"What Happend to Her Husband?"

[rambot]

FWIW, it was only half of them.

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.

LOL! It's a straaaaaange thread where Trump being awful gets blamed on his critics. And they won't have a problem with it.

 

[rambot]

FYI...the OTHER half of the basket:

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

Back then I would have gone for half. Now I'd say this group is closer to 30%.

 

[rambot]

"Grooming" is purposely misconstrued as grooming a child to be sexually abused, when the term is being used in reference to ideological indoctrination.

Well it is the legal term. In my previous line of work, I've worked with quite a few 12-15 year old girls who were groomed into being sex workers.

Pigeon holing it into only "ideological indoctrination" was the newest of possible definitions as I had never heard to it referred to it as such at that time.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Insulting US troops deployed overseas and encouraging Russia to attack NATO.

Could we dig up Jo McCarthy and get him to sort this out? After all, he was at least a Republican who knew how to deal with Russian sympathisers and other un-American activities.

 

[BCP1928]

FYI...the OTHER half of the basket:

Back then I would have gone for half. Now I'd say this group is closer to 30%.

Doesn't matter--the Democrats have grown far too elite and fastidious to want to appeal to people like that. What this country needs is an actual labor party.

 

[ozso]

Yup. Nothing wrong with comparing desperate people to slimy parasites.

Yeah but a lot aren't desperate the way you're putting it. That's why the vetting process is needed.

Which one do you want? The one from Hitler or the one from Trump?

Trump of course. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[ozso]

Well, except when trans people were grooming children to hurt and abuse them. Heard that a bunch.

Then it shouldn't be hard to produce one example.

But Democrats are the Nazis of course right?


Because NOTHING says Nazis like supporting transgender youth, accepting immigrants and valuing diversity.

Yeah it's pretty strange they virtue signal over them while rabidly debasing a large segment of society. Kinda makes the former look a bit phony.

 

[ozso]

Wait, you think it's libs who are purposefully misconstruing the definition of that word? Am I understanding you correctly?

Yep.

 

[ozso]

Sigh.

The problem is you are not addressing it.

Maybe to you but not to me. I have no interest in joining the echo chamber.

1. Honestly, if you can't even identify them on your own, that is ALSO a problem.

2. I've listed them twice in this thread,

3. Remember how we complain about his actions? Those ones.

Total evasion as expected.

To some extent, I'd agree, but not quite. Trump is malignant, I just disagree with Republicans.

Ok.

 

[Belk]

Yeah but a lot aren't desperate the way you're putting it. That's why the vetting process is needed.

I guess that makes comparing them to slimy parasites OK.

Trump of course. But I'm not holding my breath.

Apparently I was mistaken. He said immigrants were "poisoning the blood of our country". It was the left he called "vermin".

“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections,”

 

[ozso]

I guess that makes comparing them to slimy parasites OK.

Who's saying "slimy parasites"?

Apparently I was mistaken. He said immigrants were "poisoning the blood of our country".

That was in reference to millions of unchecked unhindered people pouring into the country illegally. Actual immigrants go though a process.

It was the left he called "vermin".

“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections,”

The entire left or just communists, marxists, fascists and radical thugs? Whatever the case, thanks for providing a legit example.

 

[Belk]

Who's saying "slimy parasites"?

The ones calling them leeches.

That was in reference to millions of unchecked unhindered people pouring into the country illegally.

Why does that make it acceptable?

Actual immigrants go though a process.

The 3% who manage the second toughest immigration process in the world, yes.

The entire left or just communists, marxists, fascists and radical thugs?

Trump is not someone who strikes me as a person making finely graded distinctions,

Whatever the case, thanks for providing a legit example.

You are welcome.

 

[ozso]

The ones calling them leeches.

Why does that make it acceptable?

The 3% who manage the second toughest immigration process in the world, yes.

Trump is not someone who strikes me as a person making finely graded distinctions,


You are welcome.

How did you come with that only 3% of immigrants are in the US legally?

I've heard Bill Clinton and Obama make speeches about needing strong borders and immigration control and making it stronger, with lots of democrats applauding.

It was only after Trump actually got proactive about it, that it became a bad thing.

 

[BCP1928]

How did you come with that only 3% of immigrants are in the US legally?

I've heard Bill Clinton and Obama make speeches about needing strong borders and immigration control and making it stronger, with lots of democrats applauding.

It was only after Trump actually got proactive about it, that it became a bad thing.

That's because Democrats, like Clinton and Obama, are actually pretty much generally in favor of strong borders. The controversy came with caravans of asylum seekers. They didn't try to sneak in and weren't immediately expelled when arrested.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

It was only after Trump actually got proactive about it, that it became a bad thing.

Specifically, it was the ways that Trump wanted to address it, and the language that he used when talking about immigrants, that soured Democrats on the idea. The insistence on building a wall across the *entire* border, even in places where it made no sense or would have to be positioned miles into US territory (effectively ceding land - owned by American citizens - to Mexico), and the doubling down when these issues were pointed out. The insistence that Mexico would pay for it. The continued demonization and othering of immigrants. That was why it became a "bad thing".

 

[rambot]

Doesn't matter--the Democrats have grown far too elite and fastidious to want to appeal to people like that. What this country needs is an actual labor party.

If BOTH the "Extreme" ends of the current parties branched out, I think elections would be healthier.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I've heard Bill Clinton and Obama make speeches about needing strong borders and immigration control and making it stronger, with lots of democrats applauding.

It was only after Trump actually got proactive about it, that it became a bad thing.

Specifically, it was the ways that Trump wanted to address it, and the language that he used when talking about immigrants, that soured Democrats on the idea. The insistence on building a wall across the *entire* border, even in places where it made no sense or would have to be positioned miles into US territory (effectively ceding land - owned by American citizens - to Mexico), and the doubling down when these issues were pointed out. The insistence that Mexico would pay for it. The continued demonization and othering of immigrants. That was why it became a "bad thing".

There's always been a degree of vindictiveness and xenophobia manifest in portions of the right with respect to immigration, but prior to Trump, it hadn't been that overt and it hadn't been promoted from the executive branch, so it was easier to overlook. One could be on the left and not worry so much about being associated with or validating those guys.

 

[durangodawood]

It was only after Trump actually got proactive about it, that it became a bad thing.

When Trump implied that Mexican immigrants were mainly rapists etc, it made it more difficult for many people to get on board with him, understandably.

It also made it sound like he was deliberately (and dishonorably) overstating the problem and whatever he said about the issue should simply not be taken seriously.

 

[Belk]

How did you come with that only 3% of immigrants are in the US legally?

That is the amount of applicants who get through the process each year.

I've heard Bill Clinton and Obama make speeches about needing strong borders and immigration control and making it stronger, with lots of democrats applauding.

Because those are true statements. The idea that people believe we need "Open borders" is a fabrication.

It was only after Trump actually got proactive about it, that it became a bad thing.

No. There has long been disagreement about how we handle immigration. I remember the acrimony back when Reagan was dealing with it.

 

[ozso]

When Trump implied that Mexican immigrants were mainly rapists etc, it made it more difficult for many people to get on board with him, understandably.

That's not what he said. That's a prime example of leftwing media lying about things Trump says. He said Mexico is sending us their rapists, murderers etc. to get rid of them. The left purposely misconstrued "their" as "they're" as in they are.

It also made it sound like he was deliberately (and dishonorably) overstating the problem and whatever he said about the issue should simply not be taken seriously.

And now it seems they're realizing their mistake.