Is someone rewriting my quotes ? Are you not getting what I’ve been saying ? Or are you not reading my replies correctly nor not understanding what I’ve been saying …. Is CF AI deliberately creating strife ?
I'm meaning it as in like, 2nd person plural address, which is still "you" as in, pretribulationists in general which give the rationale that God won't let believers go through persecution because He loves them too much.
I consider the idea not fitting scripture as God loves the persecuted and martyred quite a bit.
Now your justifying why god allows martyrdoms to grow the church? …are there not better ways to grow a church ?
Doesn't seem logical, but it seems to work throughout history and still does today. Underground churches thrive and grow in the places where Christianity is persecuted the most.
We follow a crucified Messiah and He is our example.
The church in Iran? I’ve never been to Iran why would I believe a church in iran exist and is growing because of persecution ?
Iran has world’s ‘fastest-growing church,’ despite no buildings - and it's mostly led by women: documentary
So it took Stephen martyrdom for Paul’s conversion?
It may have. I don't think Stephen's martyrdom was in vain it served a purpose and one of those purposes may have been planting a seed in Saul that eventually grew into his conversion. Saul is mentioned at the stoning of Stephen for a reason biblically.
I don't see mention of Sodom, fire or Brimstone in Zechariah 5, and only the mention of Shinar could be connected to Babylon but that's more specifically tower of Babel or historical Babylon.
No need for fire and brimstone as it was for Sodom and Gomorrah… but as god destroy those cities … through his wrath and his judgement by miracles from Heaven she too will fall not by the hands of men
But Revelation 17 says the 10 kings do it.
Good try but no…
Yes correct …satan wanted to eat her child not send a flood after the manchild
Herod did send a flood to kill all the babies in Bethlehem so that testifies it is not Jesus
Notice the time frame? It takes place when Israel flees to the wilderness for 1260 same time frame when the 2 witnesses come ?
Th flood is sent after the woman, not after a manchild, so no it's not the 144k.
Not yet …
I ask you why there is rejoicing in rev 11:15
After the 7 trumpets
I did not get an answer
But I will tell you anyway
It’s because mystery Babylon has finally lost its powers to rule and reign …
She who rode the beast for so long and has created prostitutes through the wine of her fornication has finally come to an end …
So you believe Jesus comes to rule and reign for ever and ever.. and first act, is give the world back to Satan?
Because Revelation 13:2 it is Satan that gives the power and authority to the beast. That means Satan has power and authority himself.
If Jesus took it away, he can't give it to the beast.
Satan has power and authority now, until the consummation.
True but that don’t mean he started them…he was told by Jesus to send the revelation to them …
The point is it's not a hard line dispensationalist thing of "apostles to the Jews" and "apostle to the gentiles" they were apostles of Christ and all had the same great commission. They sent Paul and Barnabas first, but over time, John, Peter, the other apostles all planted and oversaw churches in gentile lands.
So where is the rapture event described by Paul in the old scriptures?
I think I showed you a few of them before
Zechariah 9:
14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
15 The Lord of hosts shall defend them; and they shall devour, and subdue with sling stones; and they shall drink, and make a noise as through wine; and they shall be filled like bowls, and as the corners of the altar.
16 And the Lord their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.
Jesus makes reference to this in Matthew 24 (even describing his second coming as going forth like lightning), and Paul saw it and referred to it in 1 Thessalonians 4 as well, particularly the catching up into the air referring to the being lifted up as an ensign upon the land. Note that when Jesus said the Son of Man would do these things, it was a claim to be the Lord God.
Isaiah 26
18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
So there we have a time of troubles/birth pains, then the resurrection, followed by Isaiah inviting people to hide from the indignation of God, and the final verse there actually sounds a bit like the 2nd vial doesn't it? So it definitely depicts resurrection before the wrath of God, and an invitation to take refuge.. where?
I'd argue heaven, post trib would say something silly like we'll be taken to the temple in Jerusalem where we're all supposed to cram into an earthly building or something.
But definitely in this scripture the wrath of God comes AFTER the Lord comes out of His place, and the resurrection takes place before the indignation.
No man has the right to stone another …
He that is without sin let him cast the first stone …
They were old testament practicing Jews, stoning was the punishment given by the law of Moses for a false prophet who taught people against the word of God. If Paul had been teaching contrary to the Word of God, they'd be obeying the law of Moses in stoning him.
That is why it is crucial that Paul's doctrines CAN be found in the old testament.
Seeing the Old Testament as Paul saw it can be enlightening.
The pretrib (with no poof) may not be for them …they don’t believe in the truth ….it’s only for the believers who believe first … the first fruits of Christ
The bible says those that pierced Him will look on Him in the clouds and mourn, that is when they repent. Not after reading the gospels in the bible after the rapture That's nowhere in scripture.
Sure enough, Revelation 7 after the 6th seal are when the first fruits appear.
I believe that is when they are converted, where unbelievers say hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the Lamb, the 144,000 repent.
Author of the Left Behind series.
They took saline probably lol
Probably not, or they'd have been very strict about isolation being unvaccinated. The president is 80 years old. They wouldn't let him be going around unvaxxed. The fact that he's gotten covid multiple times does show that the vaccine doesn't work very well anymore, it was made using the spike protein of the first "alpha" variant, and that's the protein that mutates the most in the virus. It was poorly thought out. I only have a bs and only have 1 immunology class under my belt and I can say that immunizing against 1 protein in an RNA virus was doomed to become obsolete quickly. They needed to use multiple proteins for redundancy (less likely that random mutations will happen to multiple proteins at once), preferably a highly conserved protein that's common between all coronaviruses. Also from that one class, and having autoimmunity myself.. I can tell you that "vaccinating" by sending genetic code to your cells to make viral proteins that they express on their surface is kind of a bad idea because it trains your immune cells in how to attack your own cells, and there's heightened risk of developing autoimmunity. Something the European Medicine's Agency noted in their evaluation of Pfizer's vaccine in their leaked documents that I read... and.. you know the Myocarditis and Pericarditis? Well... they find elevated levels of autoantibodies in the people who develop those side effects, likely it's because you've trained the immune system to attack muscle tissue where the vaccine was injected... and the heart is .. muscle tissue.
It is ultimately a pretty bad idea and poor immunology.. but they thought you could make vaccines faster that way, since you just have to change the genetic code as need arises, and the vaccine wouldn't contain any proteins for people to have allergic reactions to.... but people developed allergic reactions anyway so.. yeah.. I'd consider it a failed experiment.
For evil? Like how? Any ideas?
well, you're sending genetic instructions to people's bodies for them to produce a protein in their cells
in this case it was to send a code to produce a viral protein hoping to generate an immune response but you could send instructions to program cells to produce all kinds of proteins. You could use mRNA "vaccines" for instance to program cells to produce estrogens or testosterone to "convert" children's genders, you could inject mRNA in soldiers to have them produce enzymes and hormones to make them more aggressive, more muscular, "super soldier' kind of modifications
There's a lot you can do when you can just send genetic instructions to a person's body with a needle.