What if we have ALL been 'duped'?

[interpreter]

All total nonsense! Constantine never made any such statement. Historians Eusebius and Lactantius who lived at the time of Constantine document that he was a Christian. Was he perfect? Are you? As for mudering Christians there is no record of that. After Nicaea two, of the 318, bishops refused to sign the council's canons. They were not killed, they were stripped of their Bishopricks and exiled. One, Eusebius, was later reinstated by Constantine. May I suggest that you read real histories and not get your information from random blogs online.

Amen. We have been duped by those who say all the Revelation will take place in the future, and fail to see that we have been living in the end times since 312AD

 

[he-man]

Amen. We have been duped by those who say all the Revelation will take place in the future, and fail to see that we have been living in the end times since 312AD

That cannot possibly be because you mistakenly stated that Christ was not cast out of this world.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Where then and the slain of the LORD ?
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Here the saints are opposed by Gog and Magog, the Satan shall be loosed out of his prison; and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle; the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and opposed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved loved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [NOTICE THE PLURAL "THEM" which are the kings of the earth, and their armies, Rev 19:19]
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

 

[Der Alte]

Amen. We have been duped by those who say all the Revelation will take place in the future, and fail to see that we have been living in the end times since 312AD

Total nonsense. Constantine did not fulfill any prophecy concerning the end times or anything else.

 

[interpreter]

Total nonsense. Constantine did not fulfill any prophecy concerning the end times or anything else.

He rode a white horse and conquered with a bow, and founded the first Christian superpower.
The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th Christian superpower to rule the earth for Jesus. Our weapons bring hell and death.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Pardon me Perplexed, i thought you said you were afraid satan was winning.
He is just a loser all the way around. Had a good deal going and let pride get the better of him.
Lots of losers now doing the same thing. That dosent make him a winner, just the head loser.

...
Here the saints are opposed by Gog and Magog, the Satan shall be loosed out of his prison; and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle; ...

How do you know Yahweh is the good one?

Perhaps Yahweh is the great deceiver, and it is Satan who is the true good God. And belief in Yahweh earns you a one way ticket to hell, while any other belief earns you a ticket to heaven.

 

[Der Alte]

How do you know Yahweh is the good one?

Perhaps Yahweh is the great deceiver, and it is Satan who is the true good God. And belief in Yahweh earns you a one way ticket to hell, while any other belief earns you a ticket to heaven.

If you believe that you are in the wrong forum.

 

[James Is Back]

How do you know Yahweh is the good one?

Perhaps Yahweh is the great deceiver, and it is Satan who is the true good God. And belief in Yahweh earns you a one way ticket to hell, while any other belief earns you a ticket to heaven.

Yes because the satanic bible is the best selling book in the world. And billions of people wear pentagrams and gather around sacrificing goats and people

/fully blown and unadulterated grade A sarcasm!!!

 

[Imagican]

Der Alter,

History PLAINLY shows that Constantine was a PAGAN Emperor. His only concerns with his NEW religion were PURELY political. This is a man that had his wife and son MURDERED after being the deciding factor at the Council at Nicaea.

He was RAISED a 'ruthless dictator' and DIED a ruthless dictator.

the ONLY reason that the Catholic Church has attempted to raise him to sainthood is for the POWER that he allowed them to garner. Making HIM a saint is no different then trying to deceive others into believing that Peter was the first Pope of Rome.

The only HINT that Constantine even believed in the existence of Jesus is the STORY of his dream. But even that is about as contrary as anything REMOTELY resembling the TRUE 'Christ'. For we have ONLY his story. And we KNOW that there are NO examples of Christ siding in ANY battle between MEN. Christ taught forgiveness, turning the other cheek. He NEVER taught that men imagining Him giving instruction to create graven images would EVER have anything to do with HIM.

But there is another deceiver that would be more than willing to mimic Christ, God or anyone or thing else in order to get men to worship him. And that entity IS the 'father of lies'.

So the EVIDENCE is: Constantine THOUGHT that the vision he had was of Christ but instead was SATAN in disguise. Leading him to create a graven image that Constantine SAID was inspired by Christ. An image that HE claimed was responsible for his victory at the Milvian Bridge.

