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Featured What holidays do you think should be forbidden for a Christian to participate in?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Oct 25, 2017.

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  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    To all:

    Now, if a holiday called, "Holy-Day" swept the nation across cities of America that celebrated primarily all things heavenly and good, where people dressed up as angels, prophets of God, and wore primarily white, and they displayed clouds, angels, and happy images, and they helped the poor, and give out healthy and good things on this day, then that would be totally different. It would be a totally different holiday than the dark themed holiday that we have come to know as Halloween. For if you were to tell someone that Halloween was primarily a Heavenly themed holiday like the holiday I described to you, they would think you were nuts. Most people know that Halloween is about the display of witches, death, zombies, devils, murderers, etc. For you cannot go into a grocery store (during the time of Halloween) without seeing these things. Fear also plays an important part in Halloween, as well. To deny this is to simply deny reality.
     
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  2. Trumpeter2

    Trumpeter2 Servant of God and His Christ

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    No, what the Holy Spirit is saying is

    “My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.

    Not “you’re not one of the sheep”

    You’ve twisted it around.

    And it’s for those who have ears to hear including me.

    The Lord knows our hearts.
     
  3. Hammster

    Hammster I am the wretch in the song. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Okie dokie.
     
  4. Greg Logan

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    The answer is simple - whichever the Spirit of God prohibits you from doing. So ask - and you shall receive. On the surface - I don't have a problem with "celebrating" depending on what you mean by that - any holiday. Most of them are simply parties - sort of like the Jewish festivals - get together - drink a lot of spirits and wine - eat good food (Deut14:26). A party!
     
  5. SeventyOne

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    Don't show that verse to legalists. Any fun in this world is loving the world, don't you know?

    Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
     
  6. Greg Logan

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    Like that text...:amen:???

    Yeah - I have never heard a sermon preached on it yet...:oldthumbsup:!!!
     
  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    While the secular versions of Christmas and Easter are debatable as being seriously wrong to God, I believe God will lead a Christian to eventually either:

    (a) Celebrate the Christian version of Christmas and Easter.
    (b) Forsake them all together.​

    As for Halloween:

    I believe no Christian who truly is seeking to follow after Jesus Christ and to imitate Him would want to celebrate Halloween. Why? Because:

    #1. Jesus did not celebrate secular or wordly pagan holidays.
    #2. Halloween is primarily a dark themed holiday that focuses on the display of certain sins like witchcraft, satanism, the occult, the love of death, murder, fear of evil things, etc.
    #3. Halloween is a time not only when people dress up as sinful things or display sinful things in their homes or in their work place, but it is a time when they go to haunted houses to be scared from hideous things that are in the realm of demons. They also watch a lot of horror movies during this time, as well. Halloween parties include homes looking like a haunted house (Which is demonic) and food that looks like body parts (i.e. a glorification or love of death). People who say that one can partake in Halloween in a good way are only tricking themselves into thinking Halloween is a treat for their soul. But it is not a good treat for their soul. Whether they dress up as an angel and refrain from haunted houses, and in watching horror movies, if they partake in "tricker treating" with their kids, they are endorsing those around them that are dressing in an evil way because the holiday is predominantly known for celebrating these things. In other words, it would be like having a porn holiday where adults dressed up as their favorite porn star or scantifly clad super model whereby they knocked on doors to either receive erotic looking candy or porn videos. Could a Christian participate in this holiday and throw away the videos and just eat the candy? I would say... "no." because it is a bad testimony. For it shows that you do not have a problem with porn. The same is true with Halloween. When you partake in Halloween, you are showing that you do not have a problem with witchcraft, murder, fear of evil things, the love of death, etc.
    #4. Scripture says we are to avoid having any appearance of evil. Scripture also says we are to lead every thought captive to Christ. Scripture says we are to think on good things.​

    As for St. Patrick's Day:

    It sounds like something from the Catholic church. So I would not celebrate it because I am not Catholic.

    As for Valentine's Day:

    I have no problem in giving something to my wife on this day to say that I love her. It is focused on love and hearts, etc.

