What if Trump wins?

[Oompa Loompa]

You’re not answering the question. How would they know who to vote for, if the will of the people is not known?

Seriously? If their state legislator is primarily Republican, who do you think they are going to vote for? Trump!

 

[Sparagmos]

Seriously? If their state legislator is primarily Republican, who do you think they are going to vote for? Trump!

Got it. So the vote would have no relation to the will of the people. Just the will of 50 people. That would be the end of democracy in our country.

 

[A_Thinker]

He still refuses to answer the question as to whether or not he is going to pack the supreme court.

Not so ... he said that he would convene a commission to make suggestions for reforming the courts.

He also said he wouldn't declare victory until after the votes are all validated. He hasn't even been sworn in and he has already broken 2 promises.

Biden hasn't declared victory ...

 

[SilverBear]

Again. I say this for a third time. If the election results are "irredeemable compromised" how on earth could anyone possibly only what the will of the people is? They cannot unless we have another election. But this country is not a true democracy, it is a representative republic. Therefore it could ind with the elected officials deciding the president.

the election isn't compromised, its a silly fantasy to say it is.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Got it. So the vote would have no relation to the will of the people. Just the will of 50 people. That would be the end of democracy in our country.

And again, if the entire election was compromised, how is "the will of the people" determined? And once again, this country is not a true democracy. Get that falsehood out of your head. It is a constitutional republic. So you are darn right it will be an end to our "democracy" and that will be a good thing because it would reaffirm the country as a representative republic.

 

[Nithavela]

And again, if the entire election was compromised, how is "the will of the people" determined? And once again, this country is not a true democracy. Get that falsehood out of your head. It is a constitutional republic.

You have yet to show that the election was even slightly compromised, much less "irredeemable".

 

[Nithavela]

And again, if the entire election was compromised, how is "the will of the people" determined? And once again, this country is not a true democracy. Get that falsehood out of your head. It is a constitutional republic. So you are darn right it will be an end to our "democracy" and that will be a good thing because it would reaffirm the country as a representative republic.

Do you know what "representative" means?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Biden hasn't declared victory ...

You are either joking, gaslighting, or have been hiding under a rock for the last 2 weeks.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

the election isn't compromised, its a silly fantasy to say it is.

How do you know it wasn't compromised? Can you prove it?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

You have yet to show that the election was even slightly compromised, much less "irredeemable".

It is not my responsibility to show the election is compromised. It is the responsibility of Trump's legal team to provide evidence to a court of law. Which is why I prefaced the conversation with a big "IF".

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Do you know what "representative" means?

It means "not a true democracy".

 

[Nithavela]

It means "not a true democracy".

But what does it mean INSTEAD of a "true democracy"?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

But what does it mean INSTEAD of a "true democracy"?

Pure Democracy, Representative Republic, Democratic Socialism…Which is the America We Want? - Sal Martingano

 

[Nithavela]

Pure Democracy, Representative Republic, Democratic Socialism…Which is the America We Want? - Sal Martingano

In your own words, please.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

In your own words, please.

Pure democracy is mob rule. Representative republic is when there is an individual who represents the mob.

By why settle for my own words? This is what the founding fathers had to say about democracy.

“Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” (1787) James Madison

“Remember, democracy never lasts long; it soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” (1814) John Adams

“An elective despotism was not the government we fought for…” (1782) Thomas Jefferson

“…that in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.” (1787) Edmond Randolph

“Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.” John Marshall

 

[Albion]

If this happens (and this is a big "IF") and it is determined by the court that Biden's victory was a result of fraud, and through the legal and Constitutional process it is determined that Trump wins reelection.

What would be your honest response? Keep in mind that Trump would be legally and constitutionally elected.

I'd be relieved that the system had worked, even with all the difficulties that this election experienced.

But if all the challenges were allowed their "day in court" and Biden still won, that would be acceptable also. Not fair, necessarily, but life would go on.

If any other scenario were to be the end result, then no, the country would be in real trouble.

 

[Nithavela]

Pure democracy is mob rule. Representative republic is when there is an individual who represents the mob.

So.. would a dictatorship be a representative republic? After all, there is a dictator who represents the "mob"?

 

[Sparagmos]

And again, if the entire election was compromised, how is "the will of the people" determined? And once again, this country is not a true democracy. Get that falsehood out of your head. It is a constitutional republic. So you are darn right it will be an end to our "democracy" and that will be a good thing because it would reaffirm the country as a representative republic.

A representative republic is a TYPE of democracy.

If the entire election was compromised, and our representatives did not know the will of the people in their state, it would be necessary to have a new election. But that’s not going to happen. No states are claiming their election was compromised. All states are reporting confidence in the published results, including Republican led Georgia and Arizona.

Going back to republics, we are not a republic if the elected representatives do not endeavor to represent the will of the people.

 

[A_Thinker]

And again, if the entire election was compromised, how is "the will of the people" determined? And once again, this country is not a true democracy. Get that falsehood out of your head. It is a constitutional republic. So you are darn right it will be an end to our "democracy" and that will be a good thing because it would reaffirm the country as a representative republic.

So ... you are willing to sellout on the idea of our country operating according to any democratic principals ... just for Trump ?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So.. would a dictatorship be a representative republic? After all, there is a dictator who represents the "mob"?

Legal definition of a republic:

That form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens. A political unit or "state," independent of its form of government.

Source: Republic (government)

Legal definition of a dictatorship

dic•ta•tor•ship
(dɪkˈteɪ tərˌʃɪp, ˈdɪk teɪ-)

n.
1. a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator.
2. absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control.
3. the office or position held by a dictator.

Source: dictatorship

So to answer your question the difference between a republic and a dictatorship is the level of authority the representative has over those he/she is representing. That is at least how I understand it from the definitions. But I could be wrong.