What Have You Done to Deserve Salvation?

[EmSw]

He didn't leave a thing to "chance". "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."

So jimmy, you do deserve salvation. Congratulations.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

So jimmy, you do deserve salvation. Congratulations.

I got what I didn't deserve, and so did Christ, on my behalf. I deserve condemnation.

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Much like your predestined destination. There's a chance you make heaven and a chance you don't.

Does God play dice?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Does God play dice?

That's a great question because Arminian and Pelagian worldviews leave man's faith to chance.

 

[EmSw]

Does God play dice?

From this side of heaven, yes, the participants are lucky to be predestined to be saved.

 

[EmSw]

That's a great question because Arminian and Pelagian worldviews leave man's faith to chance.

Really? Your fate is left to chance. All you can do is sit on the curb and hope you win.

 

[-V-]

Does God play dice?

That's a great question because Arminian and Pelagian worldviews leave man's faith to chance.

Does He? If one subscribes to Calvinistic predetermination, how does God choose who He will save and who He won't? How do we know it's not random?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

From this side of heaven, yes, the participants are lucky to be predestined to be saved.

There is no such thing as luck because there is no such thing as chance.

The participants received grace from the foundation of the earth.

Ephesians 1:4

 

[EmSw]

I got what I didn't deserve, and so did Christ, on my behalf. I deserve condemnation.

Where does it say God gives to people what they don't deserve?

I believe God judges each man according to his works. Are your works good or evil?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

Does He? If one subscribes to Calvinistic predetermination, how does God choose who He will save and who He won't? How do we know it's not random?

Ephesians 1:4

 

[EmSw]

There is no such thing as luck because there is no such thing as chance.

The participants received grace from the foundation of the earth.

Ephesians 1:4

Where does it say anyone not yet born receives grace from the foundation of the world?

 

[-V-]

Ephesians 1:4

That just says we were chosen. It doesn't say HOW. So, again, how do we know it isn't random?

 

[EmSw]

Ephesians 1:4

And why do you think you are part of this predestination?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Does God play dice?

A LOT of people on earth hope He Does ! (of course they will be disappointed)

IF He Did, they would have a chance to be saved, (they think) .

 

[I'm_Sorry]

And why do you think you are part of this predestination?

Because I received the gift of Faith and was called to His Son and believed because of Faith He gifted.

Salvation is a gift.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That just says we were chosen. It doesn't say HOW. So, again, how do we know it isn't random?

From whose viewpoint ?

From man's ? Everything is corrupt, seemingly useless, random or planned.

From YHWH'S ?

Not if you know what "random" means.

 

[-V-]

From YHWH'S ?

Not if you know what "random" means.

Why not, other than because you say so?

 

[I'm_Sorry]

That just says we were chosen. It doesn't say HOW. So, again, how do we know it isn't random?

His choice is His choice.

He will have mercy on who He will have mercy.

 

[EmSw]

Because I received the gift of Faith and was called to His Son and believed because of Faith He gifted.

Salvation is a gift.

So, anybody who says they received the gift of faith are saved?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why not, other than because you say so?

So