Question On Spirit's

[BelieveItOarKnot]

“Did not my spirit go with you when the man got down from his chariot to meet you? 2 Kings 5:26
Please read 2 Kings 5:24-27

How did Elijah know where his attendant went, and what he did? Was Elijah there in spirit? Did Elijah have an "open window view" to the scene?
The reading suggest these possibilities.

Do you the same happens today?
Can people be given open windows to scenes of other people's life, activities, etc.?
Has anyone ever had a personal experience, or spoken to someone who related seeing beyond physical barriers... in other words, seeing persons from another "room" which is outside the scope of physical vision?

Do you believe that is possible?
See Clairvoyance

Scripture shows us it can work both ways. ALL of the O.T. prophets were not only involved with heavenly visions, but were also quite personally engaged with their own troubles with our adversary. One of the principles of this are the episodes of falling down, sleep, or various types of submissions immediately prior to receiving heavenly engagements, which is in fact their own spirit of disobedience they are bound with in the flesh being put down so the child of God can hear. Same things happen on a smaller scale when people are born again. The door opens a crack wide enough by pushing those spirits of disobedience aside, in order for the child of God to hear, but all that is only by God's Directive.

It's not always and only a pleasure to hear from God/His Word. Actual engagements can bring on a flood of ill after effects because that person is launched into unseen battles themselves, as God brings His Will against their built in resistance. Paul speaks directly to these matters extensively, and even personally. But even though it's plain as day to read/see/hear most people still miss the pictures. Internal deafness/blindness from spirits of disobedience still rules, even more so in people who think 'they're all that.' It's termed lying hypocrisy of the pseudo religious and Jesus put forth His Most Vehement Statements of RESISTANCE to these people, because, cough cough, they were under direct influences of the devil and his own. YET the high priest could still prophesy correctly. And not get it besides.

God is also quite involved to this day with actually giving people delusions and fears. So it's not always and only just demonic agencies fooling people. It's also God fooling THEM. Vicious little brew, ain't it? It can give you a very healthy respect and fear of the Lord, once seen.

Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

IT pays to remember whenever scripture engages any person in the entire Bible it is not only an individual person, but also the various spirits of disobedience that ALL are bound with. And God most assuredly still brings evil upon us all in open resistance to them. It is those spirits of disobedience that is the cause of all our trials and tribulations that everyone experiences in this present life. And there is no way to "out fox" God on these matters, though many try

IF a person can't say they have a spirit of disobedience in their own flesh that is not them, they actually remain under the blinding influences of that agency, not themselves, and they simply can not speak truthfully, no matter what.

 

[bèlla]

What about the vision of the transfiguration... how do you figure that happen?

I don’t know and I’ve never given it much thought in all truth. Some questions come at different points in our lives.

It needed to be real, so that rules out telepathy.
Telling Jesus to jump and God will rescue him, would not be a temptation, if it's only in one's head.

Responding at all is the temptation.

I believe it's important to know.
I don't think a lot of people are aware of the level of demonic practice in this world.
Aside from being in things like astrology, it's in a great percentage of music, movies... not to mention reading material.
Lot's of people are opened to this stuff, with more than passing curiosity.

This is one of the reasons I study symbols and delve into topics beyond the surface. And I think that’s fine if you’re mature and want to go down that rabbit hole. But it can be a snare for others and some haven’t reached the point where separation is desirable. They have to come to that point on their own.

~bella

 

[CoreyD]

From my experience, it's normally a predictive bit of information being shown me. It has an informative sort of aspect associated with it. In other words, GOD is cluing me into something trying to happen or currently happening with me.

They are very similar to dreams, but I think visions are more of a "for the moment" type revealing whereas information in dreams can be way more long term, taking years to be fulfilled.

GOD utilizes dreams with me way more than visions, but either has GOD providing us information from His storehouse of knowledge.

When Elijah talked about "didn't my spirit go with you when the man got down from his chariot,..." it immediately reminded me of how GOD can have me watching me in a dream doing something or having something happen around me. It's like a quick movie or picture show from GOD revealing something going to happen, and I just happen to be one of the characters in that movie I'm watching.

That's about the best way for me to explain it.

Thanks.
Since we are on this topic, we might as well go all the way.
Since you have experienced spirits communicating with you, and we know without any doubt that wicked spirits do communicate with people to mislead them, of course, oftentimes into thinking that God is with them... we know they are deceivers and liars... what scriptural reason(s) do you have for believing that God communicates with you in this way, since he says through his servants, what form of communication he does use, and does not use, currently? Hebrews 1:1-3
What would make a person so special as to have God bypass his chosen means of communication, to treat that one like Moses?

