definitely described the gifts of the Spirt, including the sign gifts, as being just temporary, for just the establishment of the Church and then must cease, I will become a cessationist. And the verse in 1 Corinthians 13 about when the perfect has come, has nothing to do with the spiritual gifts. It shows that faith, hope and love, endure through to eternity where the gifts of the Spirit are no longer needed. Even Calvin says that we need the continuation of the gifts of the Spirit because of our weaknesses, but when we die, we leave our weaknesses behind, and the gifts along with them. So as long as there are souls to be saved, and imperfect Christians populate the church, we need the continuation of the gifts.
But the ultra-Charismatic churches such as Bethel and Hillsong have muddied the waters and have introduced exaggerated manifestations of tongues, prophecy, kundalini, etc., that have made it appear that these things are integral to Charismatic continuance of the gifts, which they are not.

What characterised the true Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, was that the main emphasis was preaching the Gospel of Christ and pointing people to the Cross and the finished work of Christ on it. The exercise of the gifts were designed to bring sinners to the Cross and to strengthen the faith of those in the churches.

They were never designed to glorify the preachers and to point people to the likes of Copeland, Osteen, and company to make it appear that these men are somehow special and are closer to God than us mere mortals. We hear ridiculous accounts by these men that they have a special relationship with God that makes it appear that God does only what they want Him to do, and one false teacher said that God asked him for his opinion on what to about an issue. These things are not the genuine Charismatic. They are the invention of these men who are unashamed about amassing great personal wealth from the slim wallets of the faithful.

The sad part about this is they draw the tens of thousands to their conferences because they give the people what they want. The Scripture tells us of the O.T. false prophets prophesying that they can continue in their idolatry and sin, and the people want it that way. The true prophets were persecuted because the people did not want to hear the truth. In the same way, the tens of thousands who attend Copeland's, Osteen's, and Meyer's conferences don't want to hear the true Gospel. They want the blessings and the goodies these false teachers offer them.

When it comes to Preachers you can, fall in one ditch or the other.
With Justin Peters ,and John MacArthur, they have obsessed with Charismatic Preachers, and there are Charismatics that have fallen off the other side as well.
The onslaught of bitterness between Calvinest and Charismatics should stop.
It will only confuse, and separate the Body of Christ.
I Believe we could be in the last days.
No man knows, but I would not want to answer to God as to why I did not Wittness to sinners, by saying I was warning people about ....
My Goodness I have heard outlandish things from both camps!
Back on topic.
I know Prophets operate today by commandments from God,
unfortunately their are self proclaimed prophets that miss the mark.
The duty of a Prophet is to minister Gods instruction to a Pastor or a entire corporate body of believers at one time.
As well its business between. God and who He sends His Word by.
I cannot get a good understanding of a Seer.
I can say it would be the Gift of Knowledge.
In many ways the two references are synonymous.

 

[tturt]

Maybe this will help someone.
"But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who
by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Heb 5:14

God can use our physical senses for spiritual purposes such as:
-Isaiah 6:1-10, sight (vision) and heard
-Peter saw, heard, and felt an angel. Acts 12:7
-In I Kings 19:7, Elijah saw and ate the food (food usually has a smell).
-Ezekiel wrote, "So I ate it, and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth" (Ezek. 3:1-3).
-John received a scroll from an angel. He wrote, "It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour" (Rev. 10:8-10).

(Realize that this doesn't just apply to seers).

Also, shown in other Scriptures such as Isaiah 6:1-2; Acts 12:7; I Kings 19:7; Ezek 3:1-3; Rev 10:8-10.

 

[ARBITER01]

(Realize that this doesn't just apply to seers).

This just keeps going on because people want to somehow keep believing in it like UFO's

There is no such thing as the office of a seer. We don't have them in the body of Christ, we have never had them in the body of Christ, and anyone making claims that we do are clueless to what the scriptures actually say, or they are basically lying to you to sell a book or something.

We can have a prophet/prophetess in the body of Christ, but the terminology of "seer" was done away with way before even Jesus came on the scene.

People need to learn what scripture actually says so they are not being fooled into thinking otherwise by their favorite internet/TV personality.

Newsflash,.... There are people who are wrong that lie to you.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

The difference between a prophet and seer explained:

Christian person who calls themselves a prophet: I'm a prophet
Person: Oh, cool
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Christian person who calls themselves a seer: I'm a seer
Person: Oh, what's that?
Seer: It's the same thing as a prophet, just a different name.
Person: Oh, cool.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The person who calls themselves a seer (which I've never, ever heard of or read about someone in Christianity call themselves a seer.) just has to explain what they mean.

