Are there some in the church that do not hear his voice and do not open the door? What happens to them? What about Ezekiel 18? Are we free to kill our own soul with our own sin?
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[/FONT][/COLOR][/I]"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. 'IF' any man HEAR MY VOICE and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with Me."
cygnusx1
First you condemn mans nature which is really right on, for we as fallen creatures are so unrighteous. But then you refer to the non scriptural doctrine of freewill .......
Are there some in the church that do not hear his voice and do not open the door? What happens to them? What about Ezekiel 18? Are we free to kill our own soul with our own sin?
you don't know me very well , that will be the day when I move from mans corrupt nature to man's so called free will !
I have been posting here for years and I am not too wrapped up in philosophy to support it.
We have two chuches Babylon and the ekklicia. Babylon is the baby goats:
Matt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divided his sheep from the goats:
A sheep is a mature believe, a sheep is loyal to His master and eats only the best of the spiritual grasses.
Of course a goat will eat any carnal garbage as long as it is in front of his nose. Notice I am speaking of God's people for both of these animals are clean according to Jewish law, a pig would be a good symbolism of the unjust. They are not clean yet because God has not called them.
I see a goat as an immature believer (baby goat); who are separated because of their spiritual immaturity.
Many are mature in their little religious box; but are immature spiritually; they have that immature goat nature. What garbage have you been eating to believe that Jesus is a terriorist.
Sheep Separated from Goats
Where on the other hand a goat or the Greek word (eriphos or kid; baby goat) So I see it as God separating his Sheep mature from His immature kids; spiritually speaking)
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1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.
If you were a Jew in Jesus day there would be no problem with this parable, you see a Jew knows a goat and a sheep are clean animals.
Actually nothing; the unqualified and unjust and bias translators obvious made a grave error in the word everlasting and should of translated it ages (NT:166 Aionios). The word means ages; limit duration. The has happen a number of times in scripture and can be easily proven by the context of the verse.
Unless of cource you baby goats want to burn forever and ever.
But according to these bias translators God is going to send a baby goat to everlasting fire.
Matt 25:41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angel (messengers)
Our soul must be saved, but our spirit returns to God who gave it.
I don't see the answer to my question in Matt 25:31 and following which is about loving indiviudals and unloving individuals and it teaches that our hope of eternal existence is connected to our love for others, just as Jesus taught when He answer the question how do I inherit eternal life.
I've been kinda captivated by the number of different ways in which the Fall had an impact. I think the one often overlooked is the covenantal impact. In some way like a will, our inheritance was wiped out by God's disowning the human race in Adam.
cygnusx1 said:There are some Bible passages that apparently teach that we have FREE WILL, but those passages must agree with the rest of the Bible.
cygnusx1 said:Rev. 3:20
"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. 'IF' any man HEAR MY VOICE and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with Me."
Notice it says, "IF ANY MAN HEAR MY VOICE." Can a DEAD MAN HEAR the voice of God? That is what we are before we are saved, DEAD in SINS. God must give us the SPIRITUAL EARS if He is drawing us to Himself. Rev. 3:20 is not teaching free will in any way. If we have been given the SPIRITUAL EARS to hear, then we will respond. Is man's soul just a little sick or injured but nevertheless alive? NO! Man is DEAD IN SINS AND TRESPASSES!
cygnusx1 said:If it was my FREE WILL that caused me to turn to Christ, then somehow I am a little bit better than my unsaved neighbor. If I responded to the Gospel while my neighbor did not then I can receive a tiny bit of credit, even though I know that my salvation depends upon what Christ has done.
The opening post has claimed that Adam in his fallen state cannot HEAR the voice of God, because he is dead in sins although this is not what the bible teaches.
First, here is a portion of the OP
NOW, If we simply read the story in Genesis, we see plainly that after the fall, Adam was able to hear the voice of God, and not only that, he understood it. Adam hid from the presence of God precisely because he had heard the voice of God walking in the garden.
Simple biblical proof which shows that the fall does not prevent man from hearing the voice of God
The LORD Himself affirms that its not about being able to hear, but rather OBEYING the simple message of the gospel (Matt 7)
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at His doctrine: For He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
So in summary, its not biblically accurate to claim that Adam cannot hear the voice of God because he is dead in sins the word of God makes no such claim on Adam, even in his fallen state resulting from disobedience
The woman was deceived, but the man was not deceived.
The OP also says this
The bible does teach that believing God is credited as righteousness even the righteousness of Christ for He IS our exceeding and great REWARD to the endless praise of God.
Nothing we could do could ever have earned His righteousness, it is freely given (as a GIFT) to those who receive it in faith to those who embrace His promises toward us, to those who simply hear His voice, and believe on Him.
Today if you hear His voice harden not your heart.
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. 'IF' any man HEAR MY VOICE and open the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him and he with Me." 　
you are aware that there are two types of hearing as there are seeing aren't you ? do you see what I mean , do you really SEE what I mean ? sight is often a synonym for knowing
"let him who has ears " means what ? all have got ears , but only some HEAR , ie, undestand and obey .
Simple question... Did Adam hear the voice of God after the fall...?
YES he did...
You said that he can't...
I hear you... (meaning I understand you)
I'm simply pointing out the error of your opening post... you claim that man cannot hear God's voice because he is dead in sins... the bible does not teach that... are you telling me it does teach that in light of what Genesis plainly teaches...?
Not a real simple question, but there must of been some of the glory of God left for Adam and many of the early people of Genesis lived to be very old. Adam did hear God when God proclaimed he and Eve were naked. But it was Cain who really left the presence of God and went eastward and built a city. The same is not said of Adam.
I hear you... (meaning I understand you)
I'm simply pointing out the error of your opening post... you claim that man cannot hear God's voice because he is dead in sins... the bible does not teach that... are you telling me it does teach that in light of what Genesis plainly teaches...?
man hears alright , I have made that particular point dozens of times in my arguments with Hypers !
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