    As for Thanksgiving:

    This is probably my favorite secular holiday because it is a time of giving thanks to God for what we have over a meal with family. The focus or theme is about pilgrims making peace with indians. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. The only thing I would caution during this holiday is to not over eat; And instead, to focus on connecting and loving the family.

    As for alcohol and partying:

    Well, I do not see that exactly as a Christian thing. I believe certain Christians can drink socially (a glass with a meal) whereby their conscience does not condemn themselves. For me personally, I know too much about alcohol and what it does to a body and to a person's mind. I know alcohol kills people every day. So for me, I cannot drink alcohol because of the knowledge that I have about it. My conscience would condemn me (even though I realize that other Christians can legally drink it and be okay with God). But partying? That leads to drunkenness; And God says no drunkard will inherit the Kingdom of God.
     
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  8. Bible Highlighter

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    "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." (Romans 14:17).
     
  9. Phil 1:21

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    Halloween is so yesterday. Can we move onto why Christmas is evil? Thanks. ;)
     
  10. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    This thread is about the discussion of all holidays.
     
  11. Greg Logan

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    With respect, you are completely mis-representing the sense of that passage.

    God called His people to party - as Deut14:26 - and many other texts - clearly teach.
     
  12. SeventyOne

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    Yea, that's discussing not causing others to stumble should our enjoying our freedom to eat and drink cause one who thinks such things are a sin to do the same. Those are the people Paul describes as the 'weak in faith' in Romans 14:1.

    The very same passage goes on to state that nothing is unclean in itself, but to one who thinks something is unclean, to them it is unclean (like holidays). It's a sign of still being weak in their faith.
     
  13. Greg Logan

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    Jason - First - I do appreciate that you are, as I perceive, genuine and sincere in wanting the things of God - and to seek after God. I support you in that aspect.

    However, the above, my God [have mercy on us!] - that is a LOT of very fleshly, humanistic reasoning.... reminds of the Scholastics - going on and on and on ad nauseum - without providing really any substance.

    You keep focusing on the word "celebrate". What does that even mean???? Who "celebrates" Halloween - what does that even mean?? Putting on some silly costume and make-up - is that "celebrating"???? Hanging out with a bunch of other people in such silly costumes.... why does that even hit the radar - when we have such serious issues to deal with - children not having food - not having medical care - our environment - that God created for us - being destroyed by a small class of profiteers who have usurped the American people's protections through its government, etc., etc. This sort of focus is not only straining at a gnat - there is no gnat to strain at.

    Agape

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    Celebrate
    a :to honor (an occasion, such as a holiday) especially by solemn ceremonies or by refraining from ordinary business
    • The nation celebrates Memorial Day.
    b :to mark (something, such as an anniversary) by festivities or other deviation from routine
    • celebrated their 25th anniversary
     
  15. Greg Logan

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    Is that what you think the word means? Who decides?

    More important - do you really think people "celebrate" (whatever that means) ANY of these holidays - or do they, as I have suggested merely hang-out and have fun - and the so called formal name to the day is simply a sort of a good focus reason to do so.

    In other words - I think you are taking all of this WAY beyond what anyone is actually doing - few really takes any of these days especially seriously. Again - the straining of a gnat - and missing out of the real call of God - mercy, grace, truth, love and a good conscience.
     
  16. ViaCrucis

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    Not yet, it's not even Advent yet. Perhaps we could have a thread about why Advent is evil. After all, it honors Jesus, and the common theme to all "X is evil" threads tends to be that anything that honors the Lord Jesus is wrong for Christians to observe and honor.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  17. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    First of all, Deuteronomy 14:26 was given to Israel and not to the church. Yes, "God's Eternal Moral Laws" have remained unchanged (since the "Fall of Adam" like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc.) but we have to be able to rightly divide the Word of truth in what applies and what does not apply to us Christians today. Deuteronomy 14:1-2 deals with copying pagan customs like cutting yourself and shaving bald spots on your head for the dead (Which I believe still applies today because 3 John 1:11 says we are not to imitate evil but we are to imitate that which is good - Sort of like not imitating those who celebrate Halloween because it is a holiday that celebrates darkness). Deuteronomy 14:3-21 deals with the laws to Israel on clean and unclean foods (Which no longer applies to the believer under the New Covenant because God told Peter to eat unclean animals - See Acts of the Apostles 10:9-16). Deuteronomy 14:22-29 deals with tithes involving worship. So the feast in Deuteronomy 14:26 is a celebration of worshiping God and in tithing. So it is not just a party.