But WE KNOW that this is NOT the method of Our Savior that taught FORGIVENESS. That taught men to let the WORLD rule the WORLD and let His followers follow HIM in sharing love and forgiveness. Instead of trying to RULE the world, try to keep the world from rubbing off on them. So it's OBVIOUS that the LEGEND attributing Christ as being the REASON for Constantine WINNING the battle of the Milvian Bridge is JUST THAT: Legend. A STORY. And whatever truth is involved, certainly doesn't involve CHRIST except in his interpretation. It certainly didn't turn Constantine into a BELIEVER or FOLLOWER. Not so far as HISTORY is concerned. Maybe the Catholic Church's version of history. But not a far as recorded history is concerned.

So, you can save your convoluted accounts of imaginary versions of Constantine for those looking to be brainwashed by fairy tales. The TRUTH is that he was a ruthless pagan Emperor who tried to USE a 'new religion' to hold his Empire together at a time when it's very existence was quite precarious. And the Catholic Church LAUDS him for allowing them to gain the power that they held for over a thousand years. Lauds him to the point that they would have you believe he was a 'Christian Saint'. But in truth, there is NO indication that he EVER believed in Christ. He was merely willing to USE the name in order to try and introduce a UNIFIED religion into his Empire.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Amen. We have been duped by those who say all the Revelation will take place in the future, and fail to see that we have been living in the end times since 312AD

Absolutely. Revelation STARTED at the time of it's REVELATION. It was not meant to indicate something that suddenly happens. It is an evolving situation that will CULMINATE in the future but has been working it's way up to the end since it was REVEALED. The spirit of anti Christ existed at the TIME Revelation was penned. The falling away STARTED from the moment that Christ revealed Himself as God's Son.

But the finality of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled. Close, but not yet. The world is RIPE but the harvest has yet to take place. And it won't until that TIME God decides that it's TIME to save His very ELECT. And that may be only TWO people on the WHOLE planet. Or maybe 144,000 which is STILL a drop in a bucket compared to the population of this planet.

Thanks for sharing.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[rick357]

Absolutely. Revelation STARTED at the time of it's REVELATION. It was not meant to indicate something that suddenly happens. It is an evolving situation that will CULMINATE in the future but has been working it's way up to the end since it was REVEALED. The spirit of anti Christ existed at the TIME Revelation was penned. The falling away STARTED from the moment that Christ revealed Himself as God's Son.

There is a time stamp in revealations....

*[[Rev 5:1-5]] RNKJV*
%v 1% And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
%v 2% And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
%v 3% And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
%v 4% And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
%v 5% And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The seals were not opened untill a man was worthy to do so....when asked no one is worthy.
But then the slain lamb appears....so when did these seals begin being opened....around 30 a.d.

 

[Imagican]

How do you know Yahweh is the good one?

Perhaps Yahweh is the great deceiver, and it is Satan who is the true good God. And belief in Yahweh earns you a one way ticket to hell, while any other belief earns you a ticket to heaven.

See he man???? There ARE those, MANY, that believe that Satan is the GOD of this world. There are MANY that WORSHIP him as the God of this world. Yet you would try and convince us that he doesn't even exist.

I say that ANY god that is worshiped other than the ONE TRUE GOD is Satan. He doesn't CARE what name you give him so long as you WORSHIP HIM instead of the ONE true God. And he rewards those that follow him and ESPECIALLY those that are able to bring OTHERS to him. This is HIS world.

Heck, you have already STATED that YOU believe that Christ has been CAST OUT of this world. If that is the case, then WHO's WORLD is it? If Christ was CAST OUT then it's OBVIOUS that He is no longer it's RULER. And we can clearly SEE the shape it's in. It's on the verge of collapsing in upon itself. There is more ruthlessness in the world today than ever before. There is MORE SIN in the world TODAY than EVER before. And more DECEPTION in the 'churches' TODAY than ever before.

Where do YOU think all of this COMES FROM? MEN? Hardly. Men are barely able to influence their OWN lives, much less the course of this world. You give ENTIRELY too much credit to men. They are mostly CHILDREN with little power or control of ANYTHING other than their own measly existences.

