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What if you don't have offering money?

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Never enjoyed dealing with the collections plate when it was passed around. Always felt people were watching (and many were at times) to see how much one was tithing. We have not had the money to 'properly' tithe for years due to medical problems. However, always thought it best to tithe once a month for the previous month with check / cash in an envelope. Preferably cash and unmarked because that is between you and the Lord.

Many years ago we briefly attended an amazing church. Actually we're thinking about attending again pending the possibility of relocating back to that area. Anyways, a collection plate was never passed around. Instead they had little waist high boxes placed near the entry one could simply slip in some cash or unmarked envelopes for discrete tithing.

Edit: They never made tithing a big deal - even when they were renting a space from a public school for service. Since then they have a new(er) building of their own and the ministry is well blessed. They taught give what you can when you can, and if you're being led by the Holy Spirit to do so. Not to stretch yourself thin, and remember there are other ministries that need blessing too.
 
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Hi all,
I have a question regarding church.
Due to unforeseen circumstances I have found myself in the position for one week only of not having money for the offering at Church. I am fine but live pension to pension.
What would you do?
I've thought of telling the person collecting before the service, putting a little note in.
(Explaining)
Note: I will make sure that I make up the amount next week.
I'm asking because they will stand waiting.
Do I wave them on?
It is a small church and I am the second person they go to.
Of course the easy way out is not attend but I don't believe God thinks if you have nothing you shouldn't be there.
Basically I want to be honest and not pretend. Its not great I know but its just life at the moment.
Funny thing is just now the weather predicted is not good ( gale force winds etc) so I may not even be able to go as I don't drive in weather warning weather!
There is no admission fee to worship God and serve him in the church.
 
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Hi all,
I have a question regarding church.
Due to unforeseen circumstances I have found myself in the position for one week only of not having money for the offering at Church. I am fine but live pension to pension.
What would you do?
I've thought of telling the person collecting before the service, putting a little note in.
(Explaining)
Note: I will make sure that I make up the amount next week.
I'm asking because they will stand waiting.
Do I wave them on?
It is a small church and I am the second person they go to.
Of course the easy way out is not attend but I don't believe God thinks if you have nothing you shouldn't be there.
Basically I want to be honest and not pretend. Its not great I know but its just life at the moment.
Funny thing is just now the weather predicted is not good ( gale force winds etc) so I may not even be able to go as I don't drive in weather warning weather!
The principle about giving under the New Covenant is that we give what we can happily afford. I don't put much in the offering at church, but as the senior elder and treasurer I put in a lot of time doing the church accounts, managing the payroll, conducting the worship half of services, and preaching every four weeks or so as part of the preaching team. I also spend time discussing church property matters with the Board of Managers chairperson. I also compile and print the church bulletin for every Sunday. Also, because it is the time when I have to work with the auditor to get our accounts signed off, that can spend quite a bit of time. I am also on a retirement pension and still have to pay our household bills and support our daughter when she runs out of money.

But when the Lord has specifically instructed me to put money in the offering, I did. Some time ago, the Lord told me at a conference to put my lunch money in the offering. As a result, my pay at work went up $12,000 a year, and when I went to run a healing seminar, I received a generous love offering. Also, I was invited to speak at a rural Presbyterian church on a regular basis, and they paid me a "pulpit supply" fee, which was quite generous. So, obeying the Lord, I planted a financial "seed", and the Lord enabled me to reap.

I believe in Biblical prosperity in that God does not want us to be over-wealthy, but He doesn't want us to be broke either. In the 52 years I have been a Christian, through all the ups and downs of life, He has always supplied my needs, and there has always been a roof over my head, food on the table, clothes to wear, and my bills paid. The only debt my wife and I had was our house mortgage, and that has been paid off for around three years now. When I retired, I was offered a part time job at the budgeting agency where I am a board member, and that has supplemented my pension so that my wife and I have not had to struggle to make ends meet.

But I definitely don't believe in using the generosity of God's people to live a opulent lifestyle as some do. I think that it was Paul who said that we do not do Christian ministry for gain, yet the labourer is worthy of his hire. This means that a full-time Christian worker or pastor needs to be paid a reasonable salary. It seems that some churches go to one extreme or another. They either pay their pastor well below a livable wage, or the pastor rakes off so much of the funds to afford a mansion in the best part of town, the most expensive motor car, and a very large bank balance - all financed by those who are misled to think they are giving their money to the work of the Lord.

