What has President Trump's time in office done to you, personally?

[Old Trapper]

The last candidates standing were Hillary and Trump.

Would you have preferred Hillary be in the White House?

Pardon me asking again, but you neglected to answer the question the first time.

Actually I did if you had the ability to understand. If I had wanted Hillary in the WH I would have voted for her. Since I did not then it should be obvious I did not. Just to further clarify, I have not voted for a Democrat, or a Republican, since I voted for Reagan in his first term. Watching him I understood how corrupt the system had become so now I vote for anyone but.

And the "last candidates standing" were not Hillary, and Trump, unless you are under the delusion that only the R's and D's, count. Johnson, Stein, Castle, McMullin, among others were also there for one to vote for.

 

[brinny]

Actually I did if you had the ability to understand. If I had wanted Hillary in the WH I would have voted for her. Since I did not then it should be obvious I did not. Just to further clarify, I have not voted for a Democrat, or a Republican, since I voted for Reagan in his first term. Watching him I understood how corrupt the system had become so now I vote for anyone but.

And the "last candidates standing" were not Hillary, and Trump, unless you are under the delusion that only the R's and D's, count. Johnson, Stein, Castle, McMullin, among others were also there for one to vote for.

The only two candidates who had a chance at all of getting in the White House were Hillary and Trump. My question is, since it was between both of them, would you have preferred that Hillary be in the White House now?

How has the country "worsened" since Trump took office?

Please feel free to respond with any legitimate points yay or nay.

Thank you kindly.

And if you are so inclined, i have posted earlier posts in this thread about what Trump has done regarding human rights and sex trafficking, etc. Please feel free to respond to those posts as well.

 

[Anto9us]

I blame Bush, Obama, and Trump for hamburgers not tasting as good as they used to

 

[Anto9us]

I voted by SECRET BALLOT

 

[Hank77]

The last candidates standing were Hillary and Trump.

Would you have preferred Hillary be in the White House?

Pardon me asking again, but you neglected to answer the question the first time.

You didn't see the other names on the ballot?

 

[brinny]

You didn't see the other names on the ballot?

Which candidates had any chance at all of winning the election?

 

[Old Trapper]

The only two candidates who had a chance at all of getting in the White House were Hillary and Trump. My question is, since it was between both of them, would you have preferred that Hillary be in the White House now?

Once again I am heading for trouble by responding to a child who lacks understanding. So, once again, if I had wanted Hillary in the WH do you not think I would have voted for her?

Then you have to ask yourself, why is it that the two most corrupt persons available for the office of President were Hillary, and Trump? Could it possibly be because the so-called "christian" community sold out their God, refused to believe in His holy word, and supported a cretin instead of an honest person? And why is it that these same so-called "christians" still supporting him? Jerry Falwell, Jr., Franklin Graham, etc.?

How has the country "worsened" since Trump took office?

You mean besides turning virtually the whole world against us? The wars he is trying to foment in the ME with Palestine, and Israel, or even Pakistan? Did the additional 1.5 Trillion dollars in national debt make you stop and think? How about the millions that are going to lose their healthcare insurance? Bother you any? How about the additional pollution that is going to enter the atmosphere due to his undoing the regulations? Do you want more? Do some research.

And if you are so inclined, i have posted earlier posts in this thread about what Trump has done regarding human rights and sex trafficking, etc. Please feel free to respond to those posts as well.

He has done nothing. While he talks about it he cuts funding for anti-trafficking initiatives, and increases his business endeavors in China the worst offender of all:

Tillerson, Ivanka Trump must follow words with action on human trafficking

 

[brinny]

Once again I ma heading for trouble by responding to a child who lacks understanding. So, once again, if I had wanted Hillary in the WH do you not think I would have voted for her?

Then you have to ask yourself, why is it that the two most corrupt persons available for the office of President were Hillary, and Trump? Could it possibly be because the so-called "christian" community sold out their God, refused to believe in His holy word, and supported a cretin instead of an honest person? And why is it that these same so-called "christians" still supporting him? Jerry falwell, Jr., Franklin Graham, etc.?

How has the country "worsened" since Trump took office?[/quote]

You mean besides turning virtually the whole world against us? Did the additional 1.5 Trillion dollars in national debt make you stop and think? How about the millions that are going to lose their healthcare insurance? Bother you any? How about the additional pollution that is going to enter the atmosphere due to his undoing the regulations? Do you want more? Do some research.