This planet was created by God through His Son for a REASON. And the reason was NOT to let men arbitrarily alter it to suit THEIR agenda. It was basically created as a HOME for God's Children. Unfortunately at an early stage Satan was able to alter, through influence, that which was MEANT to be something DIFFERENT. I BELIEVE that God had HOPED that His children would be able to overcome temptation. Unfortunately they weren't. And that inability gave rise to Satan's influence being the deciding factor instead of LOVE. He was able to convince men to be lovers of themselves instead of God or His Son.

So, this is not a planet designed or ruled by MEN. It is a planet designed and ruled by Satan who has dominion over it and all it's resources. All one needs to DO is READ the Bible to plainly SEE that everything that has happened upon this planet has been influenced by one of TWO deciding factors. But the MAJORITY of the events have been determined by the influence of Satan. For it is in THEMSELVES that men have placed their faith instead of God or His Son. And quite often, unaware of the SOURCE of their OWN influence. While believing themselves to be RULERS, the TRUE influence of their power is their own worse enemy and the enemy of both Christ and God Himself: Satan.

And I am not sure HOW MANY angels existed in heaven at the time of Satan's revolt, but obviously there were MANY. For one third is obviously quite a large number. And we have NO idea what factors may exist that hve the potential to create MORE 'demons'. Regardless of our knowledge of NUMBERS, what we DO know through the Bible is that they EXIST in apparently LARGE numbers. For ONE man to be possessed by as many as THREE to FIVE thousand demons, there must be MANY. For that is what 'legion' meant back then. It was a group of soldiers determined by a NUMBER. And that number meant three and sometimes FIVE thousand individual members to the 'legion'.

We have a BUNCH of references to Christ casting out demons. You say this was merely a matter of healing the mentally deranged. I say, you are WRONG. If that was the case, we wouldn't be given the word DEMONS as the culprits. We would have been INFORMED that it was merely a different manner of HEALING. For when Christ HEALED those that were BLIND or CRIPPLED, etc,,,,, that is EXACTLY what we are TOLD.

But so far as demons are concerned, the Bible informs us that they were actual ENTITIES able to enter people and influence their behavior. NOTHING even INDICATES that these people were merely mentally ill. But that there were actual ENTITIES influencing them that could be CAST OUT.

And then there is the story about the man 'cleaning up his house' and getting rid of a demon that dwelt there. And after a time, the man obviously reverted BACK to where he was BEFORE the 'cleaning of his house', and the demon came BACK and brought worse demons back with it.

This OBVIOUSLY has NO reference to a MENTAL DISORDER at all. For one doesn't HEAL themselves of mental disorders, (clean one's house).

So you have refused to accept what is offered in the Word. Why I have no idea. But the Bible tells us ONE story and you offer another. And the one you offer is often contradictory to the Bible itself. YOU say it is a matter of translation. I say that the 47 scholars that translated the KJV of the Bible did the BEST they could and a number of them understood Greek so well as to debate Biblical issues IN GREEK. These were men that KNEW Greek FLUENTLY. So your attempt to indicate that the translation was faulty doesn't stand up so far as I am concerned. I would trust 47 SCHOLARS to correctly translate something before I would trust ONE man who's translation is totally DIFFERENT than the 47.

And it's not only a matter of placing my trust in a translation simply over the one's who translated it. It's MORE about my experience and it's relation to what is offered in the Bible. There are things that I KNOW to be the truth for they have been revealed through shear EXPERIENCE. I have WITNESSED demons PERSONALLY. You would offer that this is untrue, but that is simply what YOU SAY. I SAY, I offer witness and testimony that I have experienced demons PERSONALLY. And you can't convince ME to deny what I have personally experienced.

And it is MY opinion that EVERYONE that has placed their faith in God through His Son KNOWS that Satan is a 'fallen angel' that was cast down to this Earth upon being defeated during a battle in heaven. God would NOT leave His children in a position to be UNABLE to defend themselves against the Devil. So it is MY FIRM BELIEF that in order to believe in God, one MUST believe in Satan as well. For we are to serve in TRUTH and in Spirit. And the TRUTH is what makes it possible for us to OVERCOME. We cannot overcome that which we DO NOT RECOGNIZE.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[he-man]

See he man???? There ARE those, MANY, that believe that Satan is the GOD of this world. There are MANY that WORSHIP him as the God of this world. Yet you would try and convince us that he doesn't even exist.

Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. That by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost of THIS WORLD, means simply mankind at large in their state of probation in this lower world, in opposition to their state in the world to come.

The same meaning the word has in several other places, to which l need not refer; it simply implying the present state of things, governed by the Divine providence, in contradistinction from the eternal state: and it is very remarkable that, in 1 Timothy 1:17, God himself is called τω δε βασιλει των αιωνων, the King of the WORLD; what we call King eternal; but here it evidently means him who governs both worlds, and rules in time and eternity.

Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse: But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients.
The Adam Clarke Commentary
2 Corinthians 4 - Adam Clarke Commentary

Heck, you have already STATED that YOU believe that Christ has been CAST OUT of this world. If that is the case, then WHO's WORLD is it?

God's, until it is handed over to Christ who sits on the right hand of God until He has put all enemies under His footstool.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

This planet was created by God through His Son for a REASON. And the reason was NOT to let men arbitrarily alter it to suit THEIR agenda.

Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

But so far as demons are concerned, the Bible informs us that they were actual ENTITIES able to enter people and influence their behavior. NOTHING even INDICATES that these people were merely mentally ill. But that there were actual ENTITIES influencing them that could be CAST OUT.

Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. αφρίζω From G876; to froth at the mouth (in epilepsy).
Mat 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic,<&#963;&#949;&#955;&#951;&#957;&#953;&#945;&#769;&#950;&#959;&#956;&#945;&#953; to be moon struck, that is, crazy: - be lunatic>. those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Mar 12:8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Hebrew, the biblical word ha-satan means "the adversary" or the obstacle, or even "the prosecutor" (recognizing that God is viewed as the ultimate Judge).

Much "Satanic" lore does not originate from actual Satanists, but from Christians. Best-known would be the medieval folklore and theology surrounding demons and witches.

Remember from 2 Thessalonians, where Saint Paul writes that the power of the presence of Christ made the "lawless One" powerless, and gave comfort to the Christians, which is exactly the same idea that Saint Peter is writing about in 2 Peter 2:4 through 9.
Also totally absent from the scriptures is any hint that demons are tormenting sinners. This again comes from Dante's Inferno and other pagan concepts, not from the Bible.

And it is MY opinion that EVERYONE that has placed their faith in God through His Son KNOWS that Satan is a 'fallen angel' that was cast down to this Earth upon being defeated during a battle in heaven. Blessings, MEC

Rev 12:9 is said by John to be a FUTURE event, NOT one that has already happened. Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And it's not only a matter of placing my trust in a translation simply over the one's who translated it.

HMMMN, that is odd, how many different translations are there and why do you think there are so many? Here are just a few:

Nestle-Aland Text
Pentateuch
Peshitta
Psalms
Psalter
Septuagint
Textus Receptus
Vulgate
American Standard ·
Rotherham's Emphasized ·
Ferrar Fenton ·
Worrell New Testament ·
Knox ·
Basic English ·
Revised Standard ·
Anchor ·
New World ·
Modern Language Bible ·
New English Bible ·
New American Standard ·
Good News ·
Jerusalem ·
New American ·
Living ·
New International ·
New Century ·
Bethel ·
New King James ·
New Jerusalem ·
Recovery ·
New Revised Standard ·
Revised English ·
Contemporary English ·
The Message ·
Clear Word ·
New Life ·
21st Century King James ·
Third Millennium ·
New International Reader's ·
New International Inclusive Language ·
God's Word ·
New Living ·
Heinz Cassirer's translation ·
Complete Jewish Bible ·
International Standard ·
Holman Christian Standard

 

[Imagican]

You keep insisting that the account of Satan's fall, offered in Revelation is a 'future' event. I have already tried to explain to you, as in almost EVERY 'story', there is the NEED to retell certain parts in order to make sense of others.

When we take the Bible as a WHOLE, it then ONLY makes sense that this is NOT a 'future event' but one that took place LONG before.

