What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[JohnRabbit]

It looks like you're running away as fast as you can from your initial Scripture quote. I don't want to presume why. Just answer the questions.

• Have you determined why God delivered us from the Ten Commandments?
• And if components of the old covenant "is nothing", what makes you reach for the old covenant for the commandments of God?

not running.

first, God has not delivered us from the ten commandments. what we were delivered from was the penalty of the law, via the cross of the Christ.

in verse 7 paul tells us that the law is not our problem but sin is.

the components were the fleshly ordinances, not the spiritual law - the ten!

Ephesians 2:15(NKJV)
15having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,


Hebrews 9:10(NKJV)
10concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

one thing is for sure, we know that the fleshly ordinances aren't spiritual (rom 7:14)!

 

[from scratch]

why would God want to deliver us from His ways (deut 5:33)?

Rom 11:32

 

[from scratch]

you make this too easy scratch!

Revelation 14:12(NKJV)
12Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

so the answer is the saints!

We're talking about different commandments.

 

[VictorC]

not running.

first, God has not delivered us from the ten commandments.

We're not going past 'first', since the fact that God has delivered us from the Ten Commandments that held us in the past tense already been established as a fait accompli. The question confronting you is if you have determined the 'why' He did so, as this seems to trouble you.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Rom 11:32

of course that negates deut 5:33!

 

[JohnRabbit]

We're talking about different commandments.

of course we are!

 

[VictorC]

Ashamed! Of God? I am a child of God. A christian. A faithful student of the word of God.

You just confirmed that you rejected the Word of God.

 

[JohnRabbit]

We're not going past 'first', since the fact that God has delivered us from the Ten Commandments that held us in the past tense already been established as a fait accompli. The question confronting you is if you have determined the 'why' He did so, as this seems to trouble you.

there's no troubling me.

you're reading is simply not what i find reading the verses.

we were delivered from the penalty of the law. that's why paul said what he said at the end of rom 7 and also in 1cor 7:19.

and as i showed your buddy scratch, john seems to believe the same per rev 14:12!

 

[Elder 111]

When one replaces the Savior (God) with the 10 commandments they are in a sense idolizing them.

You mean except one forget and dismiss the Ten commandments completely you would regard them as placing God holy law before God. We must follow God without any regard for His law. that He writes on our hearts.
Hebrews 10:
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
It seems that God does not share your opinion.

 

[from scratch]

So the bible fail to properly describe sin?
WE must therefore reject the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in 1 John3:4?
Sin is not the transgression of the law. What is your definition?

Sin was before the law. Thus the law can't be the definition of sin. I think 1 John 5:17 has been pointed out to you. I pointed you to Rom 14:23. I asked/stated the law doesn't required faith. IOW not having faith doesn't violate the law - a sin. Yet it is identified as sin.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Sin was before the law. Thus the law can't be the definition of sin. I think 1 John 5:17 has been pointed out to you. I pointed you to Rom 14:23. I asked/stated the law doesn't required faith. IOW not having faith doesn't violate the law - a sin.

if you don't have faith, how can you keep the first commandment?

 

[VictorC]

there's no troubling me.

you're reading is simply not what i find reading the verses.

we were delivered from the penalty of the law. that's why paul said what he said at the end of rom 7 and also in 1cor 7:19.

and as i showed your buddy scratch, john seems to believe the same per rev 14:12!

First of all, the commandments of God include the mandate to cast off the covenant from Mount Sinai. Revelation 14:12 describes new covenant Christians in their obedience, and not those retaining the old covenant like those who haven't acknowledged God's deliverance from it. The two questions I posed before you were not difficult, having answers right in the context we discussed. It would seem you don't want to answer them.

 

[from scratch]

Ashamed! Of God? I am a child of God. A christian. A faithful student of the word of God.

Are you playing dodge? I think your response is an artful dodge refusing to answer the question. Yes you understand what was asked.

 

[JohnRabbit]

First of all, the commandments of God include the mandate to cast off the covenant from Mount Sinai. Revelation 14:12 describes new covenant Christians in their obedience, and not those retaining the old covenant like those who haven't acknowledged God's deliverance from it. The two questions I posed before you were not difficult, having answers right in the context we discussed. It would seem you don't want to answer them.

the commandments of God are the commandments He wrote.

of all 613 laws, God wrote ten of them Himself.

the part of the law He wrote was spiritual, doesn't take physical labor to accomplish, just the right attitude.

 

[VictorC]

the commandments of God are the commandments He wrote.

of all 613 laws, God wrote ten of them Himself.

the part of the law He wrote was spiritual, doesn't take physical labor to accomplish, just the right attitude.

Not sure what you're counting as the commandments of God, but I know they don't total anywhere near the number you claim.
How are you doing with those two simple questions?

 

[Elder 111]

A silly rhetorical question such as this is impossible to reconcile with the many Biblical passages you've rejected, that define sin as an entity separate in origin from the covenant Law mediated through Moses.

That is the definition of sin?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Not sure what you're counting as the commandments of God, but I know they don't total anywhere near the number you claim.
How are you doing with those two simple questions?

have answered them already, you just don't like my answer.

 

[from scratch]

if you don't have faith, how can you keep the first commandment?

If you have faith why do you need to be told to perform?

 

[VictorC]

have answered them already, you just don't like my answer.

Uh, no you haven't. You can try again

• Have you determined why God delivered us from the Ten Commandments?
• And if components of the old covenant "is nothing", what makes you reach for the old covenant for the commandments of God?

 

[from scratch]

the commandments of God are the commandments He wrote.

of all 613 laws, God wrote ten of them Himself.

the part of the law He wrote was spiritual, doesn't take physical labor to accomplish, just the right attitude.

That isn't the commandments John refers to. See 1 John 3:23 and John 15:10.