What fulfils the function of "preservation" - within Evolutionary theory?

[Subduction Zone]

Sure.

Do you think that you can learn what is and what is not evidence? There are Christians that understand the concept.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you think that you can learn what is and what is not evidence? There are Christians that understand the concept.

Each person decides that for themselves.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Each person decides that for themselves.

Sorry, but that leads all to often to a faulty concept of evidence.

Do you want to know true things or false things? If you want to know true things then you need a rational form of evidence.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sorry, but that leads all to often to a faulty concept of evidence. Do you want to know true things or false things? If you want to know true things then you need a rational form of evidence.

So I should rely on other people to decide what is evidence for me.
Isn't that what you are opposed to?

 

[Gottservant]

Jesus talked about preservation.

He said "You are your own preservation, don't let your preservation be watered down"

It would be smart of you, to learn from this.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Jesus talked about preservation.

He said "You are your own preservation, don't let your preservation be watered down"

It would be smart of you, to learn from this.

That has nothing to do with evolution.

 

[Gottservant]

That has nothing to do with evolution.

Sure it does.

Discovering it doesn't immediately mean it is preserved.

If it was real, preserving it even when it hadn't been discovered, would be a thing?

 

[Gottservant]

It's no good you saying, "selecting preserves what it selects".

That doesn't follow.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sure it does.

Discovering it doesn't immediately mean it is preserved.

If it was real, preserving it even when it hadn't been discovered, would be a thing?

No, it doesn't. Evolution is biological science. When you talk about Jesus, you're talking about religion. Two very different things.

It's no good you saying, "selecting preserves what it selects".

That doesn't follow.

No-one said just 'selecting preserves what it selects'. I said natural selection preserves what mutations are beneficial.

Don't lie about what I said. You do it far too often.

 

[Gottservant]

No, it doesn't. Evolution is biological science. When you talk about Jesus, you're talking about religion. Two very different things.

Words. Jesus had words that were principled. Science has words that are axiomatic. No problem there.

No-one said just 'selecting preserves what it selects'. I said natural selection preserves what mutations are beneficial.

Don't lie about what I said. You do it far too often.

You basically said the same thing twice. And then you complain that I know the difference. Are you sure you want to communicate the benefits of Evolution, to people with a heart open to the extra mile?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Words. Jesus had words that were principled. Science has words that are axiomatic. No problem there.

No, they are two different things, plain and simple. Again, evolution is biological science and talking about Jesus is religion.

You basically said the same thing twice. And then you complain that I know the difference. Are you sure you want to communicate the benefits of Evolution, to people with a heart open to the extra mile?

Yes, I said the same thing twice since you seem to have a massive inability to read simple English, and no, you don't know the difference.

And stop treating evolution like it's something that anyone can control or harness, because it isn't. This has been explained to you by me and many others too many times for ignorance of science to be your problem. Although I will say that you definitely are ignorant of science at its most basic level.

 

[Gottservant]

The alternative would be that you would say "selection preserves mutation" but again, you would have to show how...

(that's all for tonight)

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The alternative would be that you would say "selection preserves mutation" but again, you would have to show how...

(that's all for tonight)

The how is simple.
Beneficial mutations allow a creature to survive and have offspring, thus those mutations are passed on to the offspring and then passed down to the offspring's offspring.

 

[Shemjaza]

The alternative would be that you would say "selection preserves mutation" but again, you would have to show how...

(that's all for tonight)

The phrase "selection preserves mutation" is actually correct.

A mutation that creates an advantage will become more common over the generations... preserved or conserved... and the mechanism that does this is natural selection.

There is no choice, no decision, no morality, no theology and no faith involved.

 

[tas8831]

Please people, stop humoring him.
His threads are monuments to disingenuous behavior and a testament to the harm religion can do to one's mind.
Replying to him seriously just makes him think his tactic is working.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Jesus talked about preservation.

He said "You are your own preservation, don't let your preservation be watered down"

It would be smart of you, to learn from this.

Citation? Where is this quote documented?

 

[Gottservant]

Citation? Where is this quote documented?

Matthew 5:13 "you are the salt of the earth"

salt is preservation, we are encouraged to preserve what we can in Heaven (Matthew 6:20)

If Jesus says "we are preservation", how can then Evolution say "preservation is a biological function"? Without saying in what way?

 

[Gottservant]

The how is simple.
Beneficial mutations allow a creature to survive and have offspring, thus those mutations are passed on to the offspring and then passed down to the offspring's offspring.

Yes but why are they passed down? You act like the offspring know the mutation is for them - that they can preserve it without help?

If you are going to remember something, you need to be taught techniques that help you remember (like the Palace Technique).

I'm not saying the theory of Evolution is "wrong", if it doesn't have a way of preserving what is important - just that a way of preserving should be important.

 

[Gottservant]

The phrase "selection preserves mutation" is actually correct.

A mutation that creates an advantage will become more common over the generations... preserved or conserved... and the mechanism that does this is natural selection.

There is no choice, no decision, no morality, no theology and no faith involved.

Yes but you are saying "selection preserves mutation" by chance, that something mates with another member of the species at random, while preserving anything that leads to its adaptations. How does an organism identify a connection between mutation and adaptation, but not a connection between an adaptation and a mutation?

What mutation does selection preserve - something equally at random? How do you know?

You are aware that a child in the womb starts from scratch, by faith in its parents, that its innocence will not be presumed upon? If you knew what you were preserving, in terms of Evolution, your innocence would be defensible - as it stands you think Evolution is a package deal, with everything necessary built in, not wrong, but not constructive and being against constructive "sin" (sin, that must be corrected).

 

[Gottservant]

If a creature developed a mutation, that saved the lives of its children and another member of the same species, wanted to adapt the same way, the children of the second member would have a chance (if they had not been born yet)?

They (the children of the second member) could achieve the same mutation and adaptation, if it were held in front of them? This is what Jacob did?

What if they (the second member's children) just mirrored the former creature's children, without the mutation? Would they still get the adaptation?