But I believe that as Christians, we should have a reasonable home that meets our family needs, a motor car that we send more time in it than under it, good clean fashionable clothes (not high expensive fashion), good nutritious food, and being able to pay the household bills without incurring debt.

Money is just one of the things we give to the Lord, and if a person doesn't have a lot of money to give, but has time and energy, then the Lord accepts that as happily as those who can put large sums of money in the offering each Sunday.
 
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Hard time ? LOL If someone is immature enough to reproach you for it, say to them : 'Tell you what. How if I let you know when I feel I need your advice ? Hmmm ? Better still - let it be water off a duck's back.

I suspect it is all in your mind though. Very, very few people, would be foolish enough to take you to task over such a matter. None, I suspect.
Agreed, I can't really imagine it happening either. Though the original poster seemed to express some reservations, at least about what people would think.
 
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Hi all,
I have a question regarding church.
Due to unforeseen circumstances I have found myself in the position for one week only of not having money for the offering at Church. I am fine but live pension to pension.
What would you do?
I've thought of telling the person collecting before the service, putting a little note in.
(Explaining)
Note: I will make sure that I make up the amount next week.
I'm asking because they will stand waiting.
Do I wave them on?
It is a small church and I am the second person they go to.
Of course the easy way out is not attend but I don't believe God thinks if you have nothing you shouldn't be there.
Basically I want to be honest and not pretend. Its not great I know but its just life at the moment.
Funny thing is just now the weather predicted is not good ( gale force winds etc) so I may not even be able to go as I don't drive in weather warning weather!

2 Corinthians 9:7 (New Testament Giving)
Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
We are to give as we are able, never out of expectation from others or for any other reason, other than, because we willingly want to give. That's what God wants. If there's nothing to give, don't give and there's no need to feel bad about it or explain it to anyone. God already knows.
 
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My personal philosophy during times of financial hardship is this: when I have more money I give more money, and when I have more time I give more time. I find that the times during which I am strapped for cash I will have an abundance of time instead (unemployment between jobs, part-time employment, retirement, etc.). So when I'm financially strapped, I look for more opportunities to volunteer, help others, and serve in Church. On the opposite side, when I'm fully employed and strapped for time, I find that I have more money available, and I can give more freely in that way instead.
 
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It is ok not to have it and the offering is a free will offering now. Your reaction is a bit of worry of what others will think of you. So it might be good for you to experience this awkward feeling and remember that you life, your time and your talents are all for teh LORD. You owe no one an explanation.
Do you know what? When I REALLY look at it you are right.
It was a good thing really because it did remind me that everything I give whether money, time,effort,faith,love is all for the LORD alone and that everything else comes about by this alone.
And thinking about others thoughts of me or my actions comes down to that insidious sin of pride.
Thank you for your post.
And everyone else's.:groupray:
I went to church yesterday, quietly waved on the offering and gave my all to the LORD.
and learned a lesson I didn't know I
needed.:preach:
 
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Left one thing out of my post. I repented of my pride.
When I originally posted I had no idea of anything past not having the money for the offering this week. I never realised that I didn't even think any about any of the other giving. It has been a timely lesson!
 
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This reminds me of the widow in Mark 12:43 when she gave next to nothing, but since it was all she had to live on it was more than the offering of the rich who gave out of their wealth. The amount given depends on your earnings. Another way to give is through your time if it's bothering your conscience.
 
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This reminds me of the widow in Mark 12:43 when she gave next to nothing, but since it was all she had to live on it was more than the offering of the rich who gave out of their wealth. The amount given depends on your earnings. Another way to give is through your time if it's bothering your conscience.
Thank you for your reply.
I do other things, this was a one off and I just wanted to know what others would do.I have had really helpful advice from everyone and very thankful:)
 
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I have been barely able to give for years due to finances. Most weeks I am stretching my food as it is (fridge and freezer have nothing in them). I do not go every week like I used to, for reasons, but I do feel guilty for not giving when I have those three singles in my wallet. I know people say to give and God will provide. Sadly, I gave given and I still went hungry for days where that $3 could have been used at the Dollar Tree.
It is a hard thing, but God knows my heart and my struggles, and my doubts.
 
