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Our 1844 message however is specific to Christ moving into the final phase of ministry within the MHP. This was not taking place. DL's explanation to me is assuredly a first. If his statement is correct (not saying that it isn't), than Christ upon His ascension was essentially given the right to being ministry as our High Priest. This ministry would begin in the Holy Place. Not the Most Holy Place.

"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" (Hebrews 1:3 KJV)

This text does not say He returned to the Holy Place, but that He "sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high." He had to be in the Most Holy Place in order to do that, as that is where the presence of God was in relation to the sanctuary. Keep in mind that God's presence is what made the place the holiest of all.

I realize that in a previous post you said the throne of God is movable, and are using this belief as a basis to suggest that He moved His throne into the Holy Place; however, unless you can prove this from the Bible, you have no basis to support such an idea. In other words, it's merely a theory, but not a fact. Yet, it is a fact that the Bible tells us that Jesus sat down on the right hand of the Father after purging our sins.

Keep in mind that Christ's ministry is better than that of the earthly ministry that was carried out by holy men. He didn't have to follow every detail of the earthly high priest's actions, because He does not have their limitations.

As far as I am concerned, He only needed to enter the Most Holy Place once, and did not have to return to the Holy Place. In the words, I believe that even by remaining in the Most Holy Place, He could still minister on our behalf.

Can you prove from the Bible that Jesus, being the Son of God, had to return to the Holy Place to minister for us, even after entering the Most Holy Place for us?
 
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"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" (Hebrews 1:3 KJV)

This text does not say He returned to the Holy Place, but that He "sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high." He had to be in the Most Holy Place in order to do that, as that is where the presence of God was in relation to the sanctuary. Keep in mind that God's presence is what made the place the holiest of all. And "purged" is past tense, as I have mentioned before. It would seem that saying He returned to the Holy Place would be the same as denying this purging of sin took place.

I realize that in a previous post you said the throne of God is movable, and are using this belief as a basis to suggest that He moved His throne into the Holy Place; however, unless you can prove this from the Bible, you have no basis to support such an idea. In other words, it's merely a theory, but not a fact. Yet, it is a fact that the Bible tells us that Jesus sat down on the right hand of the Father after purging our sins.

Keep in mind that Christ's ministry is better than that of the earthly ministry that was carried out by holy men. He didn't have to follow every detail of the earthly high priest's actions, because He does not have their limitations.

As far as I am concerned, He only needed to enter the Most Holy Place once, and did not have to return to the Holy Place. In the words, I believe that even by remaining in the Most Holy Place, He could still minister on our behalf.

Can you prove from the Bible that Jesus, being the Son of God, had to return to the Holy Place to minister for us, even after entering the Most Holy Place?

I pretty sure that I explained that the verse is a statement proclaiming Christ's authority. I don't read that as Christ literally taking a seat. As far as scripture that puts Christ in the holy place, I've explained that the texts in Hebrews accomplish that. Parallel that with the vision John saw of Christ walking among 7 candlesticks, which I believe were the anti-type of the menorah in the earthly sanctuary, and I do believe there is sufficient evidence for what I believe.

You are trying to make a case with the use of the word "purged", but that purging that the text is referring to is the sacrifice for sin that Christ made on the cross. Notice how the purging takes place before the ascension.

If you want to compare the earthly service to the heavenly one, as we all should since it was a shadow, than you can't skip the process which took place in the holy place. Christ ministry is better, not because He is skipping steps, but because His ministry actually pardon's us of our sins, unlike the earthly minister.

Also we have the prophecy in Daniel which states that the sanctuary would be cleansed at the end of the 2300 days. Can't forget about that :)
 
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I pretty sure that I explained that the verse is a statement proclaiming Christ's authority.

You gave a possible interpretation/implication of the text, but that doesn't mean your exegesis agrees with the intended meaning of the writer. In other words, you have not proven that the text doesn't really mean Christ literally sat down next to the Father in heaven. Unless you can prove Jesus didn't actually sit down next to the Father, you can't use this to refute the point I made in relation to it.

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As far as scripture that puts Christ in the holy place, I've explained that the texts in Hebrews accomplish that.

But Hebrews, in several ways, indicates that Jesus entered the Most Holy Place. Yet, not once, as far as I can see, does it say He returned to the Holy Place after entering the Most Holy Place. That appears to be a conjecture on your part.

