What Happened to Magic?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Who else in and through all history
did Yahweh the Sovereign Almighty Everlasting Creator
speak with face to face as He did with Moses?

No illusions needed, even in the miracles/ plagues in Egypt to set "My People Free".

Yahweh does as Yahweh Pleases.

Alert Warning for the time we live in: the enemy has authority/ ability/ power to deceive billions of people with 'miracles' of many kinds. He is granted the authority also to kill the believers who refuse to take the mark , and before then as well (as millions have been executed in the last twenty years).

The examples above are good as well about moses, maybe it was just illusion and trick. Seems like weird things happened in that time that does not happen much today. Or in public.

 

[YesMe]

No, I don't think so.

Check Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

When those 4 things are broken, that's when you die and leave your body.

All these four things are part of the spiritual world, the masons "adore" so to say King Solomon, because he was so wise and really really good at controlling these energies. The two pillars Boaz and Jachin, the pillars of Solomon's temple are a main symbol in masonry.

I was even approached by the masons to become one of them because of the increase of spiritual knowledge that I experienced, I said a big: NO!; I stand with Christ even if I am falling, I still stand with Christ.

 

[Sabertooth]

@VMaeLove , find a local church that has a deliverance ministry and they can elaborate on magic vs. the miraculous. I think that Vineyard church is in Germany.

 

[JacksBratt]

The Bible has many examples of people other than Jesus doing things that are seeming not possible today. Why is that do you think?

My take on magic?

There is no such thing as magic. There is illusion and slight of hand and there is supernatural.

Many people do "illusions" to trick us... all is highly skilled but explainable.

Then there is the supernatural.. It is either of God, or of Satan and evil.

If you really want to see the rising number of demonic "magicians" just google "Dynamo" or "Shin Lim"

There are more as well.

 

[YesMe]

My take on magic?

There is no such thing as magic. There is illusion and slight of hand and there is supernatural.

Many people do "illusions" to trick us... all is highly skilled but explainable.

Then there is the supernatural.. It is either of God, or of Satan and evil.

If you really want to see the rising number of demonic "magicians" just google "Dynamo" or "Shin Lim"

There are more as well.

I think they are just illusionists because they have shown how they do certain tricks...

 

[Kaon]

The Bible has many examples of people other than Jesus doing things that are seeming not possible today. Why is that do you think?

Magic has gone nowhere.

Ignorance and disbelief are paramount today - if you don't want to be called a crazy person.

 

[VMaeLove]

Magic has gone nowhere.

Ignorance and disbelief are paramount today - if you don't want to be called a crazy person.

I wonder that too, belief and magic are together. You never see what you do not want to see.

 

[Francis Drake]

The Bible has many examples of people other than Jesus doing things that are seeming not possible today. Why is that do you think?

Jesus said "Greater than this shall you do", but mass unbelief in the church, (As frequently expressed on this forum) always trumps faith.

 

[Kaon]

I wonder that too, belief and magic are together. You never see what you do not want to see.

I agree. I like to say, "you cannot convince someone they are under a spell if they don't believe in magic."


Academia/science will soon realize it neither has the capacity nor imagination to account for a significant fraction of the created universe - let alone anything beyond it. So, it will ultimately go back to where it came from - magic and philosophy.

Having said that, I believe "magic" for the context we are describing is a gross misnomer: intellect would be a better word for magic in our context. With enough intellect you can seem like a god, unfortunately, to other entities.

Real magic (manipulating nature for your own personal gain) is a different beast than the magic most people think of.

 

[JacksBratt]

I think they are just illusionists because they have shown how they do certain tricks...

Have you seen "Dynamo", "Shin Lim" or others?

 

[JacksBratt]

Check this.. The first guy's name, backwards is A DEMON IM Spelled Mi MONEDA

 

[Aussie Pete]

The Bible has many examples of people other than Jesus doing things that are seeming not possible today. Why is that do you think?

It's more prevalent than you realise. It's less so in the Western world which is "rational" and "logical" so supposedly rejects magic. In many cultures, the witchdoctor has genuine (demonic) powers, as many missionaries will attest. I met someone who was fed up with her husband, so she put a curse on him and he died. She was completely matter of fact and without conscience about it.

Muslims chant Antichrist and anti western prayers in their meetings, even while saying that they want to be a part of the society in which they live. Satan and God both need the cooperation of man to get their will done. The growth of Islam and the more militant Hinduism matches the decline of the church. When Christians become complacent, there is less opposition to the devil and he is more able to work.

