What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[JohnRabbit]

If you have faith why do you need to be told to perform?

so i see you won't answer the question, that's cool!

 

[Elder 111]

Sin was before the law. Thus the law can't be the definition of sin. I think 1 John 5:17 has been pointed out to you. I pointed you to Rom 14:23. I asked/stated the law doesn't required faith. IOW not having faith doesn't violate the law - a sin. Yet it is identified as sin.

Before you point me to anything else solve the problem with 1 John 3:4. Is that definition flawed? Did the Holy Spirit inspired that or not? Should it be ignore?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Uh, no you haven't. You can try again

• Have you determined why God delivered us from the Ten Commandments?
• And if components of the old covenant "is nothing", what makes you reach for the old covenant for the commandments of God?

the answer is why would God want to deliver us from His ways (deut 5:33)!

Deuteronomy 5:29(NKJV)
29Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!

see? this is why my answer is insufficient for you.

after reading deut 5:29, you want me to believe that God wants to do away with that?

i can't go there!

 

[from scratch]

Before you point me to anything else solve the problem with 1 John 3:4. Is that definition flawed? Did the Holy Spirit inspired that or not? Should it be ignore?

I've already responded to that point several times. do you think for a split NYC
second I'm going to respond with your hammered required response? The question you present is right out of the SDA play book. You choose to ignore way to much of the Bible.

 

[from scratch]

the answer is why would God want to deliver us from His ways (deut 5:33)!

Deuteronomy 5:29(NKJV)
29Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!

see? this is why my answer is insufficient for you.

after reading deut 5:29, you want me to believe that God wants to do away with that?

i can't go there!

Say what ever happened to Deut 529? I've not seen him in a very long time?

Why won't you accept Jer31:31-33 along with other prophets?

 

[VictorC]

the answer is why would God want to deliver us from His ways (deut 5:33)!

Deuteronomy 5:29(NKJV)
29Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!

see? this is why my answer is insufficient for you.

after reading deut 5:29, you want me to believe that God wants to do away with that?

i can't go there!

Okay, thank you for telling me you can't accept New Testament Scripture.
May God have mercy on you in your travels.

 

[Sophrosyne]

You mean except one forget and dismiss the Ten commandments completely you would regard them as placing God holy law before God. We must follow God without any regard for His law. that He writes on our hearts.
Hebrews 10:
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
It seems that God does not share your opinion.

One who accepts Christ as their savior needs no list of commandments that didn't save anyone in the Old Testament EVER to keep. We are given commandments quite up to the task by Jesus and his apostles. Do you realize that you are saying the 10 commandments are Holier than God himself by rejecting Jesus commandments for the 10?

 

[from scratch]

so i see you won't answer the question, that's cool!

I answered. You just don't like my answer.

 

[Elder 111]

All Christians should not keep the Ten commandments because God got rid of them according to "Scratch" and "VictorC"
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God especially don't like this one.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Let's get our idols together. Time to worship them God don't mine.



7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Having no respect for the name of God is not a problem with Him. Respect your president or prime minister but not God.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
This is the worst of all. It is absolutely ridiculous for any Christian to keep the day that God bless and sanctified. If He blessed it let Him keep it Himself. I will give Him the day I choose. The one most convenient to me and after all He rose from the grave on the same day any way, so He should be grateful.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Who said that I want to live long?

13Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Jesus fulfilled the law so I don't have to worry about these at all.

Don't mine Paul in Ephesians 5:

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

 

[Elder 111]

I've already responded to that point several times. do you think for a split NYC
second I'm going to respond with your hammered required response? The question you present is right out of the SDA play book. You choose to ignore way to much of the Bible.

Just like you ignoring 1 John 3:4? You know that you have not answered my questions. Is it flawed? Does 1 John5:17 negate it?

 

[Elder 111]

One who accepts Christ as their savior needs no list of commandments that didn't save anyone in the Old Testament EVER to keep. We are given commandments quite up to the task by Jesus and his apostles. Do you realize that you are saying the 10 commandments are Holier than God himself by rejecting Jesus commandments for the 10?

Is that sound theology? That accepting the Ten commandments written by God Himself is rejecting Jesus? To worship God only, as required by the first Commandments, is a rejection of Jesus?

 

[VictorC]

All Christians should not keep the Ten commandments because God got rid of them according to "Scratch" and "VictorC"

Most of the other members contributing to this forum have integrity on their side, and those who have followed this thread know that your comments misrepresent what I've posted. To the extreme, and should a moderator take an interest it is likely that they're going to look on your post as a personal attack.

Let's remember that I have upheld the Holiness of the Law mediated through Moses, and made a contribution to this thread when I observed that your first course of action was to diminish the Holiness of the Law to a mere list of 'principles', six times in the poorly worded questions of your poll.