    Second, Deuteronomy 14:26 is in reference to the purchasing of these items and it is not in reference to the immediate ingestion of these things. It says, "And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after,." (Deuteronomy 14:26). This is important to understand because they bought wine and strong drink whereby they would have diluted it with water so as to be drinkable. How so?

    Well, the Bible mentions that there are three types of wines.

    #1. Fermented Wine (Strong in alcoholic content).
    #2. Fermented Wine Diluted by Water (Low in alcoholic content)
    #3. Unfermented Wine or Freshly Squeezed Grape Juice (A non intoxicating beverage).​

    I believe the wine during Bible times that the Old Testament saints drank was Wine Type #2, whereby it was a wine mixed with water and was lower in alcoholic content (Which was the wine seen at the Wedding of Cana before Christ made Wine Type #3, which was non intoxicating grape juice or unfermented wine); In other words, the wines commonly drank by the OT saints was not like the strong wines of today; And Jesus made grape juice that made was considered the “best wine.” Wines of today (By wine tasters) are considered the best by their taste and not how much they can intoxicate you.

    Wine mixed (diluted) with Water Verses (Wine Type #2):

    Revelation 14:10 says,
    "The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb." (cf. Psalms 75:8).

    1 Timothy 5:23 (NASB) says,
    "No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments."

    Proverbs 9:2 (NLT) says,
    "She has prepared a great banquet, mixed the wines, and set the table."

    Proverbs 23:31 - "Do not look at wine when it is red."

    John 19:34 (Blood and water mingled together from Christ's side; And Scripture essentially says the wine in the Lord's supper is representative of Jesus's blood - See Matthew 26:27-29).

    Isaiah 1:22 NIV says,
    “Your silver has become dross, your choice wine is diluted with water.”​

    Pure silver, which would be too soft to be durable, is mixed with 5-20% copper in an alloy known as sterling silver.

    How silver is made - material, making, history, used, processing, industry

    If one were to take note: One has to mix copper in silver in order for it to be durable so as to be used. Just as one must use water in their mixture of wine to use it.

    So the idea here is that the silver (mixed with copper) they use has become so dross (or watered down it is then cheap. Just as the wine (mixed with water) is diluted even more whereby it is cheap wine (for the times).

    Wine could be carried in an undiluted state within leather skin like bottles and then later mixed with water for use. Timothy was told to use a little wine in his water because of the infirmities in his stomach. Paul was telling him to use Biblical wine so as to resolve a medical issue.

    Extra Biblical Sources on how wine was mixed with water:

    2 Maccabees 15:39, Talmud, and Justin Martyr, etc.​

    Three, if you were to keep reading in Deuteronomy, it says,

    "Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God" (Deuteronomy 29:6).

    So it looks like they did not drink of wine and strong drink in Deuteronomy. They did this as a part of showing that they might know the Lord their God. So I am sorry to inform you that Deuteronomy 14:26 is not a license for you to party. That would be ignoring the context and the rest of the Bible.
     
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  18. Greg Logan

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    I am unfamiliar with the seeing datum that reflects your statement - "anything that honors the Lord Jesus is wrong for Christians to observe and honor."
     
  19. Hammster

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    I think it was sarcasm.
     
  20. Greg Logan

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    ohhhhh....Jason, Jason, Jason.... I well understand now - "Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit...."

    Of course they drank the strong drink - Yah told them to PURCHASE it and BRING it to Jerusalem to PARTY before the LORD. You don't purchase and bring to party - and then not use it.....

    BTW - all the babble that is floating around in evangelical land trying to downplay the use of wine that, unfortunately, has come your way - is just that - babble.

    Just look up all the passages re wine - and you will realize it was good ol' fashioned intoxicating wine - PLUS some good ol' fashioned "squeazin's" the way we made it in the back-woods.
     
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