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Hi all,
I have a question regarding church.
Due to unforeseen circumstances I have found myself in the position for one week only of not having money for the offering at Church. I am fine but live pension to pension.
What would you do?
I've thought of telling the person collecting before the service, putting a little note in.
(Explaining)
Note: I will make sure that I make up the amount next week.
I'm asking because they will stand waiting.
Do I wave them on?
It is a small church and I am the second person they go to.
Of course the easy way out is not attend but I don't believe God thinks if you have nothing you shouldn't be there.
Basically I want to be honest and not pretend. Its not great I know but its just life at the moment.
Funny thing is just now the weather predicted is not good ( gale force winds etc) so I may not even be able to go as I don't drive in weather warning weather!

The practice of giving some of our money to the church is not some divine command, it's certainly true that tithes were commanded of ancient Israel, but no such command is given to the Church. Our giving to the church, so that money and goods can be used and distributed for the good of everyone else, in particular the poor, the hungry, and the needy is simply an expression of Christian charity.

There is no commandment that says you have to give X amount. If you are financially unable to give, then there is nothing wrong in not giving. Give as you are able, not out of fear and obligation, but out of love for your neighbor.

If you have nothing you can give, then wave them on. Don't concern yourself about it, because you've done nothing wrong. And, if you have a relatively healthy community then there shouldn't be any judgment about this either. And if anyone were to judge you, they are the ones sinning, not you, and that is something they need to address between themselves and the Lord.

Christian ethics points us to being cheerful givers because the Lord invites us to share in His love for others, and so we give for the good of others. We don't give because of a law that is pressed upon our necks, but because the Lord invites us to share in His own loving kindness and generosity. One way to participate in that is by giving to the church so that the church can take those gifts and redistribute them to the needy, both to those inside and outside of the church.

Your conscience can rest easy, because your heart is in the right place; but do not be overwhelmed by guilt that shouldn't be there. Give when you are able, and don't stress the small stuff--there's no need to strain at gnats here.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It really pains me when well-intentioned people are burdened by pressure other people place on them to do things not even commanded by Christ. Modern "churches" bear no resemblance to the New Covenant assemblies on record, for they are steeped in pagan and human traditions. One example is the collection/offering plate which is often passed around during worship services.

There is no mention of an offering/collection plate being passed around in the early New Covenant assemblies; it's a practice that started centuries later. The early saints gathered to pray, praise God, eat the Lord's supper (break bread), teach, interpret, sing, be edified and to have fellowship (Acts 2:42, 46; Acts 4:31; Acts 11:26; Acts 12:5, 12; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 11:17-34; 1 Cor 14:26), but never is passing around an offering/collection plate listed among the things the saints assembled to do. Those saints who had an abundance took their gifts to the apostles to be divided among the poor saints (Acts 2:45).

Others here have mentioned that tithing -- the giving of a tenth of a family's flocks, produce, grain, wine or oil (Deut 14:22-29; Neh 13:10-13) -- was an Old Testament command. Both tithes and offerings were associated with the Levitical priesthood and the animal sacrifices. Hebrews 6:19 - 7:28 explains their purpose and how the sacrifices and the priesthood have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Even in the Old Testament, God instructed His people who were able to provide for the Levites and the poor among them. As our High Priest, Jesus has no fleshly needs but he stated if we [welcome, clothe, feed, visit, etc.] "one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me" (Matthew 25:31-40).

The saints in the first New Covenant assemblies built no physical structures called "churches" to worship in. Jesus never commanded them to do so. They met primarily in private residences and also in public places, so there were no expenses associated with buildings and property. Resources were used instead to help the needy saints. Many church leaders, though, like to take certain scripture out of context and use it to justify robbing their congregations. One such passage is 1 Cor 16:1-2 in which Paul instructs the congregation at Corinth, as he did the congregations at Galatia, to take up a collection for the needy saints in Judea. The third verse makes it clear the collection was for a special circumstance. The original Greek indicates the collection was to be gathered and stored only one week -- not "every" week. While Paul urged the saints to be generous, no one gave by compulsion. Because the saints at Macedonia were extremely poor, Paul didn't expect them to contribute anything, but they insisted (2 Cor 8:1-4).

