What if Mary appeared to you? [MOVED TO MARIOLOGY]

[laconicstudent]

Elijah is dead. Moses is dead. Mary, the mother of Jesus, is dead. All of the apostles are dead.

They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead.

Hmmmmm

Yep, they look awfully dead.

 

[GigageiTsula]

That is a painting. Is what it depicts biblical?

 

[laconicstudent]

That is a painting. Is what it depicts biblical?

???

Yes.... Its called "The Transfiguration". It happened in Matthew 17......


1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us[a] make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.” 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”
10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first[b] and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

 

[GigageiTsula]

I'm sorry. I'm extremely sleepy and not thinking clearly. I really should go to bed.

 

[laconicstudent]

I'm sorry. I'm extremely sleepy and not thinking clearly. I really should go to bed.

Haha yeah, its ok, I know how that feels.

 

[GigageiTsula]

Thank you for your understanding. It is appreciated. It has been a very long day for me.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Elijah is dead. Moses is dead. Mary, the mother of Jesus, is dead. All of the apostles are dead.

They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead.

Dead = "not on earth"?

Does that make St. Michael dead?

Does that make Jesus dead?

I think your definition needs work.

 

[MamaZ]

Dead = "not on earth"?

Does that make St. Michael dead?

Does that make Jesus dead?

I think your definition needs work.

ST Michael? Jesus was dead then He rose from the dead. Do you not believe this?

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

The issue was that someone defined "dead" as being "not on earth". Though, assumably going to the moon or Mars would not mean they were dead while away from earth. Earth, I suppose, here means "the material universe".

ST Michael?

St. Michael the Archangel is not on earth but in Heaven, does that make him alive or dead?

Jesus was dead then He rose from the dead. Do you not believe this?

It was said that people in Heaven are dead. Jesus is in Heaven, therefore He is dead. It wasn't my definition, I am simply using the definition which was proposed by "AniGequoti": "They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead."

Therefore the angels and Christ Himself are dead.

Or should there instead be a different definition of "dead"?

 

[Rick Otto]

Dead = "not on earth"?

Does that make St. Michael dead?

Does that make Jesus dead?

I think your definition needs work.

Naw, they dead now.
Your definition doesn't work at all.

 

[Rick Otto]

The issue was that someone defined "dead" as being "not on earth". Though, assumably going to the moon or Mars would not mean they were dead while away from earth. Earth, I suppose, here means "the material universe".



St. Michael the Archangel is not on earth but in Heaven, does that make him alive or dead?



It was said that people in Heaven are dead. Jesus is in Heaven, therefore He is dead. It wasn't my definition, I am simply using the definition which was proposed by "AniGequoti": "They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead."

Therefore the angels and Christ Himself are dead.

Or should there instead be a different definition of "dead"?

No, there should be no prayer to saints, & Jesus resurrected, remember?

 

[MamaZ]

The issue was that someone defined "dead" as being "not on earth". Though, assumably going to the moon or Mars would not mean they were dead while away from earth. Earth, I suppose, here means "the material universe".



St. Michael the Archangel is not on earth but in Heaven, does that make him alive or dead?

Michael is an angle not a human being that died. He never had flesh. So how did Michael get deemed a saint?

It was said that people in Heaven are dead. Jesus is in Heaven, therefore He is dead. It wasn't my definition, I am simply using the definition which was proposed by "AniGequoti": "They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead."

Jesus rose from the dead if you remember.


Therefore the angels and Christ Himself are dead.

Or should there instead be a different definition of "dead"?

Was Michael ever alive in a fleshy body to die?

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

St. Michael the Archangel is not on earth but in Heaven, does that make him alive or dead?

Michael is an angle not a human being that died. He never had flesh. So how did Michael get deemed a saint?

"Saint" comes from the Latin word "sanctus", meaning "holy". "Holy" means "belonging to God", "set apart for God". The good angels are holy and thus they are called "saints".

While the Bible refers to "saints" in the Old Testament and the New, when we formally call someone a "saint", we are referring to the fact that we know they are in Heaven and thus certainly belong forever to God.