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Parallel that with the vision John saw of Christ walking among 7 candlesticks, which I believe were the anti-type of the menorah in the earthly sanctuary, and I do believe there is sufficient evidence for what I believe.

The similarity is striking, no doubt; however, I'm not sure that this can be used as absolute proof that Jesus went back into the Holy Place after having been in the Most Holy Place. Jesus gave the meaning of the vision, stating that the candlesticks represented the "seven churches" (See Revelation 1:20). Can it be shown from Scripture that that is what the candlesticks of the Sanctuary always pointed to (the seven churches)? Can you prove that it was the intended meaning of the vision to point out that Jesus was literally ministering in the Holy Place? And if the candlesticks always typified the seven churches, then why were there ten in the temple that Solomon built (see 1 Kings 7:48-49 and 2 Chronicles 4:7)?

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You are trying to make a case with the use of the word "purged", but that purging that the text is referring to is the sacrifice for sin that Christ made on the cross. Notice how the purging takes place before the ascension.

If the purging took place before He entered the Most Holy Place, then why would He have to return to the Holy Place after having been in the Most Holy Place? Why couldn't He simply continue to Minister for us in the Most Holy Place?

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If you want to compare the earthly service to the heavenly one, as we all should since it was a shadow, than you can't skip the process which took place in the holy place.

I don't believe I am skipping anything. I'm simply saying that it doesn't seem like it would be necessary for Christ, being the Son of God and not having the limitations of the earthly high priest, to return to the Holy Place after already entering the Most Holy Place for us.
 
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There is no biblical basis for the Sanctuary Message.

Contented, it is so important to understand what your faith is all about and to understand the true message that was given to the SDA Church to give to the world. Again I want to make this perfectly clear that the world had forgotten the message. Because paganism had crept into the church YAHWEH call for a people to provide His truth.

Until I went into the Sanctuary of Elohim; then understood I their end. Psa 73:17

Thy way, O Elohim, is in the Sanctuary: who is so great a Elohim as our Elohim? Psa 77:13

Before you can understand the Investigated Judgment, you need to understand the Sanctuary of the Most High and where it is located in Heaven.

In my distress I called upon YAHWEH, and cried to my Elohim: and He did hear my voice out of His Temple, and my cry did enter into His ears. 2Sa 22:7

In my distress I called upon YAHWEH, and cried unto my Elohim: He heard my voice out of His Temple, and my cry came before Him, even into his ears. And He rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, He did fly upon the wings of the wind. Psa 18:6, 10

One thing have I desired of YAHWEH, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the House of YAHWEH all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of YAHWEH, and to enquire in His Temple. Psa 27:4

The voice of YAHWEH maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests: and in His Temple doth every one speak of His Glory. Psa 29:9

How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into Heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of Elohim: I will sit also upon the Mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North: Isa 14:12, 13

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the Holy Mountain of Elohim; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:14

And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the North, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Eze 1:4

And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the North, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. And the Glory of Elohim of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon He was, to the threshold of the House. And He called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; Eze 9:2, 3

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Dan 7:9, 10

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:2, 3

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the Heavens; A minister of the Sanctuary, and of the true Tabernacle, which Yashua pitched, and not man. For if He were on earth, He should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: (Moses Law) Who serve unto the example and shadow of Heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of Elohim when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith He, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the Mount. Heb 8:1, 2, 4 5

Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. Heb 9:1-5

And the angels, which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jud 1:6 (Most really do not truly understand this text)

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a Golden Girdle, And hath made us kings and priests unto Elohim and his Father; to Him be Glory and Dominion forever and ever. Amen. Rev 1: 6, 12, 13

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in Heaven, and One sat on the throne. And He that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. Rev 4:1-3

And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Rev 5:1

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of Elohim, and serve Him day and night in His Temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them Rev 7:14, 15

And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before Elohim out of the angel's hand. And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. Rev 8:3-5

And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the Temple of Elohim, and the altar, and them that worship therein. And the Temple of Elohim was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in His Temple the Ark of his Testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Rev 11:1, 19

And I heard a great voice out of the Temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of Elohim upon the earth. Rev 16:1