From there I pointed out from Scripture -Romans 7:6 and Galatians 3:23- that the relationship is that the Law kept the recipients until the fulness of time determined by God -Galatians 4:4-5- and God redeemed those who were retained by the Law to make them His own adopted sons and daughters. That is the essence of the Gospel -God's redemption- that you continue to show denial of.

Throughout our posting history, I have asked you to document when and where God ever gave the Gentiles in Barbados -or elsewhere- the covenant from Mount Sinai Moses entitled the Ten Commandments. At no time did you ever attempt to provide any support that the Gentiles ever received the old covenant. At no time did you ever provide any solution to the estrangement apart from God the Gentiles suffered under during the Law's tenure (Ephesians 2:11-16, Galatians 3:13-14).

Your latest contribution is to deny the Biblical record regarding the origin of the Law, and the origin of sin that resulted from Adam's transgression that isn't even included in the covenant from Mount Sinai. Each time you have an opportunity to, you have chosen to contradict the Law's own testimony, and you have even contradicted yourself enough times that your opinions have long lost any hope of credibility.

So, your accusation that posting members opine God's action in taking away the Ten Commandments doesn't really tell the whole story. Not when it is realized that God never gave you -a Gentile- the Ten Commandments in the first place. And yes, the Biblical record is replete with God ending the jurisdiction of the Ten Commandments over those He redeemed as His own children. This has been established as factual in recent posts, and asking another member why he supposed God did this was met with his fiat statement that he "can't go there". I'm not in the business of determining why someone else would state this, but making such a statement disqualifies such a person from further contributions on a forum limited to discussions among Christians hoping to hash out differences.

So yes, I will agree with the Gospel's message that we can violate the old covenant - which is necessary in light of God's determination that we have violated the old covenant, with no exceptions: "For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all" (Romans 11:32), and it is solely to His redeemed that He gives us His promise "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more". It is necessary because sin still exists apart from the Law, just as it did before the Law existed.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
God especially don't like this one.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Let's get our idols together. Time to worship them God don't mine.



7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Having no respect for the name of God is not a problem with Him. Respect your president or prime minister but not God.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
This is the worst of all. It is absolutely ridiculous for any Christian to keep the day that God bless and sanctified. If He blessed it let Him keep it Himself. I will give Him the day I choose. The one most convenient to me and after all He rose from the grave on the same day any way, so He should be grateful.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Who said that I want to live long?

13Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Jesus fulfilled the law so I don't have to worry about these at all.

Don't mine Paul in Ephesians 5:

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

And consistent with the way you've stripped the Law of its Holiness by making it a list of 'principles', it becomes something you advocate evil from. There hasn't been a law that has ever successfully transformed the fallen human character, but rather only condemned those who have transgressed it.
Which is everyone who ever received it; no exceptions: "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

Failing to keep the sabbath Holy, bearing false witness, and grovelling before the created instead of the Creator Who is forever blessed are all transgressions I have observed from your posts. Is it all right for you to transgress God's Holy Law?
That's a rhetorical question you won't answer.
It is a 'principle' I have observed many times that those most likely to transgress the covenant from Mount Sinai are those who advocate bringing God's purchased possession back under that which He redeemed us from. It is driven by the spiritual purpose ordained into the Law, designed to drive you to your knees in search of your Redeemer.

Galatians 3
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

God's redeemed children live in the experience after faith in our Redeemer has come.
Those remaining in a condition before faith is given to them remain under the tutelage of the Law, for it hasn't finished with you yet.

 

[from scratch]

All Christians should not keep the Ten commandments because God got rid of them according to "Scratch" and "VictorC"

Not according to Scratch and VictorC but according to God's word given through His prophets, not yours.

 

[from scratch]

Just like you ignoring 1 John 3:4? You know that you have not answered my questions. Is it flawed? Does 1 John5:17 negate it?

I've not ignored 1 John 3:4 at all. I've called you attention to it several times and specifically the word also.Did you miss it this time also? The word also doesn't ever mean only.

 

[Rev Randy]

I've not ignored 1 John 3:4 at all. I've called you attention to it several times and specifically the word also.Did you miss it this time also? The word also doesn't ever mean only.

Eh? Speak up sonny, I can't hear you.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Is that sound theology? That accepting the Ten commandments written by God Himself is rejecting Jesus? To worship God only, as required by the first Commandments, is a rejection of Jesus?

Perfectly sound theology. Jesus and the apostles point to Jesus throughout the New Testament he is the author and finisher of our faith NOT the 10 commandments. There is no mention of the 10 commandments for Christians we are commanded otherwise. You, however reject those commandments and instead exalt the 10 commandments over Jesus personal commandments for us, and his commandments through Paul.

 

[from scratch]

Eh? Speak up sonny, I can't hear you.

Ah you loved my pointing out the word also in large enough letters it could be read by some ignoring it in the text of 1 John 3:4. Great it works for some people.