So, for me to start a story and start by saying that 'the events offered are for a time in the future' does not negate the possibility or even the likelihood of offering past and present in order to place the future in the proper perspective.

Therefore, the offering that the things John were told to write down were future events doesn't alter the reality that what is offered about the 'war in heaven' between Satan and God took place in the PAST.

And I find it utterly confusing that you deny the very existence of Satan on one hand, and then say that the event in question, (a war between Satan and God's angels), is a future event. How can you have it both ways? There is NO Satan, but the event offered in Revelation is GOING to happen?

Even if what is offered in Revelation is a FUTURE event, certainly the EXISTENCE of Satan isn't a FUTURE event. For one of the very words used to describe him is 'that OLD serpent'. This being a reference to Satan having BEEN in existence PREVIOUS to the event mentioned. And by the very nature of the world "OLD", it is indicative of something that has been around for a LONG time. A reference to the PAST. An 'old man' is one that has been around for a LONG time.

So you deny the existence of Satan, yet say that the event pertaining to Satan is a FUTURE event????? An obvious admission that Satan does indeed exist. For there to be a 'future event' involving Satan, that 'old dragon' or 'the Devil, there MUST BE a Satan, old dragon, a Devil.

But to give you the opportunity to explain yourself, exactly WHEN is this, 'Satan', who will be involved with a 'future event' going to BEGIN to exist? If he is not already in existence, exactly WHEN is he going to COME INTO EXISTENCE?

Blessings,

MEC

 

[interpreter]

There is a time stamp in revealations....

*[[Rev 5:1-5]] RNKJV*
%v 1% And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
%v 2% And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
%v 3% And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
%v 4% And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
%v 5% And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The seals were not opened untill a man was worthy to do so....when asked no one is worthy.
But then the slain lamb appears....so when did these seals begin being opened....around 30 a.d.

The Revelation can only be opened by the second coming of Jesus which occurred in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the sky, and Jesus came into power through St Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow,

 

[rick357]

The Revelation can only be opened by the second coming of Jesus which occurred in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the sky, and Jesus came into power through St Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow,

You know that he who rides a white horse and conqueres with a bow is not Christ....compare Zecharia 6: 1-8 for clarity
And if this white horse is constantine he has quited(let fall, put aside)the Spirit in the land north of Israel wich fits with Constantinople.

 

[interpreter]

You know that he who rides a white horse and conqueres with a bow is not Christ....compare Zecharia 6: 1-8 for clarity
And if this white horse is constantine he has quited(let fall, put aside)the Spirit in the land north of Israel wich fits with Constantinople.

The 4 horsemen are 4 Christian superpowers that have in turn riled the earth for Jesus since the second coming in 312 AD. The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th.

 

[rick357]

The 4 horsemen are 4 Christian superpowers that have in turn riled the earth for Jesus since the second coming in 312 AD. The US, founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse, is the 4th.

You know washington was not christian dont you...I think your interpretation is off....but I know your view of the earthly reign of Christ is off.

 

[Imagican]

There is a time stamp in revealations....

*[[Rev 5:1-5]] RNKJV*
%v 1% And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
%v 2% And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
%v 3% And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
%v 4% And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
%v 5% And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The seals were not opened untill a man was worthy to do so....when asked no one is worthy.
But then the slain lamb appears....so when did these seals begin being opened....around 30 a.d.

Maybe. But my point wasn't an EXACT MOMENT, but more of a general idea of WHEN Revelation began to become fulfilled. I'll accept your offering of a possibility of 'the time' it began. For we are speaking of a mere number of days difference. Less than a thousand days.

I personally believe that the story of the woman, her child and Satan is a RECAP of the birth of Christ. Whether it is in reference to his physical birth here on Earth or His creation in heaven, I believe it is in reference to the PAST and not the FUTURE. It is offered to place into perspective the entire scenario of Satan and his rebellion against God. And his attempt to take what he believed was rightfully his: Mankind. For it is MY opinion that the REASON for Satan's rebellion WAS: Christ. He, (Satan), was FIRST, before Christ, and his envy and jealousy over Christ is what led him to rebel. While the Bible doesn't give EXACT detail, it is OBVIOUS to anyone capable of contemplation that there HAD TO BE A REASON. And the answer the 'church' has offered isn't a very plausible one. It wasn't MERELY 'pride', it was JEALOUSY and ENVY as well.