I have stated this many times that the Jews moved away from the true message, as did Seth Children that cause the flood, after the flood the Canaanites and now the SDA Church. I cannot believe that someone would not understand the Sanctuary message. The first Temple on this earth was the Garden of Eden and the sword was actually the Shekinah Glory of the Most High. We do not understand that Heaven is an enormous place that contains mansions, Yashua will build the New Jerusalem there, and the original Garden of Eden is house there to return to this earth. The Temple or Sanctuary of the Most High is located on a mountain in the North part of Heaven and Zion here on earth is not Jerusalem! Mount Moriah is Mount Zion and it was a Jebusite fortress that is where the earthly Temple was originally placed. It is located outside of the city. Jerusalem was already here on earth before the Jews it was the city of Melchisedec and He was the second earthly priest king but He was not Yashua! Yashua went from the Holy Place into the Holy of Holiest. Hebrew was not written in Greek but was translated and you must understand the meaning of this words. When I hear a response from this information then I will simply explain the Investigated Judgment without EGW or any of our books, it is Bible base as is His Temple!

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You gave a possible interpretation/implication of the text, but that doesn't mean your exegesis agrees with the intended meaning of the writer. In other words, you have not proven that the text doesn't really mean Christ literally sat down next to the Father in heaven. Unless you can prove Jesus didn't actually sit down next to the Father, you can't use this to refute the point I made in relation to it.

I disagree. If anything else, we know the the priest while ministering in the MHP wasn't seated. And again, the book of Revelation shows Jesus walking about 7 candlesticks.


But Hebrews, in several ways, indicates that Jesus entered the Most Holy Place. Yet, not once, as far as I can see, does it say He returned to the Holy Place after entering the Most Holy Place. That appears to be a conjecture on your part.

Again, the book of Hebrews does not put Christ in the MHP. Even in your responses, in regards to Hagion, you state the the text could be used to refer to the MHP. Just because it could, doesn't mean it does, this is shown when we compare the use of the word to every other instance it shows up in the book. If Hebrews is specific to state that Hagia Hagion is the MHP, why the sudden change in terminology?


The similarity is striking, no doubt; however, I'm not sure that this can be used as absolute proof that Jesus went back into the Holy Place after having been in the Most Holy Place. Jesus gave the meaning of the vision, stating that the candlesticks represented the "seven churches" (See Revelation 1:20). Can it be shown from Scripture that that is what the candlesticks of the Sanctuary always pointed to (the seven churches)? Can you prove that it was the intended meaning of the vision to point out that Jesus was literally ministering in the Holy Place?

I apologize in advance. I can't give you anymore than what I already did. The earthly was patterned after the heavenly. If the 7 candlesticks in Revelation are the 7 churches, and the original menorah that Moses build had 7 lights, I don't believe we need to look any further for an explanation as to what they were suppose to represent.

And if the candlesticks always typified the seven churches, then why were there ten in the temple that Solomon built (see 1 Kings 7:48-49 and 2 Chronicles 4:7)?

That I couldn't tell you. I could only guess. Solomon added many a thing to the temple that Christ did not give to Moses. For all I know he used 10 for extra light.

If the purging took place before He entered the Most Holy Place, then why would He have to return to the Holy Place after having been in the Most Holy Place? Why couldn't He simply continue to Minister for us in the Most Holy Place?

The purging could be a reference to atonement, which was accomplished on the cross. The process of ministering in the Holy Place, besides tending to the bread and the menorah, and burning incense, was to transfer the sins of the people to the sanctuary. Ministry in the holy place must be conducted for a season, until the time comes to cleanse it from the sins which have been transferred there.

I don't believe I am skipping anything. I'm simply saying that it doesn't seem like it would be necessary for Christ, being the Son of God and not having the limitations of the earthly high priest, to return to the Holy Place after already entering the Most Holy Place for us.

I would agree, had Christ already entered the Most Holy Place. This however would be impossible given the structure that God gave to us through Moses. Christ on earth ministered in the courtyard, type meeting anti-type in His baptism and crucifixion. His blood would have to be presented first in the holy place, for the sins of His people, before He could move into the Most Holy place, to begin the process of cleansing the sanctuary.
 
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Stryder06, you have not provided any biblical proof for the belief that the Father moved from the Most Holy Place to the Holy Place, nor have you proven that Jesus didn't remain in the Most Holy Place after ascending to the Father, nor have you proven that Jesus didn't literally sit down next to the Father in heaven. Therefore, I cannot accept your beliefs concerning this matter.
 