 

[from scratch]

Perfectly sound theology. Jesus and the apostles point to Jesus throughout the New Testament he is the author and finisher of our faith NOT the 10 commandments. There is no mention of the 10 commandments for Christians we are commanded otherwise. You, however reject those commandments and instead exalt the 10 commandments over Jesus personal commandments for us, and his commandments through Paul.

I'd say that is a rejection of Christianity.

Have you noticed the change in the title of General Theology.

We will be bye, bye to these people very soon.

 

[Elder 111]

Most of the other members contributing to this forum have integrity on their side, and those who have followed this thread know that your comments misrepresent what I've posted. To the extreme, and should a moderator take an interest it is likely that they're going to look on your post as a personal attack.

Let's remember that I have upheld the Holiness of the Law mediated through Moses, and made a contribution to this thread when I observed that your first course of action was to diminish the Holiness of the Law to a mere list of 'principles', six times in the poorly worded questions of your poll.

From there I pointed out from Scripture -Romans 7:6 and Galatians 3:23- that the relationship is that the Law kept the recipients until the fulness of time determined by God -Galatians 4:4-5- and God redeemed those who were retained by the Law to make them His own adopted sons and daughters. That is the essence of the Gospel -God's redemption- that you continue to show denial of.

Throughout our posting history, I have asked you to document when and where God ever gave the Gentiles in Barbados -or elsewhere- the covenant from Mount Sinai Moses entitled the Ten Commandments. At no time did you ever attempt to provide any support that the Gentiles ever received the old covenant. At no time did you ever provide any solution to the estrangement apart from God the Gentiles suffered under during the Law's tenure (Ephesians 2:11-16, Galatians 3:13-14).

Your latest contribution is to deny the Biblical record regarding the origin of the Law, and the origin of sin that resulted from Adam's transgression that isn't even included in the covenant from Mount Sinai. Each time you have an opportunity to, you have chosen to contradict the Law's own testimony, and you have even contradicted yourself enough times that your opinions have long lost any hope of credibility.

So, your accusation that posting members opine God's action in taking away the Ten Commandments doesn't really tell the whole story. Not when it is realized that God never gave you -a Gentile- the Ten Commandments in the first place. And yes, the Biblical record is replete with God ending the jurisdiction of the Ten Commandments over those He redeemed as His own children. This has been established as factual in recent posts, and asking another member why he supposed God did this was met with his fiat statement that he "can't go there". I'm not in the business of determining why someone else would state this, but making such a statement disqualifies such a person from further contributions on a forum limited to discussions among Christians hoping to hash out differences.

So yes, I will agree with the Gospel's message that we can violate the old covenant - which is necessary in light of God's determination that we have violated the old covenant, with no exceptions: "For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all" (Romans 11:32), and it is solely to His redeemed that He gives us His promise "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more". It is necessary because sin still exists apart from the Law, just as it did before the Law existed.



And consistent with the way you've stripped the Law of its Holiness by making it a list of 'principles', it becomes something you advocate evil from. There hasn't been a law that has ever successfully transformed the fallen human character, but rather only condemned those who have transgressed it.
Which is everyone who ever received it; no exceptions: "Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."

Failing to keep the sabbath Holy, bearing false witness, and grovelling before the created instead of the Creator Who is forever blessed are all transgressions I have observed from your posts. Is it all right for you to transgress God's Holy Law?
That's a rhetorical question you won't answer.
It is a 'principle' I have observed many times that those most likely to transgress the covenant from Mount Sinai are those who advocate bringing God's purchased possession back under that which He redeemed us from. It is driven by the spiritual purpose ordained into the Law, designed to drive you to your knees in search of your Redeemer.

Galatians 3
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

God's redeemed children live in the experience after faith in our Redeemer has come.
Those remaining in a condition before faith is given to them remain under the tutelage of the Law, for it hasn't finished with you yet.

Correct me where I am interpreting you incorrectly. But this is what I am understand from you.

1. There was no Ten commandments before Sinai, but adultery etc. was still a sin.
2. The Ten commandments has no bearing on Christians now but it is Holy.

If I am correct, that would mean that a just good and holy law is not for me.
I also believe that, as a christian, you would tell me I should serve God only. So my question is why is the holy just and good law not valid when I am suppose to do the same thing that the law says?

 

[from scratch]

Correct me where I am interpreting you incorrectly. But this is what I am understand from you.

1. There was no Ten commandments before Sinai, but adultery etc. was still a sin.
2. The Ten commandments has no bearing on Christians now but it is Holy.

If I am correct, that would mean that a just good and holy law is not for me.
I also believe that, as a christian, you would tell me I should serve God only. So my question is why is the holy just and good law not valid when I am suppose to do the same thing that the law says?

In response to your first statement - correct as 1 John 5:17 points out.

In response to your second statement - correct (for the Christian) according to the long list of passages already referenced and quoted to you.