And we have the history and recurring theme offered over and over throughout the entire Bible: the elder being jealous and envious of the younger.

Cain and Able, Ishmael and Issac. Esau and Jacob. Throughout the Bible we SEE the rivalry between siblings. And it's almost ALWAYS the elder being envious and jealous of the younger. Joseph and his twelve brothers. Over and over and over again.

And as in MOST of the Bible, there is a REASON that we are offered what we are offered. it is for our edification in understanding. It is to SHOW, through example, what we are to understand as a WHOLE.

It is my belief that the Bible SHOWS, through example, that Satan was FIRST, and then Christ. And that the reason for Satan's revolt in heaven, was due to God choosing Christ to be the head of man. Satan felt that HE should have been chosen for this honor. And a third of the angels in heaven felt the same way. They felt that the honor should have been delegated to Satan and that's why they fought on the side of Satan.

And note that I am NOT offering this as FACT. I have simply stated that through the overwhelming evidence, and what I believe has been personal revelation, I BELIEVE these things. I am NOT offering them with any sense of authority. Simply what I have come to BELIEVE. But I DO believe that it is a belief INSPIRED.

The 'churches' have always tried to teach that it was mere 'pride' that led to the revolt. I offer that it was MORE than mere pride. It was also a matter of jealousy and ENVY. A FEELING that the pot's SHAPE was somehow cheated out of it's form and purpose that led to Satan rebelling. He felt betrayed and decided that he would do whatever he could to destroy that which he felt should have been his to begin with. He decided that since it should have been his role to begin with, he would do whatever he could to BECOME the 'god of men'.

And that is what the Bible tells us. That Satan wants to BE God. And the ONLY way that he could recognize this position would be for men to WORSHIP HIM. And that is what he has been working on since the time in the garden. Getting men,, (and women), to FOLLOW HIM instead of God and His Son. The Bible tells us that one day, in the near future, (I believe), that Satan is going to manifest himself IN THE FLESH on this Earth and set himself up in some sort of temple, (could be merely the HEARTS of men or in a physical temple of his own design), AS GOD. And that the majority of those upon this earth, (men and women), will WORSHIP him AS God.

And that is ALL he has wanted since the moment of his being informed God had chosen Christ to be the 'creator of men'. He wanted to BE the 'creator' and he wanted men to worship HIM.

The Bible indicates that Satan was SPECIAL in heaven. That he was second ONLY to God. God had granted him status for his obedience and that status is what led him to believe that the honor of 'creation' should have been his instead of the NEWLY created Son: Christ.

And this understanding has been hidden by the 'creation' of 'trinity'. For 'trinity' insists that Christ is ETERNAL. While, from the moment of conception, Christ IS eternal. Christ was NOT ALWAYS in existence.

The Bible TELLS us that Christ is the FIRSTBORN of EVERY 'creature'. That means that BEFORE there was EVER any OTHER 'creature', Christ was 'created' FIRST.

I BELIEVE that at the moment God said, "Let there be Light", that was the 'creation' of Christ. For Christ IS 'the Light of THIS WORLD'. And without LIGHT, there is NO LIFE that we know of. "Let US create man in OUR image". As far as we KNOW, God has NO personal contact with that which is PHYSICAL. He is SPIRIT. Perhaps it was necessary to CREATE a Son that was both Spirit AND physical in order to create that which is PHYSICAL. Who knows WHY a Son was 'created' for the purpose. What we DO KNOW is that it took place. Creation was accomplished BY God through Christ. God is the HEAD of Christ as Christ is the HEAD of man. Christ was created FOR God and man was created FOR Christ. And Satan was NOT going to have 'the Son' being ABOVE himself. Just like Cain wasn't going to have a YOUNGER brother receive MORE honor than himself. Just like the hand of Ishmael has ALWAYS been against his younger brother Isaac. As I previously stated, the example is offered over and over throughout the Bible: the elder being envious and jealous of the younger.