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Stryder06, you have not provided any biblical proof for the belief that the Father moved from the Most Holy Place to the Holy Place, nor have you proven that Jesus didn't remain in the Most Holy Place after ascending to the Father, nor have you proven that Jesus didn't literally sit down next to the Father in heaven. Therefore, I cannot accept your beliefs concerning this matter.

I wasn't out to prove anything to you. I already told you that there is a plethora of material out there, much better organized than what I have provided, that explains this matter.

The earthly service, which you appeal to to place the Father in the MHP, testifies to the location Christ would have to occupy upon His ascension. Hebrews, again, doesn't support what you say it does, given the use of the word in the text. Add to that the vision of Christ within the Holy Place, as seen by John, and the prophecy of the 2300 days which had to expire before the sanctuary would be cleansed, and there is more than enough evidence to support my beliefs.

Either way, I'm sure that if you're searching for the truth with all of your heart, asking God to lead you in your understanding, you'll be fine.
 
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I wasn't out to prove anything to you. I already told you that there is a plethora of material out there, much better organized than what I have provided, that explains this matter.

The earthly service, which you appeal to to place the Father in the MHP, testifies to the location Christ would have to occupy upon His ascension. Hebrews, again, doesn't support what you say it does, given the use of the word in the text. Add to that the vision of Christ within the Holy Place, as seen by John, and the prophecy of the 2300 days which had to expire before the sanctuary would be cleansed, and there is more than enough evidence to support my beliefs.

Either way, I'm sure that if you're searching for the truth with all of your heart, asking God to lead you in your understanding, you'll be fine.

It's important for you to understand that I never denied the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel. The issue I have is with some of the things you have said, which you have not provided absolute biblical proof for. I already noted those things in my previous response to you.
 
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cesty:

The first thing we must do in order to understand the IJ is to look at what the Bible gives us leading up to that point. I also provided to the discussion that Heaven is an extremely large place. I do agree with Stryder06 that the Heavenly Father throne is movable. Here are some proofs:

And Elohim said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:26

Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. Gen 11:7

And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Eze 1:4

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. Dan 7:9

We appear to get hung up on certain points that really do not appear to the serve the purpose of what Elohim is providing for us. Do we actually believe that the Father is sitting down in one place all the time? He is a Creator and a Designer of the universe that He gave to His Son to speak and the Holy Spirit brought forth. We have a Son who respects His Father and the Father His Son but They along with the Holy Spirit all equal. Here is where the word One means in the Hebrew unity like the husband and the wife which was created for us to understand Them!


The IJ is not hard because man does the same thing as His Makers but we are not perfect because of sin. This is very simple Satan the highest angel rebelled against the Father. Satan was allowed time to return with the aid of the Holy Spirit, he refused. Marshall Law is first recorded in Heaven and eventually the first trial of the universe was called. Satan stood and accused the Father of injustice and unfairness. He refused to obey the Law of Elohim and it was Yashua that did the first atonement act standing between Satan and His Father. He allowed Satan and his angels to lived, but they were so full of it they wanted to war to take over Heaven as it was their right.

What most of us really do not understand is that numerous worlds were already created when the final problem had been decided. Satan had been respected by these beings and YAHWEH'S name had been marred along with His principle of justice and equality. When Satan was kicked out of Heaven the earth was not made and what is written in Rev 12 should actual mean a dark land or territory that is where they were allowed to live. I know many will not accept this but this is the truth. Jude 1:6 provides this as well as Rev 20:1-3 and the word bottomless pit is outer space. Satan has been the only one who has been allowed to move about the universe. The other angels are allowed limited time here but not all. They all will be release soon with the beast/man and we all cannot even imagine what they will do at that time to the wicked as the Bible describe in Rev Chapter nine that's why there are three woes given in Rev 8:13 that deals with their arrival here on earth.

The earth is created, man falls and must be redeemed and Yashua has two things He must now do. He must vindicate His Father to all of the created beings that did not fall and to redeem mankind who did fall back to the Father.

We have an antitype of judgment here on earth but it is not just or fair. However it is structured just like its Originator the Father. The Sanctuary function was made before the foundation of this world and one of it services was to hold the universe court room section starting with Satan. If there is a court room there has to be the following:

Judge the Father,

Prosecutor which is the Law,

Defender's Lawyer is Yashua

The defendant is mankind

Clerk the angel with the writer's inkhorn,

The Bailiff is the Holy Spirit,

The Jury is the Twenty four elders that came out of the grave after the resurrection of Yashua,
(By the way you must be judged by your peers)

The witnesses are the rest of the multitude along with Enoch, Elijah and Moses who are represented in the court room.