He has done nothing. While he talks about it he cuts funding for anti-trafficking initiatives, and increases his business endeavors in China the worst offender of all:

Tillerson, Ivanka Trump must follow words with action on human trafficking[/QUOTE]

Please also respond to President Trump's support of a pre-born child's right to life, to be born, the most vulnerable and helpless amongst us. Specific verses in Isaiah and elsewhere in God's Word apply here.

In addition amongst the seven things that God abhors is the shedding of innocent blood.

Cecile Richards is stepping down as President of Planned Parenthood after 12 years. No reason given. Some speculate that it might be associated with Planned Parenthood's association and/or involvement in the selling of murdered baby's body parts. However that is only speculation at this point, you understand.

Stay tuned.

Praying.

 

[Old Trapper]

Please also respond to President Trump's support of a pre-born child's right to life, to be born, the most vulnerable and helpless amongst us. Specific verses in Isaiah and elsewhere in God's Word apply here.

In addition amongst the seven things that God abhors is the shedding of innocent blood.

I am not a supporter of abortions so you are now just grasping at straws. However, Trump was until he decided to run for President ion the Republican ticket.

Cecile Richards is stepping down as President of Planned Parenthood after 12 years. No reason given. Some speculate that it might be associated with Planned Parenthood's association and/or involvement in the selling of murdered baby's body parts. However that is only speculation at this point, you understand.

Stay tuned.

Praying.

Well, it wasn't illegal, and if it was you can be sure she would have been arrested, and Trump would have been sure of it.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Once again I am heading for trouble by responding to a child who lacks understanding. So, once again, if I had wanted Hillary in the WH do you not think I would have voted for her?

You were heading for trouble when you called her a child.

Then you have to ask yourself, why is it that the two most corrupt persons available for the office of President were Hillary, and Trump? Could it possibly be because the so-called "christian" community sold out their God, refused to believe in His holy word, and supported a cretin instead of an honest person? And why is it that these same so-called "christians" still supporting him? Jerry Falwell, Jr., Franklin Graham, etc.?

You'd have to prove that Trump was politically corrupt, first of all. Secondly, voting your conscience doesn't necessarily voting your religion. Religion and government are often opposed. Thirdly, in what way is either candidate a cretin?

You mean besides turning virtually the whole world against us? The wars he is trying to foment in the ME with Palestine, and Israel, or even Pakistan? Did the additional 1.5 Trillion dollars in national debt make you stop and think? How about the millions that are going to lose their healthcare insurance? Bother you any? How about the additional pollution that is going to enter the atmosphere due to his undoing the regulations? Do you want more? Do some research.

The whole world is not against us. That doesn't mean they're with us, either. President Trump is not fomenting war, in any shape or form. He's attempting to resolve issues in a different manner. Regarding the national debt, it more concerns me that Obama raised it double, more than all presidents combined. Regarding 'losing' health care 'insurance', how can you lose something you really never had? Obamacare gave people the option to pay for insurance they couldn't use. Regarding additional pollution, there is no evidence for what you're saying. And exiting Paris and Kyoto doesn't equal actually polluting the planet.

He has done nothing. While he talks about it he cuts funding for anti-trafficking initiatives, and increases his business endeavors in China the worst offender of all:

Tillerson, Ivanka Trump must follow words with action on human trafficking

meh

 

[Old Trapper]

You were heading for trouble when you called her a child

Do you have children? Do you remember when they went through the "Why, what, etc." stage? No matter how you answered it always leads to another question. The way of the child.

[/quote]You'd have to prove that Trump was politically corrupt, first of all.[/quote]

Yes I know. To the right wing partisan hack nothing can be said to prove that Trump is corrupt politically, or economically. Even the verified fact that he has used his office for personal profit to the tunes of millions of dollars would have no effect. Even the idea that he promotes his hotels, and go0lf courses, in his speeches, and press conferences, would have no effect.

Trump is king, and thereby enjoys the "Divine right of Kings".

Secondly, voting your conscience doesn't necessarily voting your religion. Religion and government are often opposed.

Your conscience is driven by, or determined by, your belief system, or lack thereof.

Thirdly, in what way is either candidate a cretin?

In which way are they not?

Titus 1: 10-13
"For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith";

The whole world is not against us. That doesn't mean they're with us, either.

Has to be one, or the other. "Fence riding" doesn't get it.

President Trump is not fomenting war, in any shape or form. He's attempting to resolve issues in a different manner.

