What exactly happens after we die?

[BobRyan]

For the first verse, I think that's referring to the righteous verses the sinner. Sinners are often referred to as dead. So it's the sinners that do not know anything.

The second verse about the dust is referring to the body returning to dust and the spirit going to be with God.

Would you mind quoting the text to show where it says only the lost 'know nothing' while they are dead?

Meanwhile 1 Thess 4 "the dead in Christ shall rise first" and 1 Cor 15 "so is the resurrection of the dead" speaking of the saints.

 

[BobRyan]

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

Clearly heaven and paradise are two different places.

Not according to the Bible. In the Bible the "Tree of life is in PARADISE"

Rev 2
7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.’

And the tree of life is where the throne of God is -

Rev 22
Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Christ is the ONLY spirit-Being Who has ascended into heaven, the first time when He was here in the body of Elijah (II Kings 2:11),

2 Kings 2 does not say "Christ was in the body of Elijah" -- as we all know.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Jezmeyah]

What exactly happens after we die?

On one end, people say our souls go to their eternal destination. Heaven or hell.

On the other end, people say that our entirety, our whole being, our "soul" (which is used to refer to the entirety of a person and NOT something separate) goes to sleep in the grave to wake up in the resurrection of the dead, the day when earth will be renewed.

I ask that aside from just picking an answer, you explain why you think so too.

Thank you.

The new testament verse states that the human being is made up of spirit, soul, and body. (see 1 Thes.5:23).
And, that the soul is made up of the mind, the will, and the emotions. Often spoken of as the whole heart (see Ps.138:1; 2 Chron.15:15), in other cases the whole heart also involves the body, as in worship and praise, to lift up one's hands; to dance.

There are verses in the Bible where it specifically talks about the spirit man only (see Rm.7:22), the soul only (see Jam.1:21), and the body only (1 Cor.6:13). Therefore, they are separate yet parts of the whole.

The Bible speaks of the dead as asleep, that is only in regard of how a person looks when dead, they only look like they are sleeping. Except when examined it's realized that they aren't breathing, their heart not pumping, so they are dead. (see John 11:11-14).

The soul does not sleep when the body is dead. The soul is not asleep when a person goes to bed at night. The spirit and soul produces dreams in the night while the body is at rest.

The Bible states in 2 Cor.5:8-9 "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

This is a clear indication that when the body functionings stop, the spirit and soul departs from the body to arise up into heaven. The common phrase of Christians is that the loved one has gone to be with the Lord. The apostle Paul wrote in Eph.3:14 of those of family in heaven and those of family on earth. In Hebrews 12:23 it speaks of the spirits of men made perfect to be residing in heaven.

Then at the rapture and resurrection, those dead bodies in the grave are reunited with their spirit and soul to become glorified (see 1 Thes.4:13-18; 1 Cor.15:50-54) When the spirit departs from the body, the spirit-person has a spirit body that looks exactly like their physical body, including clothing.

The believers are likened to Jesus when he had been raised from the dead and glorified (1 Pet.1:21).

Any doctrine that states that there is soul sleep which requires at death that the soul remain with the dead body, has to fallaciously ignore these verses of scripture which don't support that doctrine.

 

[BobRyan]

In Luke 16's story, notice that the rich man died and was in hell when he opened his eyes. but what about Lazarus?
never even got to the point of him being buried - as he had been
carried by the angels to a new place
Abraham's bosom

A truly interesting parable with prayers to the dead and Abraham instead of God being prayed to as sovereign of all the saints that have died.

 

[BobRyan]

1 Thessalonians 4:14 shows that Jesus Christ will bring those "which sleep
in Jesus" with Him.
Their souls come from heaven, not the grave.

And in heaven - they "sleep in Jesus" and designated in 1Thess 4 as "the dead in Christ"

 

[BobRyan]

When the spirit departs from the body, the spirit-person has a spirit body that looks exactly like their physical body, including clothing.
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No text actually says that about those who are "'the dead in Christ" of 1Thess 4 "asleep in Jesus" -- but it is certainly an interesting statement.

 

[BobRyan]

The Bible states in 2 Cor.5:8-9 "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

No text actually says that. But that loose paraphrase you suggest above is still pretty interesting.

John 11 "Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake HIM".

1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Proof via inescapable logic - of the future resurrection to a hostile audience -

Matt 22
29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together.

Careful about that 1 Thess 4 text quoted above -- very often the mere quote of the text is sufficient cause to give rise to strong objection to it.

Any doctrine that states that there is soul sleep which requires at death that the soul remain with the dead body, has to fallaciously ignore these verses of scripture which don't support that doctrine.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Jezmeyah]

No text actually says that about those who are "'the dead in Christ" of 1Thess 4 "asleep in Jesus" -- but it is certainly an interesting statement.

The apostle Paul stated in 2 Cor.5:3 that we would be clothed and not be naked.

 

[christiansoccerplayer]

What exactly happens after we die?