The court room is the Holiest of Holy which is in the Sanctuary. Now let me provide this to all that Satan has alway wanted to represent this earth claiming that it is his, but it is not! He do not even own the place where he lived and rule now somewhere out in the universe. He was permitted this place temporarily until justice is served! If you also notice that he and only he appears in certain important places and events and not any of his angels! The most important event is found in Job 1:6, 7; 2:1, 2 that again is really over looked and not understood! Now did Satan talk to the Father or the Son, I say the Son because the Son throughout the OT stands in the place of His Father. Yes, He uses the Father's name as I uses my mother's name as her Power of Attorney. We make things hard when they are very simple.

Returning to Satan disguised in the crowd of unfallen beings who came on the given Feast day to present themselves before the Father. Satan tried to get into Heaven but was met at the gate by the Son who identify who he really was and then gave Satan a challenge since he thought he own the earth. He also turned him away from the invitation of coming before His Father which Satan could not do!

Now finally the IJ is like here on earth, you first investigate, gather the information and then the defendant is put on trial. The difference in Heaven is those who are saved by sealing them starts with Adam and Eve (the actual rider on the white horse) until the Time of Trouble has come to an end. All the righteous are place in the Book of Life versus the book of the dead known by the Egyptians! Is there in execution oh yes Rev 22:12 and this all begin before 1844! The first phase begins as the receiver of prayers taken by the Holy Spirit of the righteous and the other official work in the first apartment. (Heb 9:2) The Bible also indicated the second apartment behind the veil. (Heb 9:3-5). Paul was simply showing the differences and the similarities of the earthly and the Heavenly Sanctuary. Heb 9:8, 11 shows clearly in 1844 along with Dan 8:14; 9:17-27. What the Church has fail to understand fully that the Day of Atonement was not nailed to the cross of Yashua. The Law of Moses was which the rituals or ceremonies were done on all of the Feast day of YAHWEH. The pioneer followed the precise requirements that were passed to the disciples to us today. This is the IJ that needs to be fully understood by the people of Elohim today!!!! (Luke 24:25-27)

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It's important for you to understand that I never denied the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel. The issue I have is with some of the things you have said, which you have not provided absolute biblical proof for. I already noted those things in my previous response to you.

I apologize if my explanations didn't work for you. I believe my arguments are sound, but that doesn't mean they'll work for you, and that is what it is. Suffice it to say, how do you explain the 2300 day prophecy, along with Christ walking among the candlesticks in Revelation, if Christ immediately went into the MHP to being His final phase of ministry, at His ascension?
 
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I apologize if my explanations didn't work for you. I believe my arguments are sound, but that doesn't mean they'll work for you, and that is what it is. Suffice it to say, how do you explain the 2300 day prophecy, along with Christ walking among the candlesticks in Revelation, if Christ immediately went into the MHP to being His final phase of ministry, at His ascension?

I notice that alot, that people will dismiss our understanding of prophetic events but not offer an alternative...
 
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I notice that alot, that people will dismiss our understanding of prophetic events but not offer an alternative...

Revelation was written in a code we don't know, to answer questions we don't know, to Christian churches somewhere. It can be used as a good story full of imagery showing how God will triumph in the end.


It was not written, or put in the Canon, as a good book to establish doctrine with.
 
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Revelation was written in a code we don't know, to answer questions we don't know, to Christian churches somewhere. It can be used as a good story full of imagery showing how God will triumph in the end.


It was not written, or put in the Canon, as a good book to establish doctrine with.

You can't be serious...

Rev 1:1-3
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
 
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I believe this: Deuteronomy 1815 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.

I have two words for you.... Ellen White.

Or are you waiting for another to come along.... :confused:
 
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Revelation was written in a code we don't know, to answer questions we don't know, to Christian churches somewhere. It can be used as a good story full of imagery showing how God will triumph in the end.


It was not written, or put in the Canon, as a good book to establish doctrine with.

That's dangerous logic my brother. Revelation actually expounds upon the words God gave to Daniel. The difference is that Daniel was told to "seal up" his book, whereas John was told "do not seal up the words" of his book. Revelation was written in code, but we have 65 additional books plus history that work as the cipher.
 
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