During the time of what is known as the Toronto Blessing, there were many supernatural signs. People with auras, and people with fire around their hands. Many testified to being picked up and thrown or held down by a powerful force. I can assure you that it was not God. I advise people to go through their Bible and delete the word "supernatural". It easy, because there is no such word in the Bible. "Supernatural" is the realm of the occult, not God, who is Spirit.

 

[DennisTate]

The Bible has many examples of people other than Jesus doing things that are seeming not possible today. Why is that do you think?

Good question.... I would suggest Goggling the name Evangelist John Ramirez if you don't mind finding the rather scary aspect to the answer to this.

This will get you started:


JOHN'S BIOGRAPHY

 

[JacksBratt]

It's more prevalent than you realise. It's less so in the Western world which is "rational" and "logical" so supposedly rejects magic. In many cultures, the witchdoctor has genuine (demonic) powers, as many missionaries will attest. I met someone who was fed up with her husband, so she put a curse on him and he died. She was completely matter of fact and without conscience about it.

Muslims chant Antichrist and anti western prayers in their meetings, even while saying that they want to be a part of the society in which they live. Satan and God both need the cooperation of man to get their will done. The growth of Islam and the more militant Hinduism matches the decline of the church. When Christians become complacent, there is less opposition to the devil and he is more able to work.

During the time of what is known as the Toronto Blessing, there were many supernatural signs. People with auras, and people with fire around their hands. Many testified to being picked up and thrown or held down by a powerful force. I can assure you that it was not God. I advise people to go through their Bible and delete the word "supernatural". It easy, because there is no such word in the Bible. "Supernatural" is the realm of the occult, not God, who is Spirit.

I agree.. It is very real... It is our naivety and ignorance that works against us.. So many "doubting Thomas's.

A good book to read, that is very real.. Is Prince of Vodou, Breaking the Chains by Heather Rae Rodin....

 

[Kaon]

Check this.. The first guy's name, backwards is A DEMON IM Spelled Mi MONEDA

This is either incredibly precise stage magic (which is entirely possible), or he is getting help.

When camera slow-mo/frame-by-frame cannot explain the trick (i.e. a glass object moves 3 m in 1 frame = 22 mph), then there is likely some outside help.

I would definitely say they are getting most of their magick from other entities - the instablity (vibration/destabilization of levitation) is an interesting facet.

 

[DennisTate]

I actually got a discussion going on Evangelist John Ramirez and I deliberately put it in the Conspiracy Theories section although.... I do suspect it might have been allowed in Controversial Christian Theology...... but better to take the lower seat at first... and later be invited upward........

Personally... I think from what I have read on this topic that he is being truthful... but what he reports is nothing short of shocking..... and scary!!!!!

Can some people astral project and put curses on people?

 

[DennisTate]

Jesus had NOTHING to do with magic, sorcery & witchcraft! It is condemned in the Bible. But He DID do miracles & healings & casting out demons from people by the power of the Holy Spirit.

One must remember that Jesus' & the apostles' ministry for three years was in the Middle East only. It spread further into Europe & Asia through Paul's missionary journeys.

Today it is being done but not so as to be noticed as much, much of it in third world countries by missionaries. You might read true stories, for example, at the 'Jesus Film Project' in many third world countries.

Following Jesus (India) -

Jesus Film - and report of miracles

"JESUS" goes to Guatemala .....

THE JESUS FILM PROJECT

Jesus Film Project

Then again..... the near death experience account of Mr. Dean Braxton and specifically the way that his wife prayed for him....... and kept people out of the room he was in who lacked faith is an impressive example of a modern day miracle from God...... in my opinion anyway.

 

[dqhall]

The Bible has many examples of people other than Jesus doing things that are seeming not possible today. Why is that do you think?

I used to read Guideposts Magazine. There were written testimonies of modern miracles in the periodical. Magic is different. Magic is a trick of illusion.

During the days when Jesus walked in Israel, there were people who had heard about miracles, but had not seen them.

Luke 23 (WEB)
8 Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad, for he had wanted to see him for a long time, because he had heard many things about him. He hoped to see some miracle done by him. 9 He questioned him with many words, but he gave no answers. 10 The chief priests and the scribes stood, vehemently accusing him.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Some theorize that magic is a non-renewable natural resource, now largely depleted.

 

[HARK!]

Satan was not cast out of heaven and defeated before Jesus' victory, so he had more power.

According to John, Satan won't be cast out until after the Two Witnesses have come. See Revelation chapters 11 and 12.