Then you are not paying attention. Israel/Palestine; supporting the blockade of Yemen; taunting No. Korea; banning Muslims from entering the US, etc. All cowards need a way to prove their "manhood", and while they lack the courage to enter service on their own they never fail to find a way to send others to fight for them. Clinton thought of it, Bush did it, not it is Trumps turn.

Regarding the national debt, it more concerns me that Obama raised it double, more than all presidents combined.

And what did Obama inherit? Thousands of foreclosures due to illegal activities of banks, and mortgage lenders, 800,000 jobs lost every month, 2 illegal wars to pay for. And now that the economy is growing you want to give Trump credit for it. That is hypocrisy.

Regarding 'losing' health care 'insurance', how can you lose something you really never had? Obamacare gave people the option to pay for insurance they couldn't use.

In 2006 the Republicans passed the Medicare part D program. It was all messed up, and subscribers were not getting their medications, premiums went up, some programs were lost, etc. The Democrats worked with the Republicans to fix the problems. The ACA comes along, and the Republicans do all they can to eliminate it. And it wasn't that they could not use the insurance, they just didn't want it until they needed it.

I've been paying for auto insurance for 50+ years, mandated by law or be self insured, have never filed a claim.

Regarding additional pollution, there is no evidence for what you're saying. And exiting Paris and Kyoto doesn't equal actually polluting the planet.
meh

If there was no evidence then the results of the Clean Air Act of 1975 are bogus.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Do you have children? Do you remember when they went through the "Why, what, etc." stage? No matter how you answered it always leads to another question. The way of the child.

Great grandchildren. So what? Are you saying that her questions aren't valid?

You'd have to prove that Trump was politically corrupt, first of all.

Yes I know. To the right wing partisan hack nothing can be said to prove that Trump is corrupt politically, or economically. Even the verified fact that he has used his office for personal profit to the tunes of millions of dollars would have no effect. Even the idea that he promotes his hotels, and go0lf courses, in his speeches, and press conferences, would have no effect.
[/quote]Where is this 'verified fact'? And I don't see him promoting Trump hotels. Not even once.

Trump is king, and thereby enjoys the "Divine right of Kings".

Well, he's not a king, so...?

Your conscience is driven by, or determined by, your belief system, or lack thereof.

My conscience tells me that until every human life is treated with its inherent right to life, followed by liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So who, among available candidates, demonstrates the most life-friendly policies?

In which way are they not?

Titus 1: 10-13
"For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith";

I don't know how this pertains, at all.

Has to be one, or the other. "Fence riding" doesn't get it.



Then you are not paying attention. Israel/Palestine; supporting the blockade of Yemen; taunting No. Korea; banning Muslims from entering the US, etc. All cowards need a way to prove their "manhood", and while they lack the courage to enter service on their own they never fail to find a way to send others to fight for them. Clinton thought of it, Bush did it, not it is Trumps turn.

So, allowing a country to name its own capital is fomenting war? Requiring that Saudi Arabia stop the blockade is supporting the blockade of Yemen? Trump Urges Saudi Arabia to End Blockade of Goods Into Yemen
Taunting is fomenting war? What, in the past, has worked with NoKo? Appeasement? Supporting the same policies about vetting those who come to our shores that Obama supported? (I notice you omitted Obama as one of those cowards?)

And what did Obama inherit? Thousands of foreclosures due to illegal activities of banks, and mortgage lenders, 800,000 jobs lost every month, 2 illegal wars to pay for. And now that the economy is growing you want to give Trump credit for it. That is hypocrisy.

You mean the policies put into place by Clinton?

In 2006 the Republicans passed the Medicare part D program. It was all messed up, and subscribers were not getting their medications, premiums went up, some programs were lost, etc. The Democrats worked with the Republicans to fix the problems. The ACA comes along, and the Republicans do all they can to eliminate it. And it wasn't that they could not use the insurance, they just didn't want it until they needed it.

I don't see that it's been fixed. I'm against most government subsidies.

I've been paying for auto insurance for 50+ years, mandated by law or be self insured, have never filed a claim.

Yeah, I'm there, too. But health insurance isn't like auto insurance. Everyone will need a doctor at some point in their life. I believe that catastrophic insurance would be the right plan. You can pay for your checkups and doctor office visits, out of pocket, if you can't afford it, it can be provided under Medicaid. Catastrophic care, like when a relatively simple procedure might cost $20,000 or 10,000, or some $$$, would be offered.

If there was no evidence then the results of the Clean Air Act of 1975 are bogus.

As I believe they are. Politically motivated statistics, nothing more.