 

[CoreyD]

I don’t know and I’ve never given it much thought in all truth. Some questions come at different points in our lives.

Think of it in the way you mentioned.
A dimension that the human cannot enter, but can see, and what is seen is as if one is actually in the scene, because it's like a life size big screen TV with no borders.

Hollywood portrays it when they show a portal open up, only, there is a blue aura around the scene so the viewer knows it's looking into another dimension.
In a vision, there is no aura.

That's how I envision visions.
I can understand why Peter thought he was in a real scene. Luke 9:33

Responding at all is the temptation.

We disagree here, because the Devil tempted Jesus with what was reality.
He used the scriptures to say to Jesus that the words at Psalm 91:11, 12, would be fulfilled, by Jesus doing what he asked.
We can't agree on everything, so that's no problem.

This is one of the reasons I study symbols and delve into topics beyond the surface. And I think that’s fine if you’re mature and want to go down that rabbit hole. But it can be a snare for others and some haven’t reached the point where separation is desirable. They have to come to that point on their own.

~bella

When you say "study" symbols, and "delve into", I hope you don't mean you study their literature, or anything like that.
I believe, getting to know what's going on, is as simple as paying attention to those things... such as information that are put out there for everyone's knowledge, and not ignoring it.

For example, we read about the use of, and danger of using tarot cards.
Some people ignore that information, rather than researching the subject.
When we do research on what people are saying, we are educating ourselves - getting to know.

 

[ARBITER01]

Thanks.
Since we are on this topic, we might as well go all the way.
Since you have experienced spirits communicating with you,

Did I make mention of any such thing?

 

[CoreyD]

Did I make mention of any such thing?

You did, yes.
Normally when GOD gives me a sort of predictive dream I see myself in it
From my experience, it's normally a predictive bit of information being shown me... it immediately reminded me of how GOD can have me watching me in a dream doing something or having something happen around me. It's like a quick movie or picture show from GOD revealing something going to happen, and I just happen to be one of the characters in that movie I'm watching.
God is spirit, so the question is relevant.

 

[ARBITER01]

You did, yes.
Normally when GOD gives me a sort of predictive dream I see myself in it
From my experience, it's normally a predictive bit of information being shown me... it immediately reminded me of how GOD can have me watching me in a dream doing something or having something happen around me. It's like a quick movie or picture show from GOD revealing something going to happen, and I just happen to be one of the characters in that movie I'm watching.
God is spirit, so the question is relevant.

Incorrect.

You said spirit(S) I don't have communication with spirits.

 

[CoreyD]

Incorrect.

You said spirit(S) I don't have communication with spirits.

Correction.
Since you have said you experienced God communicating with you, and we know without any doubt that wicked spirits do communicate with people to mislead them, of course, oftentimes into thinking that God is communicating with them... we know they are deceivers and liars... what scriptural reason(s) do you have for believing that God communicates with you in this way, since he says through his servants, what form of communication he does use, and does not use, currently? Hebrews 1:1-3
What would make a person so special as to have God bypass his chosen means of communication, to treat that one like Moses?

 

[ARBITER01]

what scriptural reason(s) do you have for believing that God communicates with you in this way, since he says through his servants, what form of communication he does use, and does not use, currently? Hebrews 1:1-3

Pleases explain what you mean about "what form of communication."

From what I can tell, you are asking me questions with preconceived ideas that I need to understand first.

 

[CoreyD]

Pleases explain what you mean about "what form of communication."

From what I can tell, you are asking me questions with preconceived ideas that I need to understand first.

Whatever form of communication you see Hebrews 1:1, 2 referring to, you can feel free to answer the question from that. I left it open to you.

 

[ARBITER01]

Whatever form of communication you see Hebrews 1:1, 2 referring to, you can feel free to answer the question from that. I left it open to you.

As born again Christians, we have communication with the triune Godhead at any point, all three can communicate with us every day if they want.

You made this statement though,....

What would make a person so special as to have God bypass his chosen means of communication, to treat that one like Moses?

Hence why I was asking you about what you meant when you said "chosen means of communication." Since my born from above experience in January of 1992, I've had various moments over the years where the Godhead has spoken to me in various ways. I don't consider that to be special since it is no different from any of the apostles or even Jesus when He was upon the earth.

I do hope that we can get back to the topic at some point instead of this being about me.

 

[bèlla]

Hollywood portrays it when they show a portal open up, only, there is a blue aura around the scene so the viewer knows it's looking into another dimension.
In a vision, there is no aura.

I’m consciously aware that portals exist in the natural and spiritual and there’s numerous ones around the world. I’m equally aware that some places are more spiritually charged than others based on their position on the ley lines. But why do I need to contemplate the other? It is of no use to me at the moment and I don’t fill my mind with facts haphazardly. That time is better spent on what’s necessary for the moment and the near future.