 

[ARBITER01]

The difference between a prophet and seer explained:

Christian person who calls themselves a prophet: I'm a prophet
Person: Oh, cool
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Christian person who calls themselves a seer: I'm a seer
Person: Oh, what's that?
Seer: It's the same thing as a prophet, just a different name.
Person: Oh, cool.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The person who calls themselves a seer (which I've never, ever heard of or read about someone in Christianity call themselves a seer.) just has to explain what they mean.

As Christians, we don't use terminology to confuse other Christians.

I've yet to see someone do that either, but you have people in this thread that seem to have a problem with casting down their imaginations.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I've yet to see someone do that either, but you have people in this thread that seem to have a problem with casting down their imaginations.

The OP's answer to their question has been given so many times.

A seer was a popular term for prophet that was used up to and through the days of Samuel in the old testament, it appears to be used interchangeably.

It can be debated about the appropriateness of its use in today's age due primarily to mystics hijacking the term and frequently using it, but that's a non-issue, as we've pointed out if a prophet uses the term seer it is so rare as to be practically unheard of.

Why we've had seven pages of content on this boggles me lol. But hey, folks wanna debate, that's their call.

 

[ARBITER01]

The OP's answer to their question has been given so many times.

A seer was a popular term for prophet that was used up to and through the days of Samuel in the old testament, it appears to be used interchangeably.

It can be debated about the appropriateness of its use in today's age due primarily to mystics hijacking the term and frequently using it, but that's a non-issue, as we've pointed out if a prophet uses the term seer it is so rare as to be practically unheard of.

Why we've had seven pages of content on this boggles me lol. But hey, folks wanna debate, that's their call.

We have to be lovers of the truth,...

2Th 2:9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that are perishing; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There are a lot of folks that quickly stunt their spiritual growth by believing wrongful thoughts and lies.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

We have to be lovers of the truth,...

2Th 2:9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that are perishing; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There are a lot of folks that quickly stunt their spiritual growth by believing wrongful thoughts and lies.

I agree that we need to be lovers of truth, but I highly doubt one's spiritual growth can be hindered by whether they use a historically interchangeable term to refer to either themselves or someone else as a prophet.

 

[ARBITER01]

I agree that we need to be lovers of truth, but I highly doubt one's spiritual growth can be hindered by whether they use a historically interchangeable term to refer to either themselves or someone else as a prophet.

If you can't believe the scriptures and The Holy Spirit, then what or who are you believing instead?

As scripture says, people will be given a strong delusion/deceit to further believe the lie,... so how is GOD involved in their spiritual growth from that point on? He isn't,... they want to believe lies instead of Him.

How is GOD suppose to use someone who can't pay attention to Him? Your growth will be limited, and until you finally, somehow, see the light about your error(s), you will revolve your life around it/them.

As Christians, we need to be very careful about how we understand scripture, as well as make sure we are hearing The Holy Spirit and being taught by Him and not something/someone else. When we look at such scriptures as these, and the actions that GOD will take, I think it is quite paramount that we do,... even when we are talking about terminology.

 

[topher694]

We have to be lovers of the truth,...

2Th 2:9 even he, whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that are perishing; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There are a lot of folks that quickly stunt their spiritual growth by believing wrongful thoughts and lies.

Tearing others down because they use a different vocabulary than you is actually rejecting the truth.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

If you can't believe the scriptures and The Holy Spirit, then what or who are you believing instead?

As scripture says, people will be given a strong delusion/deceit to further believe the lie,... so how is GOD involved in their spiritual growth from that point on? He isn't,... they want to believe lies instead of Him.

How is GOD suppose to use someone who can't pay attention to Him? Your growth will be limited, and until you finally, somehow, see the light about your error(s), you will revolve your life around it/them.

As Christians, we need to be very careful about how we understand scripture, as well as make sure we are hearing The Holy Spirit and being taught by Him and not something/someone else. When we look at such scriptures as these, and the actions that GOD will take, I think it is quite paramount that we do,... even when we are talking about terminology.

The OP was just asking about the difference between a seer and a prophet. We answered it as that it was an archaic term used interchangeably for a prophet's but is not used today. They weren't talking about following anyone, much less anyone but Christ, so I fail to see where you equate someone who may believe that the term seer can be used interchangeably with prophet in today's world as being something that can hinders one spiritual growth.

 

[ARBITER01]

The OP was just asking about the difference between a seer and a prophet. We answered it as that it was an archaic term used interchangeably for a prophet's but is not used today. They weren't talking about following anyone, much less anyone but Christ, so I fail to see where you equate someone who may believe that the term seer can be used interchangeably with prophet in today's world as being something that can hinders one spiritual growth.

Was I talking about the OP's statement or other people in the thread entertaining falsehoods about the subject?

 

[ARBITER01]

On a side note,...

There has always been a divide in the body of Christ between those Christians that focus on the word of GOD with a sort of intensity and desire for the truth, and those Christians that have a sort of lackadaisical approach and understanding of it.