 

[Old Trapper]

Great grandchildren. So what? Are you saying that her questions aren't valid?

When they are asked, and answered, three times, yes. And then she ASSumed I supported abortions.

Where is this 'verified fact'? And I don't see him promoting Trump hotels. Not even once.

And since truth is not what you are seeking you will not look for it:

With Trump in White House, His Golf Properties Prosper

Well, he's not a king, so...?

He is to you, and others like you. Just look at how you defend him, and all his lies.

My conscience tells me that until every human life is treated with its inherent right to life, followed by liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So who, among available candidates, demonstrates the most life-friendly policies?

Christ said that would never happen. As to the candidates, you should have looked at alternatives like Darrell Castle, or Evan McMullin. A little late now.

I don't know how this pertains, at all.So, allowing a country to name its own capital is fomenting war?

So, Palestine has no right to do so even though the UN allowed for it? Even though it was the US, and the Brits that made it a neutral; territory? Trump did it because he hates Muslims, plain and simple.

Requiring that Saudi Arabia stop the blockade is supporting the blockade of Yemen? Trump Urges Saudi Arabia to End Blockade of Goods Into Yemen

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-yemen-saudi-blockade.html

US support for Saudi war in Yemen soars under Trump

Taunting is fomenting war? What, in the past, has worked with NoKo? Appeasement? Supporting the same policies about vetting those who come to our shores that Obama supported? (I notice you omitted Obama as one of those cowards?) You mean the policies put into place by Clinton?I don't see that it's been fixed.

First off, Obama was not subject to the draft like Trump, Clinton, and Bush, were. And when you taunt an insane individual then be prepared for what happens.

I'm against most government subsidies.Yeah, I'm there, too. But health insurance isn't like auto insurance. Everyone will need a doctor at some point in their life. I believe that catastrophic insurance would be the right plan. You can pay for your checkups and doctor office visits, out of pocket, if you can't afford it, it can be provided under Medicaid. Catastrophic care, like when a relatively simple procedure might cost $20,000 or 10,000, or some $$$, would be offered.As I believe they are.

And most people get into an accident sooner, or later. Most medical expenses occur after a person is no longer to work. Then too, Trump, and the right wing, want to cut medicare/medicaid.

But, I will bet you did not oppose the subsidies (incentives) Trump gave to the corporations, and the 1%, now did you?

Politically motivated statistics, nothing more.

Yeah I know, the clear air in place of the smog over places like Los Angeles, or the clean water that is not being polluted (there was no factory sewage, or pollution from mining, etc., right?) is all made up.

What does scripture say about how people will believe lies in the last days, and become fools?

 

[Yarddog]

Kimberly-Clark Announces Layoffs, Along With $3.3 Billion In Operating Profit

Here are 5,500 who will be laid off and the Tax Cut pays for Kimberly Clark to be able to do it.

 

[FenderTL5]

Which candidates had any chance at all of winning the election?

all that were on the ballot had a chance

 

[Root of Jesse]

When they are asked, and answered, three times, yes. And then she ASSumed I supported abortions.

Before you go accusing people of assuming, you should read this post for your own assumptions.

And since truth is not what you are seeking you will not look for it:

With Trump in White House, His Golf Properties Prosper

So because the president was elected his golf properties prosper. His properties were already prospering.

He is to you, and others like you. Just look at how you defend him, and all his lies.

There's your first assumption. I DO criticize President Trump when it's warranted.

Christ said that would never happen. As to the candidates, you should have looked at alternatives like Darrell Castle, or Evan McMullin. A little late now.

Riiiight...someone who could actually win? My first choice was Ted Cruz, and I voted for him even after Trump won the nomination.

So, Palestine has no right to do so even though the UN allowed for it? Even though it was the US, and the Brits that made it a neutral; territory? Trump did it because he hates Muslims, plain and simple.

Is the UN a governing body? Do they trump national sovereignty?

US support for Saudi war in Yemen soars under Trump

You don't know that this is Trump's decision.

First off, Obama was not subject to the draft like Trump, Clinton, and Bush, were. And when you taunt an insane individual then be prepared for what happens.

So now you're a psychiatrist...

And most people get into an accident sooner, or later. Most medical expenses occur after a person is no longer to work. Then too, Trump, and the right wing, want to cut medicare/medicaid.

So why force young people to buy insurance they don't need?

But, I will bet you did not oppose the subsidies (incentives) Trump gave to the corporations, and the 1%, now did you?

