What impact did the FALL of Adam have ?

[cygnusx1]

the truth is there is a "hearing" without hearing , oh YES there is !

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

[467AIR]

I did not disagree, read my post.

It is a simple question with a simple answer...

Could Adam hear the voice of God after the fall... YES he could... that's what is written in the word of God. Adam even understood the Lord when He spoke... that's what the bible says in its simplicity.

Are you telling me that Adam could NOT hear the voice of God after the fall ?

 

[Ghost air]

the truth is there is a "hearing" without hearing , oh YES there is !

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

It tells us why...

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[467AIR]

Again this verse is not speaking to the lost , it is speaking to the religious, religious Jews in this case...the lost could care less about anything spiritual, it is the religious who have the problem with hearing, hearing happens when some one singual hears God.

the truth is there is a "hearing" without hearing , oh YES there is !

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

[Ghost air]

I did not disagree, read my post.

Thank you...

Adam could hear the voice of God after the fall, and he could also understand what the Lord was saying when He spoke...

Again, all this AFTER his disobedience in the garden.

Just trying to correct what I see as an error in the OP with respect to what the bible actually teaches.

 

[cygnusx1]

It tells us why...

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

yes , and read further , Romans 11 also the Gospels , all make it exceedingly clear God was behind this .

 

[Ghost air]

yes , and read further , Romans 11 also the Gospels , all make it exceedingly clear God was behind this .

Clear to who... ?

 

[cygnusx1]

Clear to who... ?

to all who can hear it

 

[Ghost air]

I hear you fine...

 

[cygnusx1]

I hear you fine...

it isn't me I was referring to , scripture many times clearly openly without any hint of embarrasment , hesistation , obscurification or confusion states God was behind it . God hardened the Jews , God hardens whomever He will , you nor anyone else can FORCE God to harden anyone , He is Free to choose .

 

[Ghost air]

God hardened the Jews , God hardens whomever He will , you nor anyone else can FORCE God to harden anyone , He is Free to choose .

WHY does God's commands harden some and not others..?

WHY does God's commands soften some..?

Is there a reason in your opinion... or is it just random..?

 

[cygnusx1]

WHY does God's commands harden some and not others..?

WHY does God's commands soften some..?

Is there a reason in your opinion... or is it just random..?

for His own Glory , no God doesn't do things randomly

why did God harden the Jews , see Romans 11

 

[Ghost air]

why did God harden the Jews , see Romans 11

The bible tells us why... because of their persistent disobedience.

 

[cygnusx1]

The bible tells us why... because of their persistent disobedience.

you see this is where simple deductions do not work , we all had unbelief , hey we were the Gentiles without a hope , our lives back then were dominated by idols , we had no way of seeking God for we had no knowledge of God's will ... the Jews in the midst of the one true religion still failed you really think you would have done better than they ???

God hardened them for sin for a reason , God doesn't simply harden men because of sin , He usually punishes with no need to harden anyone , yet if there is a design , a plan then The Lord will harden instead of merely chastise .

what is more this hardening is only in part , for a season , which testifies that God will lift this operation from the Jews .... see God is bigger than "tit for tat" otherwise we are all lost !

Jesus deliberately spoke to "them" in parables and only shared the meaning with His elected believers , an extremely odd thing to do if your suppositions are correct , maybe Christ should have spoken more plainly and shared the meanings with everyone if God is after equaility

 

[Ghost air]

you see this is where simple deductions do not work , we all had unbelief , hey we were the Gentiles without a hope , our lives back then were dominated by idols , we had no way of seeking God for we had no knowledge of God's will ... the Jews in the midst of the one true religion still failed you really think you would have done better than they ???

I think you are saying that ALL people are unbelievers... and that is obviously not true, there are countless cases in the Holy scriptures where people DO BELIEVE GOD.

Obviously I think that by BELIEVING GOD, I was justified because of that simple faith in God, because of hearing the gospel (the voice of God) and simply.... get this...

BELIEVING IT.

Again, your implication above is that no person can believe the truth, and that's obviously not what the bible teaches... the bible provides countless examples of people believing within the nation of Israel...

But not all Israel is Israel... we know that...

 

[467AIR]

Who is Israel during the time of Jesus? Who is Israel now. It sure was not the Jews then or now.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

This then is the means by which Jesus intends to save all sinners, but most who call themselves 'Christian' do not even know he said this, let alone knowing who the House of Israel are or that the new covenant of grace is ONLY with those whose fathers broke the old covenant, with the descendants of the House of Israel and the House of Judah ...

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the House of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Read it for yourself then, note that the new covenant is only with those whose ancestors broke the old covenant !!!

Note that Israel was rejected but is FORGIVEN in this new covenant with them [originally recorded in Hebrew in the OT - Jer 31:31-34 - so one can check ]

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Again the promise from God to Abraham was his seed shall be as the sands on the seas shores and the stars in heaven, that is a lot of stars and sand if you start counting.

I think you are saying that ALL people are unbelievers... and that is obviously not true, there are countless cases in the Holy scriptures where people DO BELIEVE GOD.

Obviously I think that by BELIEVING GOD, I was justified because of that simple faith in God, because of hearing the gospel (the voice of God) and simply.... get this...

BELIEVING IT.

Again, your implication above is that no person can believe the truth, and that's obviously not what the bible teaches... the bible provides countless examples of people believing within the nation of Israel...

But not all Israel is Israel... we know that...

 

[cygnusx1]

I think you are saying that ALL people are unbelievers... and that is obviously not true, there are countless cases in the Holy scriptures where people DO BELIEVE GOD.

none start as believers , darkness to light is scriptural.

Obviously I think that by BELIEVING GOD, I was justified because of that simple faith in God, because of hearing the gospel (the voice of God) and simply.... get this...

BELIEVING IT.

hah , like some are saved because they were water baptised hey faith repentance and water baptsim are all equally Gospel commands , you wish to be very selective

Again, your implication above is that no person can believe the truth, and that's obviously not what the bible teaches... the bible provides countless examples of people believing within the nation of Israel...

But not all Israel is Israel... we know that...

If no person can believe then how is it that I am a Christian I think you are so keen an guessing my understanding you can't stay logical ....... If i thought none can believe the truth I would not even be posting on a Christian Forum

 

[Ghost air]

Obviously I think that by BELIEVING GOD, I was justified because of that simple faith in God, because of hearing the gospel (the voice of God) and simply.... get this...

BELIEVING IT.

hah , like some are saved because they were water baptised hey faith repentance and water baptsim are all equally Gospel commands , you wish to be very selective

Are you laughing because I said that I was saved because of believing God..?

Why do you believe that you are saved ?

I promise not to laugh...

 

[cygnusx1]

Are you laughing because I said that I was saved because of believing God..?

Why do you believe that you are saved ?

I promise not to laugh...

because I believed and repented and obeyed by being baptised in water , now are you happy ?

now why do I believe?

because God convinced me , convicted me and converted me , faith being a gift , should you quibble because God is kind enough to save some by actually saving them ?

If you think faith starts with you then boast away , but i don't think you will .

 

[Azureknight 773]

To the thread:
A lot. The impact was so tremendous that one for sure, Adam was supposedly a man who has a body that will last forever but then, due to the FALL, death came due to the disobediece to God's will.