What Have You Done to Deserve Salvation?

[EmSw]

His choice is His choice.

He will have mercy on who He will have mercy.

Uh oh, you have taken that passage out of context.

 

[EmSw]

From whose viewpoint ?

From man's ? Everything is corrupt, seemingly useless, random or planned.

From YHWH'S ?

Not if you know what "random" means.

Did He randomly choose you, or did you deserve to be chosen?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Where does it say anyone not yet born receives grace from the foundation of the world?

Ephesians 1:5

 

[-V-]

His choice is His choice.

He will have mercy on who He will have mercy.

Right, so nothing there precluding it being random.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Uh oh, you have taken that passage out of context.

This one?

Romans 9:18

18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

 

[-V-]

So

So, again, nothing there precluding it from being random.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Right, so nothing there precluding it being random.

Is there anything in the bible that makes you believe His will in ordination is random?

 

[EmSw]

Ephesians 1:5

Are you reading the Islamic version?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

So, anybody who says they received the gift of faith are saved?

Do they believe in their heart Christ Jesus is Lord?

Do they confess with their mouth He is risen?

Who knows the heart?

 

[-V-]

Is there anything in the bible that makes you believe His will in ordination is random?

Yeah, the fact that, as of yet, no one can give any Biblical reason that it isn't.

Jimmyjimmy specifically made a point of criticizing other views, saying they leave it to chance, while no one is showing that Calvinism doesn't do the very same thing.

 

[EmSw]

This one?

Romans 9:18

18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

Now read where that passage is originally written and keep it in context.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Are you reading the Islamic version?

Paul isn't Islamic.

Islam didn't even exist when Paul wrote his epistles.

 

[EmSw]

Is there anything in the bible that makes you believe His will in ordination is random?

Did He randomly choose you, or did you deserve to be chosen?

 

[EmSw]

Do they believe in their heart Christ Jesus is Lord?

Do they confess with their mouth He is risen?

Who knows the heart?

So, now you are telling me you deserve it.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Did He randomly choose you, or did you deserve to be chosen?

Potter and the clay.

 

[EmSw]

Paul isn't Islamic.

Islam didn't even exist when Paul wrote his epistles.

Exactly. It doesn't say what you say it does.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So, again, nothing there precluding it from being random.

Unless you are able to read a dictionary.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

while no one is showing that Calvinism doesn't do the very same thing.

Is this thread, op, or section defending that ?! (defending 'Calvinism'?)

 

[-V-]

Unless you are able to read a dictionary.

And yet you won't actually explain how.

 

[EmSw]

Potter and the clay.

Wow, you are getting deeper in trouble.

2 Timothy 2
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor.
21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.
22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Did you clean yourself from the wood and clay? If not, you will not be a vessel for honor, and useful for the Master.