It was said that people in Heaven are dead. Jesus is in Heaven, therefore He is dead. It wasn't my definition, I am simply using the definition which was proposed by "AniGequoti": "They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead."

Jesus rose from the dead if you remember.

According to AniGequoti, if you aren't on earth, you are dead. Therefore, Jesus rose from the dead and was alive again but when he ascended into heaven, he died.

the body without the spirit is dead

What I am getting at is that this is a failed definition of "dead". The correct definition of "death" is "the separation of body and soul". The soul is what makes the body alive. When we die, as a whole we can be said to be "dead" and our bodies are most certain dead because our souls are not in them. But our souls are alive if we are with God. Hell is called "the second death" because it is a separation from God, who is Life itself. After the Resurrection of the Body, our bodies will be glorified and join our souls in Heaven. For those in hell, their bodies have still become incorruptible but "glorified" would not be the proper term.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot possess the kingdom of God: neither shall corruption possess incorruption.

Behold, I tell you a mystery. We shall all indeed rise again: but we shall not all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall rise again incorruptible: and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption; and this mortal must put on immortality. And when this mortal hath put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?

So those in Heaven are dead in the sense that they are still separated body and soul but they are not dead in the sense that they are more alive than we are because they are in the Presence of He who is Life Itself.

Angels have neither bodies nor souls, so they cannot be said to be dead at any point (though the devils are spiritually dead). Christ is in Heaven, Body and Soul, and so certainly is alive. The same is true for Enoch, Elijah, Moses and Mary, who have both body and soul together in Heaven. At the Resurrection, we shall all be together body and soul and in no sense could we be said to be dead.

This Protestant website has a good Biblical exposition showing how death is defined in Scripture as a separation and not as extinction (though I'm obviously not giving my adherence to other pages on the site, including the anti-Catholic section ). This is also how it can be said that Christ died even though, as God, He is Life itself.

 

[Uphill Battle]

what a flawed initial premise.

it asked "what if Mary appeared to you." And then goes on to say "I'd rebuke it in Jesus's name." in other words, it's NOT Mary, something demonic.


which is it? you can't have it both ways.

as to the answer to the question, if Mary appeared to me (this is supposing that it truly IS Mary, not some diabolical mindgame) Then I'd have to critically examine my beliefs on the matter of Mary.

however, this whole thread was started for troll purposes, it wasn't asked in a way that leads to any other conclusion that the OP wanted in the first place, to call everything Marian demonic.

I'm suprised the thread has lasted this long.

 

[Dorothea]

I would freak out and would test the apparition. As I'm not worthy of a visit from His Mother.

 

[Dorothea]

But don't forget, "The dead in Christ" shall rise first upon his return.

Their bodies, yes. Their souls are already with Christ, glorifying Him, especially His Mother.

 

[Dorothea]

Elijah is dead. Moses is dead. Mary, the mother of Jesus, is dead. All of the apostles are dead.

They are no longer alive on this earth, therefore, they are dead.

So Christ died on the cross and resurrected for nothing? What about those He released from the tombs (they were awaiting His Incarnation, death and resurrection) who were seen by townspeople? How could they be "dead?" First off, no soul is dead except those who reject Christ, which will happen at HIs Second Coming. Yes, even they will receive a new body at the general resurrection, but they will not be with Him because of their rejection of Him. So, where are the souls who have died since His resurrection? Why, with Him (those who are faithful servants of His) of course. So, yes, all His Saints are alive. Their bodies will be reunited with their souls at the Second Coming. What makes us alive are our souls.

 

[Dorothea]

Naw, they dead now.
Your definition doesn't work at all.

If Jesus is dead, then we're all lost.

 

[razeontherock]

Don't mean to derail the thread, but what is the position on seeking / wanting a personal appearance? (Whether from Mary, Jesus, or any other Saint?)

 

[Amylisa]

I don't think anyone should seek an appearance. But I do believe God has them happen at times for His own purposes.

The angel appeared to Zacharias in the Temple to announce that John the Baptist would be born, and he didn't believe. God was not pleased!

If any being appeared to me, I would first ask Jesus' protection and plead His holy Blood upon myself and the place I was in. I would trust that He would protect me if needed. He is our protection, not our own understanding.