When you say "study" symbols, and "delve into", I hope you don't mean you study their literature, or anything like that.
I believe, getting to know what's going on, is as simple as paying attention to those things... such as information that are put out there for everyone's knowledge, and not ignoring it.

I’ve studied many religions over the years and that isn’t one and the same with practice. My actions are a reflection of the things I need to know to fulfill my purpose and navigate disinformation in the media. No two assignments are the same nor should we expect others to live as we do.

For example, we read about the use of, and danger of using tarot cards.
Some people ignore that information, rather than researching the subject.
When we do research on what people are saying, we are educating ourselves - getting to know.

No one uses tarot cards for research alone. No more than they read their horoscopes out of curiosity. They’re looking for answers and relying on tools to receive them. That isn’t necessary if you can hear from the spirit realm. Whether you’re talking to God or another. The greater issue is an inability hear. That’s what makes them dependent on divination and outside perspectives. Thry can’t get a word on their own.

~bella

 

[CoreyD]

As born again Christians, we have communication with the triune Godhead at any point, all three can communicate with us every day if they want.

You made this statement though,....

What would make a person so special as to have God bypass his chosen means of communication, to treat that one like Moses?

Hence why I was asking you about what you meant when you said "chosen means of communication." Since my born from above experience in January of 1992, I've had various moments over the years where the Godhead has spoken to me in various ways. I don't consider that to be special since it is no different from any of the apostles or even Jesus when He was upon the earth.

I do hope that we can get back to the topic at some point instead of this being about me.

Are you of the view that something is about you, when it involves what the scriptures say, as opposed to what you say?
In such a case, would the topic of the OP not become a non Biblical one, where it loses its purpose of being opened to Christian members only?

If you would rather not be faced with scriptures that challenge your view, and that makes you uncomfortable, then it might be better for you not to respond to the thread, since the questions...

• Do you [believe] the same happens today?
• Can people be given open windows to scenes of other people's life, activities, etc.?
• Has anyone ever had a personal experience, or spoken to someone who related seeing beyond physical barriers... in other words, seeing persons from another "room" which is outside the scope of physical vision?
• Do you believe that is possible?

...are not limited to whatever answer is given, is acceptable, and we will just close the discussion, and the thread at that point. Or, whatever a poster says, we will just says 'yes, okay', and the poster can go ahead and tell us what is and what is not.

That's not how any debate goes, on any of the forums opened for discussion.
All of them have challenges to posters' input.
This is no different.

 

[CoreyD]

I’m consciously aware that portals exist in the natural and spiritual and there’s numerous ones around the world. I’m equally aware that some places are more spiritually charged than others based on their position on the ley lines. But why do I need to contemplate the other? It is of no use to me at the moment and I don’t fill my mind with facts haphazardly. That time is better spent on what’s necessary for the moment and the near future.



I’ve studied many religions over the years and that isn’t one and the same with practice. My actions are a reflection of the things I need to know to fulfill my purpose and navigate disinformation in the media. No two assignments are the same nor should we expect others to live as we do.



No one uses tarot cards for research alone. No more than they read their horoscopes out of curiosity. They’re looking for answers and relying on tools to receive them.

Okay. Thanks.

That isn’t necessary if you can hear from the spirit realm. Whether you’re talking to God or another. The greater issue is an inability hear. That’s what makes them dependent on divination and outside perspectives. Thry can’t get a word on their own.

~bella

So, you believe what is mentioned in the OP does happen. Thanks.

 

[ARBITER01]

Are you of the view that something is about you, when it involves what the scriptures say, as opposed to what you say?
In such a case, would the topic of the OP not become a non Biblical one, where it loses its purpose of being opened to Christian members only?

If you would rather not be faced with scriptures that challenge your view, and that makes you uncomfortable, then it might be better for you not to respond to the thread, since the questions...

• Do you [believe] the same happens today?
• Can people be given open windows to scenes of other people's life, activities, etc.?
• Has anyone ever had a personal experience, or spoken to someone who related seeing beyond physical barriers... in other words, seeing persons from another "room" which is outside the scope of physical vision?
• Do you believe that is possible?

...are not limited to whatever answer is given, is acceptable, and we will just close the discussion, and the thread at that point. Or, whatever a poster says, we will just says 'yes, okay', and the poster can go ahead and tell us what is and what is not.

That's not how any debate goes, on any of the forums opened for discussion.
All of them have challenges to posters' input.
This is no different.

I'm not understanding what your question or statement is.

 

[CoreyD]

I'm not understanding what your question or statement is.

Sorry. That's okay. No problem.