What subsidies are those? (Assumption #2)

Yeah I know, the clear air in place of the smog over places like Los Angeles, or the clean water that is not being polluted (there was no factory sewage, or pollution from mining, etc., right?) is all made up.

LA has been polluted for decades, and nothing has really changed. The factory sewage is taken care of.

What does scripture say about how people will believe lies in the last days, and become fools?

 

[Old Trapper]

Before you go accusing people of assuming, you should read this post for your own assumptions.

As the rest of your response demonstrates, you are not interested in the truth just support for a lying derelict that has screwed everyone he was ever involved with including his wives. You remind me of several I argued with before the election one in particular, an old man like me called "Grumpy". These people claimed to be "christians" yet denied Gods word everytime it came to Trump. Their hatred for Clinton blinded them to the truth, and now their hatred for Democrats once again blinds them to the truth.

I do not know if we are in the "end times" of the Bible. I do know that we are in a time where the it appears we are in those times. People are scared of the truth, and have turned their ears to those that teach falsehoods, and a time where morals are of no value. Then the fools wonder why homosexuality is rampant, and protected. They wonder why drugs are killing the children. Why abortion still exists. They wonder why poverty is so demanding while they support, and pay homage, to those that God says oppresses them.

Gods word means nothing to you, only lies, and falsehoods. And I tire of showing you the truth only to have you twist what I said into a lie that you can live with. You, and the Republican Party, are now protecting Trump, and his lies. At the same time Trump is protecting the enemies of America such as Russia, and China. And when it all comes to a head you will blame others, never yourself, or the Republicans.

It will be as God said it would be.

House Republicans Vote To Release Classified Memo They Wrote Attacking Russia Probe

 

[Foxfyre]

I found this one curious. Have you compared the tax benefit you stand to get relative to the tax benefit he stands to get?

I'm curious. Why should any of us care how much somebody else gets to keep of their own money so long as the percentage everybody pays is equitable across the board? If you pay $1,000 in federal income tax and somebody else is paying $100,000 in federal income tax, and the rate is reduced 10% across the board, then yes, that somebody else pays $10,000 less to your $100 less. He will still pay $90,000 in taxes to your $900 in taxes. How can anybody possibly say that is unfair?

That $10,000 he keeps, whether invested, saved, or spent, is going to benefit the economy a whole bunch more than your or my $100 will and could mean we will have opportunity to earn enough more so that we will pay more in taxes in the next few years, as will he. How are we harmed in any way?

In neither case is the money the government's money. It is money we each earned. It is our money and not anybody else's. And if those who are paying the huge lion's share of the taxes paid enjoy a tax break that is more because they have been paying so much more, we all should rejoice.

 

[DZoolander]

I'm curious. Why should any of us care how much somebody else gets to keep of their own money so long as the percentage everybody pays is equitable across the board? If you pay $1,000 in federal income tax and somebody else is paying $100,000 in federal income tax, and the rate is reduced 10% across the board, then yes, that somebody else pays $10,000 less to your $100 less. He will still pay $90,000 in taxes to your $900 in taxes. How can anybody possibly say that is unfair?

That $10,000 he keeps, whether invested, saved, or spent, is going to benefit the economy a whole bunch more than your or my $100 will and could mean we will have opportunity to earn enough more so that we will pay more in taxes in the next few years, as will he. How are we harmed in any way?

In neither case is the money the government's money. It is money we each earned. It is our money and not anybody else's. And if those who are paying the huge lion's share of the taxes paid enjoy a tax break that is more because they have been paying so much more, we all should rejoice.

You're getting into discussions about a progressive tax vs. a flat tax - which is a different discussion.

What I was getting more along the lines of - okay - thanks for giving me a couple of perks that may yield me an extra couple of thousand per year - for the next 7-8 years or so.

...while also passing tons of deductions at the request of your campaign donors that benefit only them - and yield far greater rewards than what the middle class receives.

Someone else in this thread (and i think it was what prompted that question of mine) said:

"I'm tired of politicians throwing us a bone every now and then to placate us while working to enrich themselves and their friends."

How is this not an example of that? lol

 

[DZoolander]

LA has been polluted for decades, and nothing has really changed. The factory sewage is taken care of.

Actually, that's not true.

I grew up in Los Angeles - and I very distinctly remember in the 1970's a CONSTANT haze of brown smog over the LA Basin. Always. I remember as a kid during the 70's constantly being told by the news that "tomorrow is a smog alert - stay inside as much as possible as the air will be unhealthy to breathe"

The air in LA is markedly better nowadays than it was back then.