That picture of the New Covenant assemblies of the first century contrasts greatly with the religious institutions today where church-goers are compelled to "give 'til it hurts." Poor church-goers are expected to cut back on groceries to pamper a well-fed preacher, maintain a building and the property it sits on (while struggling to pay their own bills), and fine-tune an organ. Another popular biblical passage used to condone the practice is Jesus' observation about the poor widow in the Temple treasury. Many people suppose Jesus was commending the woman and holding her up as an example for all to follow. Yet, nothing in the passage supports this view. Jesus simply made a comparison between the poor widow and others contributing to the treasury, who gave out of their abundance, to point out the disparity. Those who gave out of their abundance still had plenty to live on, while the poor widow gave "all she had to live on" (Mark 12:41-44).

Obviously, Jesus was very concerned about the poor and his expectation for his people is that we help the needy rather than criticize them, as the Pharisees and scribes did. Think about it: If a church takes up a collection during worship services with the idea that it is a display of worship, and the proceeds or a portion of the proceeds are used to fund or maintain a building, who or what is really being worshiped? :frowning: The apostle Paul even quoted God, saying (Act 7:48-50):

48 Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,

49 “‘Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?’
 
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Thank you for your reply and Scripture. A little over a week ago I actually left the church due to differences that I discussed with the minister so he understood as I could not continue to compromise other practices that were done there.
I am attending a small home church where I will not feel that each time I attend I am compromising which was the case at the other church. It came to am I following the Lord or do I continue because the people are nice? It is sad but I continue to pray for them but I am firm that it is God alone whom I follow 100% with a clear conscience.

Then this week I found that Voice of the Martyrs whom I have financially supported for over twenty years have not been transparent in their practice and that the son Michael Wurmbrand whose parents founded VOM asked that his and his parents names be no longer used in association to no avail. One reason was the spending of 28 million dollars of funds on their new headquarters as well as other very distressing issues.
More and more we Christians have to be vigilant for the enemy surely is seeking whom he may devour.
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He will direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5+6
 
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Thank you for your reply and Scripture. A little over a week ago I actually left the church due to differences that I discussed with the minister so he understood as I could not continue to compromise other practices that were done there.
I am attending a small home church where I will not feel that each time I attend I am compromising which was the case at the other church. It came to am I following the Lord or do I continue because the people are nice? It is sad but I continue to pray for them but I am firm that it is God alone whom I follow 100% with a clear conscience.

Then this week I found that Voice of the Martyrs whom I have financially supported for over twenty years have not been transparent in their practice and that the son Michael Wurmbrand whose parents founded VOM asked that his and his parents names be no longer used in association to no avail. One reason was the spending of 28 million dollars of funds on their new headquarters as well as other very distressing issues.
More and more we Christians have to be vigilant for the enemy surely is seeking whom he may devour.
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge Him and He will direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5+6

the spending of 28 million dollars of funds on their new headquarters ? ?

there could really not be a greater contradiction of that which the cause which they ,in appearance , champion . :(
 
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Hi all,
I have a question regarding church.
Due to unforeseen circumstances I have found myself in the position for one week only of not having money for the offering at Church. I am fine but live pension to pension.
What would you do?
I've thought of telling the person collecting before the service, putting a little note in.
(Explaining)
Note: I will make sure that I make up the amount next week.
I'm asking because they will stand waiting.
Do I wave them on?
It is a small church and I am the second person they go to.
Of course the easy way out is not attend but I don't believe God thinks if you have nothing you shouldn't be there.
Basically I want to be honest and not pretend. Its not great I know but its just life at the moment.
Funny thing is just now the weather predicted is not good ( gale force winds etc) so I may not even be able to go as I don't drive in weather warning weather!

You may want to talk to the pastor and ask why the people doing the collection stand and wait on others expecting them to give. That puts people in an awkward position like you are describing here when you come upon a hard time and have nothing. I would suspect however that you would feel awkward talking to him about that, but this really is not a godly practice. You should give because you want to, not because someone is forcing your hand or making you feel awkward for not. Giving is not a requirement of being saved. That's legalism and poison to a church.
 
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You may want to talk to the pastor and ask why the people doing the collection stand and wait on others expecting them to give. That puts people in an awkward position like you are describing here when you come upon a hard time and have nothing. I would suspect however that you would feel awkward talking to him about that, but this really is not a godly practice. You should give because you want to, not because someone is forcing your hand or making you feel awkward for not. Giving is not a requirement of being saved. That's legalism and poison to a church.
ask the elders ..they are over a pastor (so few know what a pastor is and it is not a solo leader) but no need to ask the reason they collect the way they do is a coercive method .. and thus WRONG
 
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