And think about it. In Jewish custom, the estate of the Father is always given to the ELDEST Son. How would an ELDER son deal with a 'break' in this custom? What would the elder son's reaction be if the father broke the custom and gave his inheritance to the YOUNGER son? One can only imagine. But this is what happened in heaven that led to Satan's revolt. At least it is MY belief that this happened. And I believe that the evidence supports my belief. And not ONLY the evidence, what what has been revealed to me in understanding. I didn't just, "make it up".

And Satan started infiltrating the 'churches' from the moment of their conception. He began 'setting himself up as god' in the temples and 'churches' of men thousands of years ago. Leading men to follow HIM instead of God or His Son. Setting things up so that when he manifests himself in the flesh, the WORLD will be WAITING to accept him AS God or AS the Son. And that is WHY 'trinity' was introduced. So when Satan manifests himself as Christ, the world will be believe that he is GOD. For that is what 'trinity' teaches: Christ IS God. When in FACT, Christ is NOT God, but the Son of God. But in order to prepare the majority of this world for his arrival, it was necessary to teach men to believe that the Son IS God. That way Satan can CLAIM to be Christ upon his manifestation and the world will believe HIS IS GOD.

And that is what has led to this thread: What if we have ALL been duped into a false belief system DESIGNED by Satan instead of God? For the time is coming when this Earth is going to be destroyed and EVERY inhabitant upon it. And God is NOT going to destroy the righteous along with the unrighteous. NEVER has before and there is no reason to believe He is going to change His method.

So that means that the WORLD, (all of it's inhabitants) are going to be followers of something 'other than the truth' when it's time for destruction. If we are getting close, then that means that there are VERY FEW left that are following in TRUTH. The REST of us are following 'something else'.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[Imagican]

You know washington was not christian dont you...I think your interpretation is off....but I know your view of the earthly reign of Christ is off.

This country was NOT formed upon Christian principles. It was formed by a group of Masons who wanted FREEDOM to worship their OWN god in whatever manner they chose. They made it possible for a NATION to worship ANY gods in whatever manner they deemed fit. If anything, they formed this nation to DESTROY the TRUE God and usher in the worship of OTHER gods.

Constantine was NOT a 'Christian' in any way, shape or FORM. He was raised to be a ruthless Emperor and that is exactly what he was throughout the entire time of his being Emperor. He was a RUTHLESS murderer and his ushering in of his NEW religion was PURELY political. He didn't care a BIT about it other than his belief that it could be used to strengthen his Empire.

George Washington was a FREE MASON. While they often CLAIM to be 'Christians', if one does but a cursory study of what is KNOWN about their agenda, it is CLEAR that they are NOT followers of God or His Son. They are basically what are know as Luciferians. They believe that Lucifer is the LIGHT bringer or one who Enlightens.

Free Masons. Get it? FREE BUILDERS. Free from the bonds of the KNOWN God. Building a NEW 'world order'. And that is who FORMED America. FREE MASONS. And TRUST me folks, the fairy tales you were taught in public schools couldn't have been FURTHER from the TRUTH. They were designed by the very people that made themselves out to be HEROES instead of the ruthless manipulators they truly were. Read some of the TRUE evidence of their lives and it becomes perfectly clear that the stories school children are taught are JUST THAT: stories.

So trying to laud Constantine or Washington as being somehow DEFENDERS of the FAITH is about like putting the wolf in the sheep's den.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[rick357]

If you can hear it Satan is Adam the first man who fell...Jesus on earth is the second man(the younger though as the word he was first)
All men have their life either by Adam or shared with christ as adam is crucified in him.

Read the descriptions of king of babylon and tyre they are adam...Jesus told those who opposed him they were children of their father the devil...adam.....Jesus spoke to Peter and said get behind me satan...adam
Since the fall Adam has worked to get back his spiritual power that he could (in his mind) oppose God....false religion....new age....psy ops....metaphysics....magic.... alchemy...mysticisim...apostate judaism & christianity
As Jesus obediance makes him the lamb....so Adams iniquity makes him the serpent....whose belly is his God and eats the dust of this earth(men and all they obtain)
He is your father after the flesh and will not sign adoption papers...he must die for you to be a son of God....when the dragon waits for the man child to be born he is trying to destroy Israel before they accept Christ for he knows when that happens his reign will end.