On one end, people say our souls go to their eternal destination. Heaven or hell.

On the other end, people say that our entirety, our whole being, our "soul" (which is used to refer to the entirety of a person and NOT something separate) goes to sleep in the grave to wake up in the resurrection of the dead, the day when earth will be renewed.



I ask that aside from just picking an answer, you explain why you think so too.

Thank you.

my simple belief: the soul, upon death, goes into either the presence of God (Paradise/Heaven) if they sincerely believed in Jesus to save them from sin at any time prior to their death or into torment (Hades) if they did not accept Jesus as Savior. At the time the Rapture occurs (Pre-Trib for this explanation), Jesus brings the souls of all believers who died prior to the Rapture and reunites them with their bodies, changing them from mortal to immortal (resurrection) they rise and behind them will be all of the believers still alive at the time of the Rapture and their bodies are changed from mortal to immortal. Both groups will meet up with Jesus in the air and all will go to Heaven 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.
The souls of the non-believers will not be resurrected until the end of the 1000 year Millenial Kingdom which will have started shortly after the Second Coming of Christ to the Earth. They will be formally sentenced at the Great White Throne Judgement and cast into the lake of fire.

 

[BobRyan]

The apostle Paul stated in 2 Cor.5:3 that we would be clothed and not be naked.

Amen!

In 2 Cor 5 there are 3 states of mankind discussed.

1. Clothed in this earthly body - decaying tent
2. Unclothed - having no body at all
3. Clothed with immortal eternal body.

In 1 Cor 15 - Paul discusses at length the point at which we receive immortal eternal bodies - at the resurrection. At the 2nd coming.

 

[BobRyan]

my simple belief: the soul, upon death, goes into either the presence of God (Paradise/Heaven) if they sincerely believed in Jesus to save them from sin at any time prior to their death or into torment (Hades) if they did not accept Jesus as Savior

A lot of people believe that.

1 Thess 4 points out the the "dead in Christ" are those who have "fallen asleep in Jesus" and it is a funeral sermon saying that they along with the "those who are alive and remain" will be "with the Lord" at the 2nd coming. It is specifically the hope that is offered by Paul for the loved one that has fallen asleep in Jesus.

At the time of the 2nd coming - the rapture occurs as we see in 1Thess 4 and in Matt 24 "immediately after the tribulation of those days...he shall send forth His angels to gather the elect from the 4 winds of heaven".

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


. At the time the Rapture occurs (Post-Trib for this explanation), Jesus brings the dormant souls of all believers who are called "the dead in Christ" in 1 Thess 4 - those who have died prior to the second-coming Rapture and reunites them with newly created immortal bodies.

They rise and behind them will be all of the believers still alive at the time of the Rapture and their bodies are changed from mortal to immortal. Both groups will meet up with Jesus in the air and all will go to Heaven 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.

The souls of the non-believers will not be resurrected until the end of the 1000 year Millennium (which will be the 2nd resurrection) which will have started shortly after the resurrection and rapture at the Second Coming of Christ (also called the "First resurrection" in Rev 20).

They will be formally sentenced at the Great White Throne Judgement and cast into the lake of fire. (called the 2nd death in Rev 20)

 

[Jezmeyah]

Amen!

In 2 Cor 5 there are 3 states of mankind discussed.

1. Clothed in this earthly body - decaying tent
2. Unclothed - having no body at all
3. Clothed with immortal eternal body.

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In 1 Cor 15 - Paul discusses at length the point at which we receive immortal eternal bodies - at the resurrection. At the 2nd coming.

Yes, however, the particular statement I'd made which referenced being clothed, had to do with the spirit man who leaves his body at death to go and be with the Lord in heaven.

At the time of separating from the physical body, the spirit man is of the appearance of a person, looking exactly as that of his physical appearance. There is a definite reason why the Bible uses the words "spirit man".
As such, the spirit of the person who'd died, wears clothing.

Therefore, I was not referring to the time of the rapture, when those righteous spirits who'd been residing in heaven are once again reunited with their dead bodies to become glorified.

 

[Goodbook]

What exactly happens after we die?

On one end, people say our souls go to their eternal destination. Heaven or hell.

On the other end, people say that our entirety, our whole being, our "soul" (which is used to refer to the entirety of a person and NOT something separate) goes to sleep in the grave to wake up in the resurrection of the dead, the day when earth will be renewed.



I ask that aside from just picking an answer, you explain why you think so too.

Thank you.

Well that sounds about right. And it will happen in the twinkling of an eye. See God has His perspective and we on earth have ours. So both are right.

 

[Goodbook]

But, but, what about a body that is cremated? What about a Christian that dies in a fire or explosion?

Bodies that are cremated just become dust that blows away but christians somehoew God oreserves them there arent many believers that are destroyed in this manner...God will preserve their bones somehow. Because iof the living marrow the holy spirit activates which then God clothes with new flesh and sinew. See ezekiel valley of the dry bones.